Give OCE players a free transfer off their dead datacenter.

Please.

As somebody who works a majory of the time, Oceanic is basically unplayable.

I'm paying a sub to sit in limsa watching queues go past the 30 minute mark, or party finders fill up over multiple hours.

Failed experiment is over, let us out.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

Please.

As somebody who works a majory of the time, Oceanic is basically unplayable.

I'm paying a sub to sit in limsa watching queues go past the 30 minute mark, or party finders fill up over multiple hours.

Failed experiment is over, let us out.

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You guys wanted your own DC, now you have to stay on it.

We can only hope it gets populated over time.

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

We can only hope it gets populated over time.

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They need to open up DC travel for OCE 5 servers isn't enough to support the gameplay. 24 man content is extremely hard to get parties for.

But you all asked for OCE data center, so now why you complained it's dead? Clearly you should know how much people gonna play there...

I don't want to say "I could've told you that was going to happen"...buuuuuut, I could've told you that was going to happen.


The EU data center split already caused population issues in ShB, so this was more than expected.

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Originally Posted by Mika_Zahard

You guys wanted your own DC, now you have to stay on it.

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Very helpful mika

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Originally Posted by Minarisweet

Very helpful mika

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I don't think she was trying to help.

The real solution to ease congestion and dead datacenters have always been cross region play xD

OCE player here.
Asking for a free transfer is a bit rich considering you got a free transfer there. If you work majority of the time, surely the $15 to leave isn't a big ask.

Theres only a few weeks to go until the 90 days is up then you can leave with every one else.

I am actually curious why wouldn't SE enable cross region Duty finder? is bandwidth cost the issue?

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Originally Posted by Serious-Cat

I am actually curious why wouldn't SE enable cross region Duty finder? is bandwidth cost the issue?

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It's because the Japanese don't want filthy gaijin messing up their PFs. They can't figure out a way to open cross region for the rest of the world and not Japan without admitting that.

This is a serious reply by the way. Yoshi has said they can do it but they're concerned about cultural differences.

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Originally Posted by Tigerlilley

It's because the Japanese don't want filthy gaijin messing up their PFs. They can't figure out a way to open cross region for the rest of the world and not Japan without admitting that.

This is a serious reply by the way. Yoshi has said they can do it but they're concerned about cultural differences.

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HAHA NA CAN'T READ MACRO's, they also mentioned stuff around privacy due to data having to leave the Physical DC if I recall.

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

But you all asked for OCE data center, so now why you complained it's dead? Clearly you should know how much people gonna play there...

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assuming this comment isn't in bad faith and is genuine, most of us expected regional travel to be a given at some point when making our original plans, allowing a lower pop server to still thrive for more casual play with options to hang out with people outside of it/people playing here when they're not doing savage with their old content groups from JP/NA

with it now being only a possibility, and one that seems more slim by the day, the concern is genuine with us only really having 100k people according to the census, and a large portent of those just being.. alts for the free shit

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Originally Posted by Tigerlilley

OCE player here.
Asking for a free transfer is a bit rich considering you got a free transfer there. If you work majority of the time, surely the $15 to leave isn't a big ask.

Theres only a few weeks to go until the 90 days is up then you can leave with every one else.

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considering they got 3 months of sub just to sit around and do nothing because queues are dead, no housing ect ect.
i think a free transfer back is quite acceptable to ask of them.

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

So they wasted hardware on OCE players that didn't even really want to be there? They just wanted a casual hangout place and expected to just jump to any other global spot and play there. Which was also a function not even in the game yet and might not even have worked.



If OCE players were not positive they could maintain a healthy player base why even ask? It feels incredibly selfish. Should NA ask for four regional spots and make SE pay for them all. Should EU ask for a data centre for each country? If this was because "JPN ONRY" I am sorry you guys are being treated like second class. But if it was just a selfish casual thing, that is pretty sad.


To the OP after the lockdown period is over just pay and be quiet. You were literally given the hardware the rest of the world desperately needed and you don't like it so you want free transfers.

