Indicator to tell FATE's scaling power

When you farm fates, depending on how many people participate, the FATE in the area will scale up to match. If you solo, normal FATE will take 12 monsters to complete and spawn up to four monsters, and boss FATE should take around 2-3 minutes to beat. If there are two or more people clearing a FATE, the next FATE will start scale up in maximum spawn number, how many to kill to complete the FATE, and monster's health.


So, what is the problem? While monster-killing and object-collecting FATE is easy to tell if they are worth or solo or not by looking at their spawn number, defending and boss FATE doesn't give you that luxury until you engage them. Boss FATE gives you no information about their HP unless you use a plugin to see, so chance it will take 10+ minutes to kill a boss solo cuz it is scaled for three people without you knowing it.



I think there should be an indicator to tell players which power-scaling level a FATE is currently at. One star is the starting level that is suitable for solo. Two-star is scaled for 2 people, which is still solo-able to certain extent. 3-star for 4 people, telling you to steer away from it, and so on.

I think they should scale based on players participating, instead of how many players participated last time. Like, come on, if your going to copy someone elses work, at least don't make it wilfully inferior just to be different.

But it has been years, so we can surmise that it's "working as intended". Ugh...

I support OP's idea actually.

If they can do it on the boss FATEs at the very least, that would be incredibly helpful.

I didn't know that fates scaled. Where did you hear that?

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Originally Posted by Xirean

I didn't know that fates scaled. Where did you hear that?

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They've always done this. If there are a lot of people doing FATEs in the zone, the FATES will scale up in difficulty. It takes them a bit to scale back down when things die down and it's down to just one or two people in the zones.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

They've always done this. If there are a lot of people doing FATEs in the zone, the FATES will scale up in difficulty. It takes them a bit to scale back down when things die down and it's down to just one or two people in the zones.

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Cool, I was moreso asking for a source on it.

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Originally Posted by Xirean

I didn't know that fates scaled. Where did you hear that?

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It's been this way since ARR. It's easily verifiable if you do FATEs near the beginning of an expansion when there's tons of players farming them and watch how long it takes to kill a boss, usually 1-2mins with 20-30 people.
Then you come back during dead hours or later in the expansion when no one's fate farming anymore, despite being solo, it still takes 2-3mins to kill the same boss, despite having 30x less firepower.

Or in gathering fates, near the beginning of an expansion, you can turn in the 7 or so items you need for gold and barely dent 10% of the bar needed to complete the FATE, whereas during dead hours, turning in those same 7 items would complete 30-50% of the bar.

There is no 'official' source for it as its common knowledge at this point that has been confirmed with minor testing plenty of times. They even had to change the code for FATEs in Bozja due to the FATE scaling system code in the backend causing some skirmishes to be nigh uncompleteable due to insane HP scaling with Dyunbu.

Yeah, when I was doing a lot of FATES, there was nothing more frustrating then porting into a new zone, tagging a mob, and realizing I'd have to kill 32 more to finish the FATE on my own. I think the ship has probably sailed on them scaling to the number of people CURRENTLY doing the FATE, but a notice of how difficult it will be would certainly help.

I don't think all fates scale. Some go really quick when people join after all.

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Originally Posted by Misplaced_Marbles

I think they should scale based on players participating, instead of how many players participated last time. Like, come on, if your going to copy someone elses work, at least don't make it wilfully inferior just to be different.

But it has been years, so we can surmise that it's "working as intended". Ugh...

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Basically this.
Its discouraging when FATEs takes long to complete. I'd rather prefer a more dynamic scaling

I WANT this to be something subtle, like a shading. Red for highly scaled, green for underscaled, but there's people for whom that would be unfair.

I'm not sure how you could fix scaling to be honest. If it was scaled to the curent number, then trolls could just slide in, pump up the number, do nothing and force it to fail. As long as it's based on the last time it's completed, it can't be too far off from sanity.

Perhaps a scaling based on how many players are currently on the map?

Honestly, it's probably not even on their radar. FATEs are just another half assed system at this point.

Would I like them to be awesome? Sure, but I'm not holding my breath.

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Originally Posted by deadman1204

I don't think all fates scale. Some go really quick when people join after all.

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Thats not how the scaling works. It reads how many players received exp the last few times it was active and scales up or down with the player count. The only ones that don't are the super world boss fates that have special spawn requirements. The only thing thats scales is hp on boss fates, kill count on multi kill or turn in count on turn ins.

Honestly, i'd be happy if participating rewarding scaled past the gold tier. It doesnt need more visible tiers, but when you hit gold tier it doesn't reward more to keep going and if its scaled much higher than current players its not that rewarding to do it.

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Originally Posted by Xirean

Perhaps a scaling based on how many players are currently on the map?

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oh God no.
That's the worst.
having 100 people on the map and being the only one doing FATE would suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

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Originally Posted by Xirean

I didn't know that fates scaled. Where did you hear that?

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

They've always done this. If there are a lot of people doing FATEs in the zone, the FATES will scale up in difficulty. It takes them a bit to scale back down when things die down and it's down to just one or two people in the zones.

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Originally Posted by Xirean

Cool, I was moreso asking for a source on it.

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Patch 2.1 Notes

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Originally Posted by Patch 2.1 Notes

The following changes have been made to FATEs:

• New FATEs have been added.
• A FATE's difficulty will now be determined by the number of players who participated in the previous [sic]
• Enemies and NPCs which are central to FATE objectives such as Odin and the behemoth will now have the highest display priority.

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It cuts off like that in the patch notes, but it means each FATE remembers the number of people who participated last time that specific FATE popped and scales accordingly.