Why doesnt Zodiark have an Entry in the Codex when Hydaelyn does?

Did they say if they were going to be updating it with slowly over time with past characters or what? Seems like a major oversight unless im just missing something.Or is this just more Hydaelyn bias from the writers its hard to tell at this point.

Who was that again? Thats a very minon character, might just show up as a cliff note about turn tables.

They don't mention Thancred either, even though he appears in the MSQ. From what I can gather, The Unending Codex might serve as an entry point for new players. So rather than filling them with an absurd amount of lore to understand everything before 6.0, they just introduce concepts as they are needed, like characters and concepts.

It's pretty much on a need to know basis, if it's needed to expand on what they are talking about, or to understand the history of the character it will be put in the unending codex to give fresh players who start at 6.1 the chance to catch up.

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Originally Posted by Airget

They don't mention Thancred either, even though he appears in the MSQ. From what I can gather, The Unending Codex might serve as an entry point for new players. So rather than filling them with an absurd amount of lore to understand everything before 6.0, they just introduce concepts as they are needed, like characters and concepts.

It's pretty much on a need to know basis, if it's needed to expand on what they are talking about, or to understand the history of the character it will be put in the unending codex to give fresh players who start at 6.1 the chance to catch up.

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But Zodiark is a core character since the start of the game. They even mention Elidibus this patch as well. Why would he not be featured in it if Hydaelyn is? If neither are going to be huge in the future then what’s the reason for her being in it and not him? Doesn’t make much sense to me and just kind of screams bias, especially since it cuts out how much of the negative stuff she did.

hydaelyn is a sexy crystal mommy and zodiark is exodia's ugly step brother aint nobody got time to look at him

It only updates when they're mentioned in the story from the point at which you get the codex onward. Hydaelyn has been mentioned, Zodiark has not. Although Zodiark is mentioned in "The Reflections" it seems like it follows this strict rule about it needing to be part of a new main story cutscene.

Zodiark is a magical mecha suit with no agency of his own and is more of a plot device than an actual character.

Meanwhile Hydaelyn has been present and active since the first 30 seconds of the 1.0 introduction cutscene.

Can’t speak to why the others are missing though.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

It only updates when they're mentioned in the story from the point at which you get the codex onward. Hydaelyn has been mentioned, Zodiark has not. Although Zodiark is mentioned in "The Reflections" it seems like it follows this strict rule about it needing to be part of a new main story cutscene.

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But Elidibus was mentioned was he not. So why isn’t he in the codex as well?

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

Zodiark is a magical mecha suit with no agency of his own and is more of a plot device than an actual character.

Meanwhile Hydaelyn has been present and active since the first 30 seconds of the 1.0 introduction cutscene.

Can’t speak to why the others are missing though.

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Hydaelyn is a magical mecha suit as well tho, with no agency of her own. Its only because Venat is still in her as the core that she has agency. Zodiark has been present since 2.0...so im not sure where that argument lies? Also, in the end hes the reason why the planet even continues to exist, not Hydaelyn.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Hydaelyn is a magical mecha suit as well tho, with no agency of her own. Its only because Venat is still in her as the core that she has agency. Zodiark has been present since 2.0...so im not sure where that argument lies?

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Hydaelyn and Venat are interchangeable just as Elidibus and Zodiark should have been but we never witnessed in the game a full Zodiark or even a Zodiark with Elidibus at the helm so we just know his ejected, active self, Elidibus. Just like we only knew Venat as “Hydaelyn” until the very end of the game when we met Venat pre-summoning because that’s who we actually interacted with up until that point.

I haven’t started the new MSQ yet so I haven’t seen what the criteria for being included in the codex are but I think you’re making much ado about nothing.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

Hydaelyn and Venat are interchangeable just as Elidibus and Zodiark should have been but we never witnessed in the game a full Zodiark or even a Zodiark with Elidibus at the helm so we just know his ejected, active self, Elidibus. Just like we only knew Venat as “Hydaelyn” until the very end of the game when we met Venat pre-summoning because that’s who we actually interacted with up until that point.

I haven’t started the new MSQ yet so I haven’t seen what the criteria for being included in the codex are but I think you’re making much ado about nothing.

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You can believe what you wish but i’m simply asking why she’s in it while he isn’t. He’s a pivotal part of the games story that people starting in 6.1 should know, again, considering he’s the reason the world even exists in the first place. I suggest you do your msq before commenting on matters that people are talking about in regards to it.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I suggest you do your msq before commenting on matters that people are talking about in regards to it.

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I’m just commenting on your thoughts of Zodiark being an actual character on the same level as Hydaelyn.

Zodiark is only treated as a fully-formed character by the Ascians early on in the game when he was still just a formless “dark god” that was just used as a vague reason why the Ascians were doing bad things that weren’t explained yet. When the veil was lifted (and his story was actually fleshed out), he was used as a plot device for the Ascians to revive and we learned that his heart is actually another Ascian we were already familiar with since ARR. This was taken even further when he’s body-jacked by another Ascian, who doesn’t suddenly become “Zodiark the character”, just “Fancy Dan in a big spooky body”.

