Regarding Garo's event mounts....

I was capable of catching up with the event when it was around. So I'm glad to see it coming back. However, there is but one major issue. So I gave a look at how to obtain the mounts and got downed by one fact, that being I need to at least win 10 PvP matches to actually get one mount and 60 PvP matches in total to get all three mounts.
To some, this may sound okay if not easy. Sure some would find it difficult a bit but no issues. However, I have played around 20 frontline matches, and... well.... matchmaking always throws me at the worst team possible. Out of 20 matches only 3 were won, which means I have to play around 500+ to even have a possibility of winning 60.
What's the solution? Instead of winning. Can it be changed to participating with adjustment to the number? Like instead of winning 60. You get to participate in 120 or 200 to obtain all three mounts.
This should do justice to people like me who're bad lucked enough to be with 23 players who have no idea how to press their keyboard and can't change the course of the battle against a horde of well-coordinated 48 players.
Now before someone jumps in and says: "Well... coordinate your fellows!"
I'd like to say I tried on more than one occasion and it always got the third placement.
So yeah. Please change the winning to participating.

Maybe people will try a bit harder to win? x) There isn't that much incentive to do well atm. With mounts/good rewards on the table people tend to try a bit harder.

Assuming that Crystal Conflict will be the primary source of the currency required for the mounts it shouldn't be too hard. CC matches are 5 minutes long and I'm sure they'll be very very active at the start of the patch and while the event in ongoing.

the wins count from either mode. Back when it was originally live i got most of my wins from the feast (which let you use the same abilities as PVE at the time). the matches were very quick and because of the event (and the feast was new), the queues were very short. I would expect similar from this new mode they're adding tbh.

Winning in frontlines is defo not the smart way to grind this one out - statistically, you have a 66% chance of losing from the offset. At least on the small scale ones, it's 50%

I want the mounts from savage and extreme trials. Can you put them in normal mode?

Please and thank you.

The reality of frontlines is that all 3 teams are generally equally bad because queueing randomly sorts you into 1 of the 3 teams and the largest premade that can queue together is 4 players.

The first time this event was a thing it took wins to get the mounts. I think keeping that requirement is fair, especially when we have a new, short pvp mode incoming.

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Originally Posted by Poporito_Popoto

I want the mounts from savage and extreme trials. Can you put them in normal mode?

Please and thank you.

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Can I get everything including Ultimate rewards by just Logging in every day already? please think about the casual and people who play this game since ARR but can't get good.

If we had reason to think that it was thousands of matches, or if the matchmaking was going to require that pugs were going to queue against pre-mades, i would sympathize, that would be a very poor experience.

However those numbers sound like a very low barrier to getting mounts, I'd even consider raising it. Ten wins is nothing. It isn't meant to be achieved in just a day or so, did you think that it could actually serve as an incentive to improve in PVP as well/ that benefits everyone.

IIRC the original Garo mount achievements didn't need more than 20 or 25 wins for two of them, and the third was 60 total wins across both modes. That is really a low amount of wins for the mounts when you actually are trying to get it

Edit: Correction, it was 30 Feast and 10 Frontline/Rival Wings wins. Still 60 combo for the third

got the three mounts on character i wanted them on last time after the announcement of the event ending was made.
how? i did not even do pvp everyday, but when i sat down to do pvp i always played till i won once, then stopped for the day.
didn't burn out, didn't get frustrated, got the last mount one month away from event going out and actually learned to enjoy feast somewhat at least. only wish i would have had brains to play as tank more :D

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

If we had reason to think that it was thousands of matches, or if the matchmaking was going to require that pugs were going to queue against pre-mades, i would sympathize, that would be a very poor experience.

However those numbers sound like a very low barrier to getting mounts, I'd even consider raising it. Ten wins is nothing. It isn't meant to be achieved in just a day or so, did you think that it could actually serve as an incentive to improve in PVP as well/ that benefits everyone.

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I think it wouldn't serve as an incentive to be third-ranked winner team 80% of the matches. I'm asking to change it to participation in frontlines and keep it the same in other modes.
But then again others are right. Doing frontlines for the event may be indeed a bad idea....

