Job Idea: Spiritualist (Healer)

Spiritualist (SPR)
Pure Healer with a DPS Pet
Weapon: Ritual Candles, special candles set alight with ghostly flames
Gear: Healer
Limit Break: Danse Macabre
Inspirations: Spiritualist, Spiritualism, and Mediumship, Necromancers from FFV, Exorcist and Guardian from Bravely Second

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Created by cyangorrila

Entire Job Idea Overview

TL;DR version
- Necromancer/Medium who focus on summoning ghosts
- Pure Healer with a DPS pet
- Gain gauge from damaging and healing spells that is used as a cost for certain abilities
- Additionally, as you gain gauge, you gain stacks that both power your pet and are used as a cost for certain abilities
- DPS spells either place an effect on enemies or uses up that effect to buff their potency
- GCD Regens don’t have a burst heal but reduce damage taken by 5% for 9 seconds.
- Total number of buttons: 21

Designer's Note:
I've been sitting on this idea since mid ShB (before RPR and SGE were announced) and dusted it off to bring it up to EW's standards. :B
I just wanted to create a dark, more DPS-focused healer.

Pretty meh about this (goth stuff isn't my thing), but it is at least a concept with some design space.

I think it would probably be called "Medium" rather than "Spiritualist", since Spiritualists tend to have different connotations. Or maybe take from other FF jobs and call it "Invoker."

And if it's using candles as a weapon, definitely needs some fire effects. Would help differentiate from the other healers.

Pet jobs are the way of the dodo, just make the ghosties into spells.

Still feels a little bit of a mish-mash of DRK, BLM, and RPR, but I do acknowledge that it wouldn't tread on any healer design space. I especially wouldn't mind a job like this in the game if it meant I could get my light-magic DPS mage.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

I just wanted to create a dark, more DPS-focused healer.

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The funniest thing about this is that Sage is supposed to be a DPS-focused healer, but it barely has any extra DPS skills. All you do is still spam Dosis instead of having a variety of DPS skills for majority of the fight when you do DPS as a healer.

Until SE is able to design a proper healer that doesn't spam their same single target nuke skill or the same AoE skill over 100+ times over the course of a fight, I don't ever see that happening tbh.

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Originally Posted by SeverianLyonesse

Pretty meh about this (goth stuff isn't my thing), but it is at least a concept with some design space.

I think it would probably be called "Medium" rather than "Spiritualist", since Spiritualists tend to have different connotations. Or maybe take from other FF jobs and call it "Invoker."

And if it's using candles as a weapon, definitely needs some fire effects. Would help differentiate from the other healers.

Pet jobs are the way of the dodo, just make the ghosties into spells.

Still feels a little bit of a mish-mash of DRK, BLM, and RPR, but I do acknowledge that it wouldn't tread on any healer design space. I especially wouldn't mind a job like this in the game if it meant I could get my light-magic DPS mage.

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1. I have other jobs ideas on the backburner but this is the one I was able to get to the point I could conceptualize the whole kit. Other healer ideas I've been playing with are a weather-controlling, steampunk healer that's inspired by Geomancers and X-2's Mascot as a buffing healer.

2. I went with Spiritualist because I was inspired by the IRL Spiritualism movement from back in the day.

3. Their single-target spell "combo" is based off of Will-o-the-Wisps (Ignis Fatuus is the Latin name for them).

4. I played around with the idea of the Spirit pet you summon being just a DoT and all the abilities that use Legion stacks being just normal abilities you use but I felt that the Spirit using them was more appropriate from a thematic standpoint.

5. I would be down for a light-based DPS.

While it is great to see some creative energy, I would say a definite, emphatic NO to any new healer jobs until the current jobs go through a re-work. That could include a re-work of the "pure" healer concept because I am not at all convinced that it has been as well done as it could be, or even if it should be kept at all.

also, looking over this job, it really looks like it wouldn't be any more engaging than any of the current healers and that is really the biggest problem that we have. sure it's goth and has a pet, but it looks like after a week or two with it, the shiny new job wears off.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

1. I have other jobs ideas on the backburner but this is the one I was able to get to the point I could conceptualize the whole kit. Other healer ideas I've been playing with are a weather-controlling, steampunk healer that's inspired by Geomancers and X-2's Mascot as a buffing healer.

