Garlean Third Eye

Hey there Devs!


I know that companies are always looking to give their players new items and experiences, while also trying to make a few bucks in the process. So I have come with a suggestion that would do both of those things.

Now that we've gone all of these long years, with Garlean roleplayers wishing for Garlean armor (Not the eastern Imperial armor that we have in game, but the standard issue Garlean Imperial armor from Garlemald.)

Can we please put a set of Garlean Imperial armor on the mogstation that INCLUDES a helmet and THIRD EYE? Yes, that's right: I suggest putting the third eye up on the mogstation. Bonus: An Imperial gunblade.

I alone would be buying at least six of them because I roleplay a lot of Garleans. I know many, many others who would do the same. This is a great opportunity, especially in this expansion, to finally offer the Imperial garb + third eye.

You would make a TON of money off of these items, and we the players would absolutely LOVE to have them. Thank you for reading. :)

You have my support!

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Originally Posted by Lauront

You have my support!

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...and mine!

And mine ....

Honestly we should just get the Garlean race period. The whole bit about magic is a bit odd since there are Garleans that can use aether, they are rare but they happen and since the player character is supposed to be an anomaly anyway I don't see how it is a problem. I mean... *gestures at cat bois and bun bois*

not sure how the third eye item would really fit into the lore though, since pure garleans with the third eye use the hyur and elezen (with hyur ears) models. which also makes making them their own race kinda awkward too

It would still be a little awkward to have playable Garleans given that the few non-antagonistic Garleans we see in Eorzea make it a note to keep their third eye hidden for rather justified reasons.

Cid is the only one who's particularly open about his heritage since he has a strong enough reputation that nobody questions it, whereas if some Garlean "adventurer" shows up out of the blue, it wouldn't seem terribly logical for nobody to bat an eye at it.

I would, however, like an Ilsabard-focused expansion partly for the sake of making Garlean-styled armor available a logical choice thematically.

I was going to petition to have Jullus join the Scions, and well... nvm.

How does one RP as a Garlean while remaining true to the lore? It's easy for me to RP as a Lunarian because while they do exist in the world of Final Fantasy, there is little to no mention of them in FFXIV, so there are no lore restrictions when it comes to how I develop her story in regards to her heritage. Garleans also have a unique skillset that would almost make more sense if it was a job more than a new race.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not dismissing it. Just curious how it would work.

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Originally Posted by Zomkei

not sure how the third eye item would really fit into the lore though, since pure garleans with the third eye use the hyur and elezen (with hyur ears) models. which also makes making them their own race kinda awkward too

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It could just be an item called "False Garlean Eye" and it would work. I can see them doing that as one of their fashion accessory items too, like the umbrellas and the glasses.

It is super awkward that the Garleans never got their own race. Back in 1.0, people in my linkshell and I even debated on whether or not Van Darnus was secretly an Elezen because she used Elezen motions. It would've been one thing to consistently use Elezen and slap a third eye and some Hyur ears on them, but there are Midlander sized Purebloods out there too like Cid, Midas, Jenomis, and Jullus. Their lore isn't even always straight because Arenvald said once that half-Garleans don't get third eyes but the half-Garlean in the Weapon quests has one, though it's black instead of white.

But I don't see us getting a Garlean playable race for the number one fact that they aren't even their own race in the code of the game more than anything else, plus Yoshi-P said we're done after fem Hroth.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

How does one RP as a Garlean while remaining true to the lore? It's easy for me to RP as a Lunarian because while they do exist in the world of Final Fantasy, there is little to no mention of them in FFXIV, so there are no lore restrictions when it comes to how I develop her story in regards to her heritage. Garleans also have a unique skillset that would almost make more sense if it was a job more than a new race.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not dismissing it. Just curious how it would work.

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People I know who do it cling to the Resonant or the one line in the EE that says "Garleans have little inborn ability to manipulate their body's aether, however, and thus the arcane arts have ever eluded all but a few" and they consider themselves one of the "few".