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Here's the thing

you give people the option to play here outside of statics that happen once a week? you can totally sustain a userbase here, but most OCE players are still on their original servers because static commitments and friend groups can't be broken without the option to still play together without paying every time to transfer temporarily.

i'm not even from OCE, I'm from NA playing with oce friends myself

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Originally Posted by Serious-Cat

The real solution to ease congestion and dead datacenters have always been cross region play xD

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Don't think it is gonna help in FF14


From what I understand, cross-region data center travel plucks your character's data from home data center and upload it to destination data center, the vice versa when you leave. So unless you're keen to stay in other data centers with all of it inconveniences, the feature won't help with low-pop dungeon/raid queue cuz our queue are simply not connected.

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Originally Posted by DezereDawn

assuming this comment isn't in bad faith and is genuine, most of us expected regional travel to be a given at some point when making our original plans, allowing a lower pop server to still thrive for more casual play with options to hang out with people outside of it/people playing here when they're not doing savage with their old content groups from JP/NA

with it now being only a possibility, and one that seems more slim by the day, the concern is genuine with us only really having 100k people according to the census, and a large portent of those just being.. alts for the free shit

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Out of that 100k players, well over 60k of those just wanted free 14 days sub.

Out of the 40k remaining, 20k of those are just alts and another 10k are bots.

So we only have around 10k actual players on the DC, and thats quite evident when you visit every server during peak times.


This is a player search right now, at 12:30 in the afternoon on Ravana.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...02/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...48/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...81/unknown.png

Can confirm - our aus/nz fc on Behemoth had barely any players who raid that left. Everyone knew that datacentre would die without cross region.

Ive been playing with my raid team (including NA players) since T4 was current. Whats that, 2013, 2012? Ping is fine for us, there was zero reason to ship off to a deserted island datacentre.

They needed to open cross region for OCE from the beginning. It may well have convinced even the most settled of us to go.

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Originally Posted by Momo_Kozuki

Don't think it is gonna help in FF14

From what I understand, cross-region data center travel plucks your character's data from home data center and upload it to destination data center, the vice versa when you leave. So unless you're keen to stay in other data centers with all of it inconveniences, the feature won't help with low-pop dungeon/raid queue cuz our queue are simply not connected.

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I was thinking more like the concept of player lobby, players everywhere with relevant client and internet can just join a lobby to do stuff and the duty finder/roulettes create and do the matchmaking. Let's say an OCE player is trying to do Trial roulette on non peak OCE time but its bussing in NA rn so the OCE player gets put together with the NA people.

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Originally Posted by Tigerlilley

It's because the Japanese don't want filthy gaijin messing up their PFs. They can't figure out a way to open cross region for the rest of the world and not Japan without admitting that.

This is a serious reply by the way. Yoshi has said they can do it but they're concerned about cultural differences.

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But what if its thru language selection?

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

Out of that 100k players, well over 60k of those just wanted free 14 days sub.

Out of the 40k remaining, 20k of those are just alts and another 10k are bots.

So we only have around 10k actual players on the DC, and thats quite evident when you visit every server during peak times.


This is a player search right now, at 12:30 in the afternoon on Ravana.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...02/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...48/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...81/unknown.png

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as someone who had to play on JP for the longest time, even during my peak hours i got a lot of playtime when JP was "asleep" thanks to a higher pop


on oce i can't even find a dungeon during Late night for me/mid day for OCE which is just absurd.

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Originally Posted by DezereDawn

as someone who had to play on JP for the longest time, even during my peak hours i got a lot of playtime when JP was "asleep" thanks to a higher pop


on oce i can't even find a dungeon during Late night for me/mid day for OCE which is just absurd.

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Yep.. 8-9 years of playing on JP (October 2013 was when i started) and i finally had a reason to join the forums to complain.

Waiting 30 minutes for a current expansion story dungeon during peak times is absurd, i don't understand the mentality of people that think that's acceptable.