2. I went with Spiritualist because I was inspired by the IRL Spiritualism movement from back in the day.

3. Their single-target spell "combo" is based off of Will-o-the-Wisps (Ignis Fatuus is the Latin name for them).

4. I played around with the idea of the Spirit pet you summon being just a DoT and all the abilities that use Legion stacks being just normal abilities you use but I felt that the Spirit using them was more appropriate from a thematic standpoint.

5. I would be down for a light-based DPS.

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Yeah none of it's terrible. Aside from the fact that all of our healers are very euro-centric, and it would be nice to have more variety on that front. And while there are eastern candle-burning spiritualists, I wouldn't want to tamper with your job concept because it is clearly looking to satisfy a specifically western spiritualism job fantasy.

Still, I'm not opposed to it since it does seem to fill a niche people have been wanting in a way that actually brings something new(-ish) to the table.

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

While it is great to see some creative energy, I would say a definite, emphatic NO to any new healer jobs until the current jobs go through a re-work. That could include a re-work of the "pure" healer concept because I am not at all convinced that it has been as well done as it could be, or even if it should be kept at all.

also, looking over this job, it really looks like it wouldn't be any more engaging than any of the current healers and that is really the biggest problem that we have. sure it's goth and has a pet, but it looks like after a week or two with it, the shiny new job wears off.

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Yeah, although I wouldn't mind if a new healer came alongside a healing job overhaul.

Personally, I would prefer a more Yuna Monk Spade type vibe to a necro healer. But I have to admit that this concept works quite well and has an unused/unique weapon niche.

As an old school healer from other MMOs I'd much prefer they design content around us healing and supporting. I don't want to spam a DPS skill 80% of the time or new healer classes designed to appease to DPS players. I don't want a DPS pet.

As much as most people hate this - I want increased pressure to need my GCD heals and Esuna. Esuna is so rarely needed the few times it is, most healers don't use it as they literally never have.

More skills that prevent damage with Stuns like Holy. Instead of Stun maybe healers can have Paralyze for their own decaying stun duration. A GCD where I apply purposely apply the Slow, Heavy, or Silence effects actually having this matter.

I'd love a meaningful Reflect - a damage shield that also returns damage to the attacker. This would feel better to me than casting Glare while still dealing damages since I'm supporting.

I'd love a Confuse skill where I support by having the mobs turn around and hit another mob. Damage while preventing damage.

Other skills Rosa had in FF4 that aren't used here - like Dispel a Damage Up buff from a boss. Maybe a short-duration float to avoid ground AE.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

As an old school healer from other MMOs I'd much prefer they design content around us healing and supporting. I don't want to spam a DPS skill 80% of the time or new healer classes designed to appease to DPS players. I don't want a DPS pet.

As much as most people hate this - I want increased pressure to need my GCD heals and Esuna. Esuna is so rarely needed the few times it is, most healers don't use it as they literally never have.

More skills that prevent damage with Stuns like Holy. Instead of Stun maybe healers can have Paralyze for their own decaying stun duration. A GCD where I apply purposely apply the Slow, Heavy, or Silence effects actually having this matter.

I'd love a meaningful Reflect - a damage shield that also returns damage to the attacker. This would feel better to me than casting Glare while still dealing damages since I'm supporting.

I'd love a Confuse skill where I support by having the mobs turn around and hit another mob. Damage while preventing damage.

Other skills Rosa had in FF4 that aren't used here - like Dispel a Damage Up buff from a boss. Maybe a short-duration float to avoid ground AE.

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I can understand being inspired by other MMOs. For example, i find the way that Esuna is actually used to be very clunky , I had a similar skill in another game , and I was able to apply that to multiple targets which was lireally a life saver in some case.
however, that doesn't mean that i want to copy those games - in this game i am typically expected to both heal and DPS and that is what keeps me engaged. If as part of a future re-design there a additional skills that incorporate heals as part of doing damage, or shields , that could be much more interesting for me. As you say, status effects could also potentially be interesting too,

This idea for a new healer job sounds nice to me, might be a lot of fun to play.