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Originally Posted by Gemina

How does one RP as a Garlean while remaining true to the lore? It's easy for me to RP as a Lunarian because while they do exist in the world of Final Fantasy, there is little to no mention of them in FFXIV, so there are no lore restrictions when it comes to how I develop her story in regards to her heritage. Garleans also have a unique skillset that would almost make more sense if it was a job more than a new race.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not dismissing it. Just curious how it would work.

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It's pretty easy, especially with the Reaper quests now confirming that bands of Garleans can easily operate within the shadows across Eorzea. Others - such as myself - simply had our Garlean characters spend a lot of their time in Kugane, since Hingashi not only has Garleans living and working within the city but is neutral on the world stage.

As for the logistics, most people who role-play a Garlean simply go with a Midlander, Highlander or Elezen model and either hide the forehead with certain hairstyles or make use of a circlet to 'hide' the third eye.

A proper third eye glamour would be wonderful and allow people to make use of a broader range of hairstyles as a consequence.

One thing I've always wondered is if that's really an undeveloped eye kind of like on blind cave fish, or a little ball of bone/keratin.

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Originally Posted by Limecat

One thing I've always wondered is if that's really an undeveloped eye kind of like on blind cave fish, or a little ball of bone/keratin.

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Per the devs, it's hard like keratin. It increases their spatial recognition.

Why is your default asking for it to be in the cash shop?
Negotiation skills, people...

Or you're my Garlean, Angellos: And you roleplay openly in the community and those around you know you to have defected many years ago. My Garlean is a prominent member of an Ishgardian noble house (House Vontine.) And he works as their Engineer. He doesn't bother trying to hide his heritage, and he works tirelessly to mend the rift between Garleans and Eorzeans.

That part about mending the rift is interesting..... is there actually any garlean that even tried to do that? I only knew 3 kind of garlean, the one with great loyalty for the empire, the one with great defiance for the empire or the one who pursue their own personal agenda, remind me if i am wrong but i cant seems to find any garlean who tried to mend the relation between garlean and other race before endwalker, yes we have some friendly garlean but they ussually goes to the type that strongly defy the empire even gaius

Sadly there’s hardly any information regarding the Garlean’s physiology & other aspects of it.

It’s absurd there isn’t a full explanation as to why Garleans can’t manipulate aether, while also more throughly their “Third Eye” explanation.

One thing that’s for certain it’s that they’re incredibly strong along with superior spatial awareness.

According to some mixture accounts with lore wise, they’re not Hyur nor share any ancestry with them.

That being said, they’re compensate to genetically have stronger aether within their bodies that rumour has it they’re as strong as a Roegadyn or stronger & somewhat physical superior than the rest of the races.

There’s no official account to claim otherwise but this video it’s the closest that perhaps has a more comprehensive guide/possible explanation as this viewer so stated from gathering various sources:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2sAh7_QtV-E

May the video spark some highlights & judge for yourselves,

Enjoy!

Regarding the Garlean gunblade & gear, I have already made both a petition and thread for them on here. And even asked Yoshida in the Q&A if he’s going to add them, and he said he will. :)

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...am-in-the-Game

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FM6q6AXW...pg&name=medium

Garlean armor always reminds me of the old Guyver anime.
https://wallpaperaccess.com/full/3261663.jpg

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Why is your default asking for it to be in the cash shop?
Negotiation skills, people...

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Your options are 1. Suggest a way to make money by adding something coveted to the store 2. Suggest something added to the game, something that hasn't been added after years of demand, with no benefit for SE.

"Negotiation skills", indeed...

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Why is your default asking for it to be in the cash shop?
Negotiation skills, people...

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Precisely, Garlean glams should be linked to doing stuff in and around Garlemald.

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Originally Posted by Misplaced_Marbles

Your options are 1. Suggest a way to make money by adding something coveted to the store 2. Suggest something added to the game, something that hasn't been added after years of demand, with no benefit for SE.

"Negotiation skills", indeed...

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They've already said they're going to add Garlean themed glams to the game, they weren't adding them before for story reasons.

