DPS: Hey Yoshi, can we have a tech based DPS?
Yoshi: Of course! Here you go! *Gives Mechanist*
Tanks: Hey Yoshi, can we have a tech based tank?
Yoshi: Of course! Here you go! *Gives Gunbreaker*
Healers: Hey Yoshi, can we have a tech based healer?
Yoshi: Y'all hear summ?
Just another little example of role double standards...
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04-13-2022, 01:03 AMIedarusJust another little example of role double standards...
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04-13-2022, 01:19 AMMikkoAkure
Sage has floating laser guns.
Otherwise, they tried to make a gun-toting chemist 7 years ago and didn’t like how it turned out and salvaged AST and MCH out of it.
Also, not sure how this is “another” example of role double-standards. What ones are there? How is this a double-standard when there was never any promise or male viera-sized effort to get a tech-based class for any of the roles? -
04-13-2022, 01:29 AMCogGirlThis in 10 characters.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikkoAkure
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04-13-2022, 01:36 AMIedarusSage is still magic. The nouliths are just a medium like the other magic jobs. As funny as the meme is, the little crystal thingies are not "guns."Quote:
Originally Posted by MikkoAkure
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04-13-2022, 01:44 AMXireanYou want a healer class that is not magic? That's a new one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iedarus
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04-13-2022, 01:44 AMMikkoAkureIf you wanna go that route, MCH and GNB are also magic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iedarus
Machinist shoots aether condensed in their lunchbox.
Gunbreaker abilities are magical effects caused by pulling the trigger on a sword that has a pistol grip hilt to activate an aether cartridge that has no bullet in it. The questline even makes fun of Garlean gun-swords. -
04-13-2022, 01:51 AMhagare
sage? *shrug*
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04-13-2022, 01:56 AMIedarusMagitech. That's literally what I was referring to. I didn't realize wishing for a job like Chemist would spark so much controversy.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikkoAkure
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04-13-2022, 01:57 AMXireanI wouldn't call this controversy. For a lot of people, Sage is the tech healer. So the suggestion that it isn't just seems odd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iedarus
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04-13-2022, 01:59 AMAcece
Please give me a chemist job se
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04-13-2022, 02:06 AMKizuyaKatogamiOne example i can give is Yoshi P stating he didn’t want to change healers much this patch due to Ultimate being so close, but then goes on to say he’s going to be making somewhat drastic changes to dps but believes the players are competent enough to adapt to the changes before ultimate arrives…. Beyond that, the number of jobs for each role is a pretty big double standard, especially when they say things like they want to appeal to all types of players for each role.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikkoAkure
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04-13-2022, 02:14 AMMikkoAkure
I would’ve preferred chemist, but after they said the mechanic they had for it already got redone into AST’s mechanic and its weapon was given to MCH, I’ve figured that we’re just not going to get it and that SGE is closest we will get to that aesthetic and anything else wouldn’t be the original vision they were looking for.
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04-13-2022, 02:32 AMSenorPatty
That's double standard after the fact and even then, it's purely coincidental. People didn't specifically request tech based jobs, they requested specific jobs.
I wonder how this thread title would've been framed as, if by example, spellblader came in as a tank. -
04-13-2022, 02:41 AMSlickPawsNot gonna lie, that class sounds like it would've been dope.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikkoAkure
Just having mental images of a healer jumping around the place throwing healing potions and strength potions at party members for healing and DPS buffs. They could've had a unique Esuna called Remedy that also threw on some healing or a defensive buff along with it. LB3 could've been a Megalixir.
Great. I'm now hyped over a class that's probably never going to exist. -
04-13-2022, 02:47 AMRonduwilThat's what alchemist is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acece
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04-13-2022, 02:53 AMKayRadleySage uses science, science begets technology. You're just taking the piss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iedarus
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04-13-2022, 03:28 AMPunslinger1. Tank and Healer both spend most of their time DPSing and do most of their role actions off the GCD, but only tanks are allowed to have DPS rotations beyond 21111111 spam.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikkoAkure
2. Square is fine with no-healer runs of difficult content, but throws a fit whenever somebody manages a no-tank run of that same content. Exhibit A: In ARR, SMNs figured out Titan-egi could tank Ramuh EX pretty well, and people did no-tank clears of Ramuh EX. Square didn't just patch that out, they hotfixed it. Meanwhile, P1S and P2S are clearable without healers, as is UcoB.
3. Tanks and Healers have both been passed over twice for new jobs, while DPS has never been skipped - every expansion has gotten at least one new DPS job.
3a. Healers were the only role that was skipped twice in a row: SB and ShB.
4. DPS jobs are allowed to have different play styles and levels of complexity and utility. Tanks and healers are all homogenous - DRK is just a WAR that spent too much time hanging out at Hot Topic, and all four healers play exactly the same: spam your identikit 21111111 DPS "rotation" and mash one of your eleventy oGCDs whenever healing is needed.
5. When DPS jobs are broken, they get major fixes mid-expansion (see: NIN in 5.1). When healer jobs are broken, they get ignored for a minimum of two years (see: WHM lilies in all of Stormblood).
6. DPS and tank questions get honest answers on the Live Letters. Healer questions get ignored, or rephrased and spun, or dismissed out of hand ("gO pLaY uLtImAtE" - Yoshida).
7. Yoshida, an orange-parsing BLM, kicked a just-starting-to-clear-EXs healer out of his playtesting group for being "too good."
8. Yoshida refuses to increase the level of required healing in encounters, and has in fact consistently reduced it every expansion post-HW, because he doesn't want to "stress" healers, but sees no problem with tight DPS checks or mechanics that require tanks to be on point (swaps, shared busters, etc.).