Dam, I had a idea for a caster with the exact same motif which I had years ago. Was gonna post about it but then RPR came out and kinda napped a good chunk of my ideas into it. Now this!

While I love the design ethic, I would much rather have it focus on DPS

I don't wanna be a pessimist but I honestly think SGE is the last healer we get.

This idea seems pretty cool though. Another name that it be is Elementalist (FFTA) Of course they're not the same, but Sage was 100% different so why not.

cool idea.
But necromancers don't heal.
They control your bruised and battered body and keep them working. Basically the extreme version of extreme overwork because you don't feel pain.
Except that you still feel pain :p
Until you die and they animate and order your corpse to keep working. xD

I mean... the similarly designed (aesthetic wise) RPR is already a healer *cough* Crest regen *cough cough*

Fun aside, as much as I love reading it in general, I'd still prefer the devs to deal with their current roster's glaring issues. Pun intended.

Will be another healer with 1 dps spell and a bunch of OGC heals.

If they ever make it in to the game.

As others have said as I will .

This game has been reworked so that healing has devolved into healing as few persons as possible , in dungeons , because most of the attacks are telegraphed and dodged once learned (easy) nobody takes random aoe damage from trash or boss attacks, none throw magic damaging debuffs around . non randomly go for the healer and stun lock them or silence them . no bosses trap/prison dps long enough to make an impact of the fight or reuire emergency healig or the mec kills them:

There's no emergency or intensity in dungeons , you can literally have all npcs just attack the tank and they dont do anything else bar a few cones or circle aoes that dps run out of so the healer just throws a few heals and damages the rest of the time.


The trial/ex its a learn the pattern system and you dodge what you can dodge , healers precast the ones you cant so that the damage hits the heath is replenished and you carry on spamming 1 damage attack

Its pitiful . As creative many ideas for a new healers are , what use would they be in the way the games battles have been changed from raids like coils into corridor dungeons and platform boss fights over the healers we already have??

Sage shows us they could have fixed SCH years ago but they sold the rework as an expansion feature instead.

Probably won't be popular... but I would like to see a shaman healer.

The elemental wheel has been so disregarded in this game, I would find it interesting to have elemental healing that has different effects. I know that it is highly unlikely because that would require unique heals to be created... such as an earth aspected heal includes a barrier.... fire heal might include a damage shield.... water a heal over time... I don't know.

I just think that a non Euro healer that has heals with more heal graphics and effects than just barrier and light aspect would be interesting... and if nothing else eye candy.

I dont see this happening for 1 simple reason only; the archetype u describe here has no roots in final fantasy, all the jobs we have now are derived from actual jobs/classes in other final fantasy games.

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Originally Posted by Fonkiemonkie

I dont see this happening for 1 simple reason only; the archetype u describe here has no roots in final fantasy, all the jobs we have now are derived from actual jobs/classes in other final fantasy games.

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That’s a dumb, made-up rule. :B
Plus, I even list Final Fantasy V’s Necromancer as an inspiration for the job.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

That’s a dumb, made-up rule. :B
Plus, I even list Final Fantasy V’s Necromancer as an inspiration for the job.

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I do agree it does feel pretty Necro. It's not really any different than Astrologian being a Time Mage or Gambler.

Having thought more on this, a Necro job just feels really unlikely at this point. I struggle imagining the devs wanting to dilute Reaper's "goth avatar/spirit summon" niche. Like some other jobs: dual pistols, chemist, puppetmaster...I think the existing design decisions have precluded certain archetypes because they already exist in the game, just with some different trappings.

That said, still kudos. I usually don't care for job proposals on these forums because they are even *less* distinguishable from things already in the game. This one at least feels like it could almost work. What if instead of ghosts it summoned pyreflies? Something less...corporeal to better distinguish it from RPR's avatar?

It could be fun in another game, but man, ffxiv does healers like garbage. 99% of the buttons I push when healing is ... my one nuke. Doesn't matter which healer, its all the same. 1 nuke and 1 dot.

I push a few heals here and there, but thats almost a niche part of the character.