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Originally Posted by Poporito_Popoto

I want the mounts from savage and extreme trials. Can you put them in normal mode?

Please and thank you.

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You can, do Savage and Extremes.
Or wait until it's solo:able.

In all seriousness tho I think rewards for harder content is good, just giving it out to everyone in normal which is essentially just story-mode would be lame as hell.

Here is the best suggestion. Unless they say the event is a short time. If you are having a bad night stop. You can just as easily win 20 in a row as loose 20. If it is a bad night try some other night. Also if possible try not to que at the same time. Only so many people in PvP if you do lots of matches you will notice the same names. WHM can't heal 100k or tank/dps that die 10 times a game. While being awesome 1 million plus healer or 15 plus killing machine helps. If you are getting multiple bad players it is just going to be a frustrating night. And as you get better specially if you are a healer you can carry some scrubs. That depends on new changes though.

When I got the mounts last time I grinded front lines and Rival Wings until 10 wins which took awhile.

Did feast for the rest of them.

I recommend bouncing between the two (crystal conflict replacing feast) if you are doing a long session.

Also not sure if we will allowed to be que as 2 mans in CC. But if we can maybe finding someone who is also interested in trying to win. Same with frontlines. 4 people can't carry a game, but if you 4 play smart and make suggestions it could help. You don't have to be super spammy or anything. Most players don't mean too do bad stuff. Simple reminder, "Ice, Check Map, Too Far, Pinch, Score" And if you already have 4 people doing the right thing it is easier to get the rest to follow.

just let them be obtainable outside of pvp for the love of god

i already got all 3 mounts + all of the titles and i really don't want to go back into frontlines

I grinded it out over the span of about a week when it first went live the first time around. What will help is that there will be a lot of players taking part, which will make things easier (and difficult) at times. Either way, players will get it done if they keep at it. Just...don't sit on it for too long. That's the only thing I would suggest not doing. Hop on the initial hype train and get it done. :p What will probably help too is the new PvP system, provided they allow us to make progress through that. If so, there will be even more players taking part.

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

just let them be obtainable outside of pvp for the love of god

i already got all 3 mounts + all of the titles and i really don't want to go back into frontlines

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If some of the savage mounts could be be obtained from pvp aswell

3 out of 20 though a little low is not bad considering you’re usually working with a random group. The event was designed to be a long term grind. It lasted nearly 3 years. I did it in 2 months, and that is everything. And I’m the worst pvper there is. Well, other than afk-ers, I’m fine if they change it but I think whatever it is should require a similar time investment unless they significantly reduce the time available.

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Originally Posted by Jin-

If some of the savage mounts could be be obtained from pvp aswell

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They should actually make all old expansion mounts available for wolfmarks. They rotate them on moogle event and you can pvp. Also wouldn't mind if all pvp was mgp. If someone would rather gate all day then pvp have at it.

Wait people win these things?

I wouldn't mind the Frontlines mount be turned into just participation instead of winning... Because you kind of need to get about 20 other people who know how to play by pure chance to get the wins... With Crystalline Conflict being 5v5, you can make much more of an impact to your team's chances there so it's not quite as luck based.

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Originally Posted by Juun

Wait people win these things?

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I'm now imagining a Frontline match where all three teams somehow lose.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

I wouldn't mind the Frontlines mount be turned into just participation instead of winning... Because you kind of need to get about 20 other people who know how to play by pure chance to get the wins... With Crystalline Conflict being 5v5, you can make much more of an impact to your team's chances there so it's not quite as luck based.

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I really understand , a lot of people prefer small-scale PVP for that reason- their personal impact means so much more.

But- that change to just showing and getting rewarded for frontlines? Only if it was set to a very high number let's say 500 plus.

Aside from that, let's stick to wins, shall we, so that we don't encourage AFKers, kill trading or any number of people who could grief and expect to get rewarded just by showing up if we had rewards just showing up.