Imagine being a new player, waiting 3 hours for a level 60 dungeon to pop.

the Data center is new its obviously not gonna be as populated like the others
Game is also in its dull prepatch period ,there is nothing to do in general besides level and some people will be waiting for the raid tier to be over before they move.

The ping is more than worth it for me and the OCE community will get bigger over time but if you moved her thinking it would be as booming as primal or crystal is big cope man.

I'm glad they made this DC so don't lump OP with every OCE person.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

Imagine being a new player, waiting 3 hours for a level 60 dungeon to pop.

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this happens in all DC and has been a problem for years because there is no incentive to run these dungeons because 50/60/70/80 roulette is terrible.
even in ShB older patch duties like grand cosmos and seat of sacrifice would take 30-50 minutes to pop in elemental.

I love the ping here too. It's so hard to play in other regions when the lag is obvious xD

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Originally Posted by Serious-Cat

I am actually curious why wouldn't SE enable cross region Duty finder? is bandwidth cost the issue?

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There is also a difference in ping and latency; if everyone is on the JP servers, where ever you are you are connecting from you to the central JP hub.

Cross Region means.. say, your tank is connecting from Okinawa to the JP server, which is then connecting to the NA server for the Healer based in Vancouver, who are then trying to connect to the OCE hub for that New Zealander dps…etc.

I wonder why they made so many servers for OCE.
Probably woulda been better if they made a single one considering their population numbers

It's just $15 OP, basically two fantasias. And you likely took advantage of the 15 days free time from getting an alt to 30 as well, so that is close to equals.

Plus, don't forget there will be new servers in JP in a short time that will have free transfer into, the US one later this year that will have free transfer into, and then EU at the end of the year. So, if you can't afford the $15, it's not much longer to wait.

As the 90 days lockout is almost up, when you head back I hope you have all your dreams and happiness return and find joy in the game. Ina few years when pioneers have filled the data centre more, we will welcome you back!

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Originally Posted by hagare

I wonder why they made so many servers for OCE.
Probably woulda been better if they made a single one considering their population numbers

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They answered this about 3 live letters back. They were originally planning to do just 3 servers, but EW demand pushed all queues out, so they put in all 5 from the get go. They knew they would be thin, rather than wait 2 to 3 years for demand to grow then add the 2 and deal with population balancing and disruption.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

Cross Region means.. say, your tank is connecting from Okinawa to the JP server, which is then connecting to the NA server for the Healer based in Vancouver, who are then trying to connect to the OCE hub for that New Zealander dps…etc.

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For FFXIV it's done differently. They explained this in the last live letter. Cross Region in FFXIV terms means your complete character data is packaged up, verified for integrity and actually transferred over. In the Japanese forums where more details were added they said this can take 3 to 10 minutes to occur, although should be closer to instant. While your physical location on the planet doesn't change, your actual character data has been moved to the destination virtual (and eventually physical) DC.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

This is a player search right now, at 12:30 in the afternoon on Ravana.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...02/unknown.png

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Ah, those bots need to be deleted. I wish SE would deal with them.

(BTW Thursday at noonish is work/school time for so many people) The numbers are better at 7pm.

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Originally Posted by hagare

I wonder why they made so many servers for OCE.
Probably woulda been better if they made a single one considering their population numbers

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Apparently they were planning on starting with 3, then expanding to five. But with the extreme congestion problems the JP datacentre was having because of Tonberry, I think they panic rushed the DC open asap. I've said it before, but I'm pretty sure Tonberry's congestion issues wasn't just because of OCE players. SEA also have a massive community over there. Probably bigger than OCE too.

The best solution would be to allow cross data centre travel between OCE and JP. This "logical" DC travel means nothing for OCE as there's only one OCE DC.

Square Enix should do the same as GB in the real world's past. Send all prisoners to OCE to populate it (just joking).