Considering Elidibus separated from Zodiark shortly after summoning, a fully-formed Zodiark with agency probably had a shorter shelf-life than Moenbryda and more importantly, was someone we’ve never met. Hydaelyn meanwhile has been around 12000 years and has meaningful interactions with our character.

Personally I’m done with both of them and just want to move onto other things.

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Originally Posted by Airget

They don't mention Thancred either, even though he appears in the MSQ. From what I can gather, The Unending Codex might serve as an entry point for new players. So rather than filling them with an absurd amount of lore to understand everything before 6.0, they just introduce concepts as they are needed, like characters and concepts.

It's pretty much on a need to know basis, if it's needed to expand on what they are talking about, or to understand the history of the character it will be put in the unending codex to give fresh players who start at 6.1 the chance to catch up.

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Have you read some of the entries? It has one on concepts like aether and the First Brood. This isn't intended purely as some "entry point" for new players, and Hydaelyn's entry goes beyond what you'd convey to a "new player" who is unfamiliar with the lore, even expanding on the Convocation and her role within it. Elidibus, who is explicitly mentioned in the MSQ along with the Ascians, is such a key character that his omission alongside Zodiark's should rightfully raise eyebrows. Sure, they can pick and choose, but this isn't really a particularly great argument in response to the OP. Given that her own entry extensively references Zodiark, I'd say an entry for him or Elidibus would be warranted, beyond her own entry which reads like some mesmerised fanboi's hagiography of her.

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Originally Posted by ryouma17

hydaelyn is a sexy crystal mommy and zodiark is exodia's ugly step brother aint nobody got time to look at him

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Yeah, and this guy (who has an entry) is a supermodel:

https://44.media.tumblr.com/0bb0bfdb...1a55cab2c.gifv

But even rabid narcissists can bear the form of "sexy crystal mommy" angels, I suppose.

It reads like an in-universe fanfic. I suppose it's "realistic" in that the victor rewrites history to their liking... brutal.

I would like to think they will just be updating the entries over time, as and when throughout the story, or expand it across side-quests, etc. So it's more just a case of he has yet to be added.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

I’m just commenting on your thoughts of Zodiark being an actual character on the same level as Hydaelyn.

Zodiark is only treated as a fully-formed character by the Ascians early on in the game when he was still just a formless “dark god” that was just used as a vague reason why the Ascians were doing bad things that weren’t explained yet. When the veil was lifted (and his story was actually fleshed out), he was used as a plot device for the Ascians to revive and we learned that his heart is actually another Ascian we were already familiar with since ARR. This was taken even further when he’s body-jacked by another Ascian, who doesn’t suddenly become “Zodiark the character”, just “Fancy Dan in a big spooky body”.

Considering Elidibus separated from Zodiark shortly after summoning, a fully-formed Zodiark with agency probably had a shorter shelf-life than Moenbryda and more importantly, was someone we’ve never met. Hydaelyn meanwhile has been around 12000 years and has meaningful interactions with our character.

Personally I’m done with both of them and just want to move onto other things.

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Right but the entry describes both Venat and Hydaelyn. Venat is someone we’ve only known for a very short time as well. Either way though, both entities like them or hate them are both major major players in the story. The world wouldn’t exist were it not for Zodiark. Just that alone is a pivotal piece of lore. Not to mention the whole bit about him rewriting the laws of creation and all that potentially being undone? That’s extremely important. Elidibus himself has been a major player since ARR as well, so whether you split them or not, one of them should be in the codex. Hell, if we combine venat and hydaelyn and elidibus and zodiark, the latter has had more screentime and development, so that argument kind of goes out the window.Also….Zodiark has been around 12k+ years too. HE WAS LITERALLY CREATED BEFORE HER LOL

Zodiark ended up being such a wet fart in Endwalker that i'm not surprised he's become an afterthought.

He was being piloted by a suicidal madman... but wet fart would be a fitting descriptor for that whole plotline, including the flailing bird girl at the end.

Devs: "Zodiark bad, crystal mommy good. Zodiark no get codex entry."

I assume he'll probably be added to the codex once we figure out what this "other purpose" for the moons of the Source/reflections is because I seriously doubt his residual aether ominously bleeding out of the crater isn't going to end up playing into something sooner or later.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I assume he'll probably be added to the codex once we figure out what this "other purpose" for the moons of the Source/reflections is because I seriously doubt his residual aether ominously bleeding out of the crater isn't going to end up playing into something sooner or later.

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With the way they completely wrote off the garlemald plot threads…i’m not so sure.

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Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto

Devs: "Zodiark bad, crystal mommy good. Zodiark no get codex entry."

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Sadly it seems like this is how they feel despite arguing it’s all grey.