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Originally Posted by Vrankyl

Honestly we should just get the Garlean race period. The whole bit about magic is a bit odd since there are Garleans that can use aether, they are rare but they happen and since the player character is supposed to be an anomaly anyway I don't see how it is a problem. I mean... *gestures at cat bois and bun bois*

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Garleans with the third eye are pure blooded, and pure-blooded garleans can't manipulate aether. One of the plot points in Garlemald was how magic was seen as so alien and terrifying to the garlean citizens because they could not do it, and it does not have a root in their culture as it does everywhere else.

The only ""magic"" they've been capable of producing came as the byproduct of horrific scientific experiments (zenos), and by making pacts with voidsent (reapers).

Also garleans largely just use the elezen model with rounded ears, not exactly an exciting new race. Would be better to just have it as a cosmetic item

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Originally Posted by Averax

Garleans with the third eye are pure blooded, and pure-blooded garleans can't manipulate aether. One of the plot points in Garlemald was how magic was seen as so alien and terrifying to the garlean citizens because they could not do it, and it does not have a root in their culture as it does everywhere else.

The only ""magic"" they've been capable of producing came as the byproduct of horrific scientific experiments (zenos), and by making pacts with voidsent (reapers).

Also garleans largely just use the elezen model with rounded ears, not exactly an exciting new race. Would be better to just have it as a cosmetic item

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Also to add to this, most of those Garleans you see casting spells are not really Garleans, you can consider them as conscripts that the Garleans took in to serve them.

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Originally Posted by Averax

Garleans with the third eye are pure blooded, and pure-blooded garleans can't manipulate aether. One of the plot points in Garlemald was how magic was seen as so alien and terrifying to the garlean citizens because they could not do it, and it does not have a root in their culture as it does everywhere else.

The only ""magic"" they've been capable of producing came as the byproduct of horrific scientific experiments (zenos), and by making pacts with voidsent (reapers).

Also garleans largely just use the elezen model with rounded ears, not exactly an exciting new race. Would be better to just have it as a cosmetic item

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This is incorrect. Per the Encyclopedia Eorzea: "Garleans have little inborn ability to manipulate their body's aether, however, and thus the arcane arts have ever eluded all but a few."

There are pure-blooded Garleans capable of using aether, it is rare but it is possible. And seeing how the player character is the special chosen one that defies all social norms of their race (again see Male Viera and Male Mi'qote), there is no reason for us to not have them as a race. Nor do pure blooded Garleans only use the elezen model. Cid uses the Highlander model, and several pure blooded Garleans in the Garlemald zone use the midlander model.

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Originally Posted by Vrankyl

This is incorrect. Per the Encyclopedia Eorzea: "Garleans have little inborn ability to manipulate their body's aether, however, and thus the arcane arts have ever eluded all but a few."

There are pure-blooded Garleans capable of using aether, it is rare but it is possible.

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The problem with that quote from the EE is that we haven’t seen any evidence of that from the game itself and the game treats their inability to use magic as absolute.

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Originally Posted by Vrankyl

Nor do pure blooded Garleans only use the elezen model. Cid uses the Highlander model, and several pure blooded Garleans in the Garlemald zone use the midlander model.

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The point that poster was trying to get across is that there’s no such thing as a “Garlean” race model. Garleans in the game just take a Midlander or Elezen body and change the ears and put an eye in their forehead. Some like Maxima are still a normal Elezen head that you can make right now. SE would need to create a whole race from scratch in order to make them playable.

Cid uses a unique appearance like the other leaders in the game, but it’s based on a Midlander skeleton. If you copy him in the Halloween event, he does Midlander emotes and he’s super short compared to the “Elezen” Garleans.

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Originally Posted by Angellos

Hey there Devs!


I know that companies are always looking to give their players new items and experiences, while also trying to make a few bucks in the process. So I have come with a suggestion that would do both of those things.

Now that we've gone all of these long years, with Garlean roleplayers wishing for Garlean armor (Not the eastern Imperial armor that we have in game, but the standard issue Garlean Imperial armor from Garlemald.)