Free transfers away would be the death for the datacenter. We need more incentives to go to OCE. Furthermore we need cross data dutyfinder. The cultural problems weren't that bad in 1.x. I used auto-translate really often and it worked. Sometimes cultures need to clash to learn more from each other.

For the remaining OCE Players I have a little optimistic point of view: with small amounts of people its way more important to have friends in active groups, FCs, LSs and so on. You get more dependent on each other to clear content and that increases the importance of the group. Your bond will be stronger than anywhere else. A real feel of a Final Fantasy lies before you.

What they should have done is put the servers in Singapore, that way the SEA and OCE players would move for the better ping. There's no incentive for SEA players to move to OCE servers as the ping to JP servers are better. People always seem to underestimate the population the SEA player base.

A lot of OCE players probably didn't want to lose their houses by moving. It might spike up again once that finally opens up.

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Originally Posted by Varilyon

Square Enix should do the same as GB in the real world's past. Send all prisoners to OCE to populate it (just joking).

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Heh, funny. Mordion Gaol moved.

Of course only Sydney and Hobart were penal. The rest of the country was either already here (for 45,000 years or so), or free settlers from Ireland, Germany and others. And of course our awesome friends from Aotearoa, New Caledidona and others, have their own histories.

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Originally Posted by Songkla

What they should have done is put the servers in Singapore, that way the SEA and OCE players would move for the better ping. There's no incentive for SEA players to move to OCE servers as the ping to JP servers are better. People always seem to underestimate the population the SEA player base.

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I am positive SE had very solid metrics to back up their choice.

It's far from arbitrary. A company doesn't normally spend a few million unless the accountants have worked quite diligently to put forward the correct business case, and a case that would have to be examined in detail by the board.

As customers we don't know their criteria, but we can be 100% sure that this is the way they considered the best for their companies long term profits based on facts like subscriber numbers, income, operating costs, political stability, and so on.

Where SE screwed up was blocking housing so long.

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Originally Posted by Tigerlilley

Apparently they were planning on starting with 3, then expanding to five. But with the extreme congestion problems the JP datacentre was having because of Tonberry, I think they panic rushed the DC open asap. I've said it before, but I'm pretty sure Tonberry's congestion issues wasn't just because of OCE players. SEA also have a massive community over there. Probably bigger than OCE too.

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which comes to another thought I had.
Why make OCE instead of SEA DC xD
I'm 60% sure there are more SEA players than OCE.

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Originally Posted by hagare

I'm 60% sure there are more SEA players than OCE.

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SE know how many subscribers they have in each country, for a 100% fact.

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Originally Posted by hagare

which comes to another thought I had.
Why make OCE instead of SEA DC xD
I'm 60% sure there are more SEA players than OCE.

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Most of us long term players thought this but unfortunately the loudest voices on these forums do not represent majority.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

SE know how many subscribers they have in each country, for a 100% fact.

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It doesn't help that SEA players cannot register the game in their own country. There is no option to do so. We either have to register in US or EU.

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Originally Posted by Songkla

It doesn't help that SEA players cannot register the game in their own country. There is no option to do so. We either have to register in US or EU.

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Absolutely. The licensing of the IP is really muddied.

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Originally Posted by Tigerlilley

Most of us long term players thought this but unfortunately the loudest voices on these forums do not represent majority.

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Weirdly enough, there seem to only be two threads asking for it that I can turn up, along with the fact that Yoshi visited the region back in 2014 and tried playing. This DC isn't as a result of the forum. That's for sure. The twelve only know the business case and why SE surprised everyone out of the blue with it.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...rs-Heavensward (2015)
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...better-latency (2017)

The Brazilians ask for it way more than the Aussies ever did.

I agree with you, Shibi. Theres a lot of people saying we asked for this DC so we should be happy with it. I'm thinking...did we?

I truly believe this DC exists to ease congestion from Tonberry and the JPN datacentre. Not because OCE players were begging for it.

I do hope the population grows for my friends there but with Ultimate coming up, no one who is hoping to raid for it is going to want to stay on OCE.