P3 Weirdness

When we progging P3S we had some issues with absolutely brutal snapshots in FoA that would wipe us. Typically the game deciding someone didn't a dodge a pizza slice, even though we moved together and they'd die just before the stack hits. But last night was the weirdest yet. We're reclearing and we get to FoF. My co healer and I move to our respective towers to begin soaking the 1st one. Tanks moved to position their circles, all done correctly. Before the birds let rip, or the towers even go off, co healer and I died exactly the same time. Nothing hit us. Nothing went off yet. We were both full health. Speaking to a friend in a different static, they had the same thing happen to their healers, though only one would die. Has anyone else had this happen?

My static hasn’t seen anything like that, but we have had some fairly brutal snapshots on other mechanics. Like Left/Right Cinderwing snapshotting very early in the cast, and one week a while back our DNC got snapshot at ~60% HP for Life’s Agonies despite her being at 100% with several mitigations on her for the cast (Kerachole, Soil, Samba, and a tank mitigation). We watched a replay and checked The Website That Shall Not Be Named, and she was super healthy and protected when the cast finished, but the game snapshotted her before all our healing hit her. Hooray for healing propagation.

She was the only one who died, and we were scratching our heads at it for while. But I think it was just a really unlucky server snapshot. We haven’t seen it happen since on the runs where we’ve seen the full cast.

I cleared yesterday and didn't notice any lag. I was able to 3 -2 pizza slice dodge without any issues. We lb3 deaths toll without any problems.

I have a different issue with p3s: pf fof parties not getting past dark fires.

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Originally Posted by Dreamsoap

That's a player issue, this thread is asking about what looks like a bug.

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You weren't full health. If I'm looking at the right log, you were at 93% and your AST was at 98%, while the first Fountain pop deals 99% of your max health in damage. It's fairly easy not to notice, has happened to me once or twice.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

You weren't full health. If I'm looking at the right log, you were at 93% and your AST was at 98%, while the first Fountain pop deals 99% of your max health in damage. It's fairly easy not to notice, has happened to me once or twice.

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Same here. To both myself and my co-healer. First fountain hits like a truck. I’d recommend tossing a Druo on yourself if you think you need the HP, assuming you have an extra stack (or can allocate Rhizomata to it). Your cohealer can always use CI on themselves if they’re an AST. If you want to go super safety gamer mode, you can do a single-target E. Diagnosis. Not the most optimal, but neither is dying to the first fountain.

I had some issues dodging the 3 -> 2 pizzaslice when normally I don't, and some attacks cancelling themselves in 4S. No one else seemed to be affected by the elevated ping. Server issues only hitting certain people, I suppose...

As others note, the first FoF blast hits like a truck, and if you aren't at full health you will die. I've got my resource usage planned out such that I go into that with two addersgall charges -- one to heal myself up after that first blast that I know I'll need, and one as an in-case if I need to heal myself up before it -- so usually am safe there, but if we've had stumbles earlier in the fight and either I or my co-healer is low on juice due to unexpected rezzes and healing-up-the-revived-folks, there's a very high likelihood one of us will die to that first blast even if we're almost at full.

That said, there's certainly the possibility that the snapshot is being ridiculous and not letting a heal go through before the damage. My static's main tank is in Paraguay, and his ping to our data center is... let's just politely call it "not great". There were times last tier in E12S (when he was DPS) where I or my co-healer would be standing literally on top of him, cast an AoE heal, and he'd still not get healed by it when everyone else in the party -- all at greater distance from the healer than he was -- did not. With the result that he -- and only he -- died to the following raidwide. You wouldn't think the player ping would affect server-side things like that -- and thankfully, we haven't had that problem *this* tier -- but so far as I can tell this game's netcode is vaguely cursed (and most likely haunted).

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Originally Posted by Dreamsoap

We had this a lot with our NIN actually. He consistently was getting rekt by the server on raidwides when he had no reason to die. Our AST throws an extra regen on him for safety during ads phase which has helped so far, which is where it mostly happened. We also had the Life's Agonies meme like you described. I (SGE) died when we did it correctly and were topped off/ mitigated. Fun times.

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I can confirm nin is squishier then they look prob more then rdps. Raidwides do one shot nin with good shields/mit.

I too feel like that fight both normal and savage has an early snapshot on several attacks like Larbird/Starbird cleave, Fireplumes, and Pizzas, similar to Emerald's EX cursed terminus swords but worse. I think Death's Toll snapshot also got 1 or 2 of our DPS in our progs, it was very annoying seeing them on 100% HP only to get a "No" from the game.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

...Larbird/Starbird...

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I hate everything about this (extremely accurate) joke. Curse you for putting that in my brain.

Even on servers where my ping is high, I don't have snapshot problems. Maybe it's just that I'm used to the game after playing it for years? If I move out of something before the cast completes, I'm always fine.

Never had a problem with snapshots either, can't relate to any weirdness in raids. It was bad in ARR especially noticable in Titan but since we got EU servers it's been smooth sailing.
Then again I've been using exitlag für years now that might be a major reason to get rid of that wonkyness caused by routing.

The pizza during FoA have a bit sneaky animations that I think might trick people, the fires still keep going even when it's safe to move and the damage seems to go off very slightly before the red aoe on the floor goes away.
On Pinax in P4S it's a bit sneaky too and got me the first time, the sound effect happens and the panel looks like it has been triggered but it's more like it's '' activating '' and getting ready to go off.
First couple of times I had to kinda re-wire my head a little for it because I kept thinking they had gone off already when I heard the sound and saw them intensifying.

I haven't had snapshot issues myself but once when I had latency problems, Gloryplume would catch me every time. Everything else was fine, but for Glory I'd be standing in a perfectly safe spot and take invisible damage. No issues once my latency was better.

The snapshotting is quite tight and like most fights the animations can't be relied on, so any sort of lag or latency can mess things up.

The snapshots on spreads are 1-1.5 seconds before they hit. I've stacked for greed but it registered my old position.