Can we please put a set of Garlean Imperial armor on the mogstation that INCLUDES a helmet and THIRD EYE? Yes, that's right: I suggest putting the third eye up on the mogstation. Bonus: An Imperial gunblade.

I alone would be buying at least six of them because I roleplay a lot of Garleans. I know many, many others who would do the same. This is a great opportunity, especially in this expansion, to finally offer the Imperial garb + third eye.

You would make a TON of money off of these items, and we the players would absolutely LOVE to have them. Thank you for reading. :)

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The "Garlean Legatus wannabe" in me highly approves of this idea-- plus, your Gunblade suggestion would finally complete one of my "Legate" glams I wear whenever I wander around Garlemald. I've long since ran out of suitable options to wear with my Law sets (see below)-- and an Imperial gunblade would be perfect.

https://i.imgur.com/BXmRIyv.jpg

In addition to the third eye, I'm still hoping that we get more of the Garlean officer's gear on the Mog Station or attainable in 6.X-- for instance, Menesius' armour and Uncle Emet's hairstyle (lovely artwork by Dodorimo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4VihUsX...jpg&name=large

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Originally Posted by Averax

Garleans with the third eye are pure blooded, and pure-blooded garleans can't manipulate aether..

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I believe one of the Encylopedia Eorzeas (I forget if it's the first or second) states directly that a very small percentage of Garleans are in fact capable of utilizing aether. We've also had two separate in-game examples of pure-blooded Garleans using actual magic, not counting Zenos' unique brand of strangeness and Lucia.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

I believe one of the Encylopedia Eorzeas (I forget if it's the first or second) states directly that a very small percentage of Garleans are in fact capable of utilizing aether. We've also had two separate in-game examples of pure-blooded Garleans using actual magic, not counting Zenos' unique brand of strangeness and Lucia.

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"Garleans have little inborn ability to manipulate their body's aether, however, and thus the arcane arts have ever eluded all but a few."

The Encyclopedia is written from an in-universe perspective, to me the entry comes across as much like hearsay as anything. The writer would likely have heard tales of Garleans using magic, some have been known to use it after all, Zenos and Reapers being obvious examples, but it's not really magic as Eorzeans know it.

Also, if I remember correctly from last time this debate came up, Lucia doesn't use magic anymore. Kind of a shame in my opinion, I liked the idea of a Garlean spy putting in ridiculous amounts of effort and training in order to use a novice level spell as part of their cover.

just add garleans as a subrace for hyur and elezen. just throw a line in somewhere that hydaelyn gave you the ability to use aether normally because of the whole paradox from elpis (we receive the blessing from hydaelyn -> we go to elpis and meet hydaelyn -> she gives you the blessing because you would have become tempered to ifrit and killed and therefore unable to have met hydaelyn in the first place)

have the blessing include that. or just have us be extra special and allow it due to us being a shard of azem

How on earth could a Garlean WoL even go two steps into the MSQ without getting run out of town, arrested, or murdered on the spot? This would be like a nazi in full SS garb just sauntering around America during WWII.

If your "third eye" is just perpetually covered by your hair and/or headwear so nobody knows you're Garlean, then I don't even know what it is you're asking for other than to just keep playing a hyur and privately RP as a "secret Garlean" like you're already doing.

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

How on earth could a Garlean WoL even go two steps into the MSQ without getting run out of town, arrested, or murdered on the spot? This would be like a nazi in full SS garb just sauntering around America during WWII.

If your "third eye" is just perpetually covered by your hair and/or headwear so nobody knows you're Garlean, then I don't even know what it is you're asking for other than to just keep playing a hyur and privately RP as a "secret Garlean" like you're already doing.

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Not all Garleans are imperials (though the vast majority are) we have a few notable in-game examples that contradict this entire line of thought. Yeah, some Garleans might want to hide their third eye to avoid racism, but it's no different than a Keeper wanting to be careful in Gridania or an Ala Mhigan being careful in Ul'dah.