Frontlines is far from perfect, however winning when you have people who are new to PVP, can't read a map, are situationally challenged, etc, can be really rewarding. Sometimes people quit too easily.

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Originally Posted by Irenia

I'm now imagining a Frontline match where all three teams somehow lose.

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I have been in matches where all 3 were equally terrible and it was a toss-up until the very end. lol I'm sure if this was possible, it would be done.

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Originally Posted by Irenia

I'm now imagining a Frontline match where all three teams somehow lose.

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Three way ties happen in shatter. For some stuff they count as win and some stuff losses. It is a weird thing.

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

But- that change to just showing and getting rewarded for frontlines? Only if it was set to a very high number let's say 500 plus.

Aside from that, let's stick to wins, shall we, so that we don't encourage AFKers, kill trading or any number of people who could grief and expect to get rewarded just by showing up if we had rewards just showing up.

Frontlines is far from perfect, however winning when you have people who are new to PVP, can't read a map, are situationally challenged, etc, can be really rewarding. Sometimes people quit too easily.

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On Crystal at least they have several trolls who want match over as soon as possible. They try to feed immediately, not even oh we are down lets get out of here. It is let us just ruin everyones day and not even pretend. If it was particpation and I don't object I would hope it would be closer to 1k matches. If you are so bad you can't get the few wins in 1000 matches you should get the mounts.

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

I was capable of catching up with the event when it was around. So I'm glad to see it coming back. However, there is but one major issue. So I gave a look at how to obtain the mounts and got downed by one fact, that being I need to at least win 10 PvP matches to actually get one mount and 60 PvP matches in total to get all three mounts.
To some, this may sound okay if not easy. Sure some would find it difficult a bit but no issues. However, I have played around 20 frontline matches, and... well.... matchmaking always throws me at the worst team possible. Out of 20 matches only 3 were won, which means I have to play around 500+ to even have a possibility of winning 60.
What's the solution? Instead of winning. Can it be changed to participating with adjustment to the number? Like instead of winning 60. You get to participate in 120 or 200 to obtain all three mounts.
This should do justice to people like me who're bad lucked enough to be with 23 players who have no idea how to press their keyboard and can't change the course of the battle against a horde of well-coordinated 48 players.
Now before someone jumps in and says: "Well... coordinate your fellows!"
I'd like to say I tried on more than one occasion and it always got the third placement.
So yeah. Please change the winning to participating.

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Garo collab lasted a long long time for a reason last time, you should have more than enough time to get the rewards.

No. It’s fine as is. People got them just fine the last time so why is there a issue?

CC matches are 5 minutes long unlike say Frontline, and if its anything like the previous Garo event you have years to do it.

Back when i got the mounts, the only team that ever seemed to win was the Maelstrom. I literally changed my grand company to be in the “winning” team. I have no idea how people are supposed to get enough wins for the grand company mounts.... those need like 200 i think? This is probably why the newer pvp modes were 2 sides instead of 3.... but ive mostly given up on pvp because loosing all the time is not fun.

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Originally Posted by Blindheart

Back when i got the mounts, the only team that ever seemed to win was the Maelstrom. I literally changed my grand company to be in the “winning” team. I have no idea how people are supposed to get enough wins for the grand company mounts.... those need like 200 i think? This is probably why the newer pvp modes were 2 sides instead of 3.... but ive mostly given up on pvp because loosing all the time is not fun.

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I've been doing frontlines for a few weeks now and have over 100 wins and two pvp mounts. I'll keep going for the other mounts and titles. You can be assigned to any of the three companies in frontlines but the win is credited to the GC you joined.

If the event last as long as it did previously, you'll have more than enough time to get everything even if you take multiple break.

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Originally Posted by Syln

If the event last as long as it did previously, you'll have more than enough time to get everything even if you take multiple break.

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I'm going to take a shot in the dark and assume it won't last as long as the last time. If it does, sweet...if it doesn't well, then I will have gotten everything from it since I plan on doing that within the first few weeks/months....though for me that will just entail whatever new stuff the add to it.