Also, Garleans aren't as clan/subrace of Hyur. The game has always treated them as a distinctly different race. Garleans are as different from Hyur as Elezen are.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

The problem with that quote from the EE is that we haven’t seen any evidence of that from the game itself and the game treats their inability to use magic as absolute.

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Given how Garleans are portrayed, it wouldn't surprise me if anyone discovered that they had the talent, they'd hide it out of fear or shame.

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

How on earth could a Garlean WoL even go two steps into the MSQ without getting run out of town, arrested, or murdered on the spot? This would be like a nazi in full SS garb just sauntering around America during WWII.

If your "third eye" is just perpetually covered by your hair and/or headwear so nobody knows you're Garlean, then I don't even know what it is you're asking for other than to just keep playing a hyur and privately RP as a "secret Garlean" like you're already doing.

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we only see this level of cartoony racism in ishgard against the dragons

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

we only see this level of cartoony racism in ishgard against the dragons

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We see plenty of racism in ARR. Eorzeans towards Beastmen, Garleans towards the Eorzean savages, even the various Eorzean races towards each other.

The story takes on a more accepting and hopeful tone, but some characters are still pretty damn racist. The Bozjans wouldn't accept Cid at first, even with the famous liberator of Doma vouching for him, and the Reapers in Ul'dah still make an effort to hide their Garlean heritages.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

We see plenty of racism in ARR. Eorzeans towards Beastmen, Garleans towards the Eorzean savages, even the various Eorzean races towards each other.

The story takes on a more accepting and hopeful tone, but some characters are still pretty damn racist. The Bozjans wouldn't accept Cid at first, even with the famous liberator of Doma vouching for him, and the Reapers in Ul'dah still make an effort to hide their Garlean heritages.

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We do not see this toward players though. You wont' see any duskwight or moonkeepers in Gridania, but if a player of one of those races goes there it never gets brought up. The same with any au ra in Ishgard.

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Originally Posted by Pells

We do not see this toward players though. You wont' see any duskwight or moonkeepers in Gridania, but if a player of one of those races goes there it never gets brought up. The same with any au ra in Ishgard.

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There already are Duskwights and Moon keepers in Gridania. Mother Miounne (at least her model), the ex-Serpent Commander, and the world’s leading biologist (found in Central Shroud but relocated to Gridania for certain quests) are all Duskwights. There’s a Moon keeper in Gridania as part of the archer quests and there’s a few in the hamlets at least as well.

They’re prejudiced against since they tend to be outside Gridanian control and the larger population doesn’t pay fealty to the Hearers or the elementals, as well as groups of bandits and poachers. The archer storyline talks about it a lot and that Moon keeper has to make a decision.

But that’s different than Garlemald where up until extremely recently, Gridania was in open war with Garlemald having already taken Gridanian territory and facing an existential crisis.

Pretty sure Yoshi-P or someone commented on it somewhere as well but I can’t find it.

Edit: Ultimately I feel like a Garlean race has too much going against it to end up being something useable by players. There’s no existing Garlean model in the game, they’re the antagonists, lore generally states for the race as a whole that they can’t use aether, and Yoshi-P said no more races (though we’ve seen how that’s gone).

I still think we need a third eye item/accessory and I’m surprised we still haven’t had one for this long. I was even half expecting us to get one in the EW MSQ or as a bicolor gem item.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Why is your default asking for it to be in the cash shop?
Negotiation skills, people...

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Because I realize that companies also need to make money, and if any company deserves to make money, it's FFXIV. I want to support them financially, and to make sure their developers and modelers get paid a great wage.

If I could make a Garlean as gigantic, yet not built like a block, unlike Roegyden and Hrothgar, I'd love to make one!

I'm talking about how the way Zenos and Varis look.

I personally don’t mind if the Garlean gunblade and gear become Mog Station items. Or even in-game rewards for that matter. I’m just glad that Yoshida specifically said that he’s lifting the ban and that he’ll gradually add more Garlean gear in the future.