A cry for help - South America

The year is 2022.

However, there is not yet a South American server. But the worst part is that we don't see prediction or just a word anywhere.

We are a gigantic community. A fanatical community, if not the most of all.

We deserve to be heard.
We understood before when they talked about the difficulty of establishing themselves in the region, but it has been almost 10 years. Other games came in the meantime and won a legion of worshipers.

Why can't Final Fantasy do the same?
We have what it takes to do better than them.

That's why I beg:

Please listen to us.

I think with the recent changes to the data center menu, you can see that there is a data center in every region except there so hopefully this is obvious to SE as well.

The Oceania data center took years of planning so it willl most likely be the same for this if it happens, especially with the semiconductor shortage and some countries still being impacted by covid restrictions.

♥ I hope they do indeed listen!

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I think with the recent changes to the data center menu, you can see that there is a data center in every region except there so hopefully this is obvious to SE as well.

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Africa doesn't have its own data center either.
Would be interesting to see player distribution by region. Just how many south american players there are

Considering there isn't even an official Spanish/Portuguese language translation, I would be surprised to learn that there's a large enough player base in the Americas outside the United States and Canada to warrant an entire data center supporting it.

But if I'm wrong here, then I'm all in favor of expanding the game for South America to have a dedicated data center.

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Originally Posted by TGk1ng

The year is 2022.

However, there is not yet a South American server. But the worst part is that we don't see prediction or just a word anywhere.

We are a gigantic community. A fanatical community, if not the most of all.

We deserve to be heard.
We understood before when they talked about the difficulty of establishing themselves in the region, but it has been almost 10 years. Other games came in the meantime and won a legion of worshipers.

Why can't Final Fantasy do the same?
We have what it takes to do better than them.

That's why I beg:

Please listen to us.

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As an OCE player - pretty sure you guys should have got a datacentre before us. The Aus/NZ population really isn't that big.

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Originally Posted by TGk1ng

The year is 2022.

We are a gigantic community. A fanatical community, if not the most of all.

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Idk
a simple google search says differently.

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Originally Posted by Tigerlilley

As an OCE player - pretty sure you guys should have got a datacentre before us. The Aus/NZ population really isn't that big.

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Yeah, but OCE are generally english speaking that was put in a server that was both in a different language/writing system/culture. So really a datacenter makes sense there as priority.

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Originally Posted by TGk1ng

The year is 2022.

However, there is not yet a South American server. But the worst part is that we don't see prediction or just a word anywhere.

We are a gigantic community. A fanatical community, if not the most of all.

We deserve to be heard.
We understood before when they talked about the difficulty of establishing themselves in the region, but it has been almost 10 years. Other games came in the meantime and won a legion of worshipers.

Why can't Final Fantasy do the same?
We have what it takes to do better than them.

That's why I beg:

Please listen to us.

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I would rather have a regional pricing subscription, playing FFXIV here in South America, Argentina is a luxury with all the taxes and the economic crisis

monthly minimum wage: 33k ars, less than 170 usd (1 usd = more than 200 ars)

That's never gonna happen because that means SE will have to translate the entire game to Spanish.

They never cared because the community of SA players are so tiny due to language barrier.

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

That's never gonna happen because that means SE will have to translate the entire game to Spanish.

They never cared because the community of SA players are so tiny due to language barrier.

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Not really. Look at the example of Lost Ark: it has an SA server but the game remains entirely in English.

We need better gameplay conditions first of all.

A fully translated game with bad gameplay wouldn't solve the problem.

Why would you want a South american server? to go to a NA server regardless and speak spanish like in Lost Ark? no ty

Hugest issue with SA servers is that the player population there is miniscule, some of the lowest next to Eastern EU, so it would be extremely difficult convince SE... A big reason we got Oceanic was cause it has a strong player population nearly rivaling JP population at times...

Good luck to you!
They have the data, if they don't see SA people in general not playing enough of this type of games they probably wont invest.
And new server hardware is needed in more gaming interest heavy areas like NA/EU more at the moment so i personally doubt nothing will change in a long time for you guys.

Spanish translations are often missing aswell even though the worldwide spanish speaking population is gigantic, yet still not enough to warrant translations in most games.

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Originally Posted by Mika_Zahard

Why would you want a South american server? to go to a NA server regardless and speak spanish like in Lost Ark? no ty

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It doesn't make sense what you said.

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Originally Posted by TGk1ng

It doesn't make sense what you said.

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It's a common issue with a few games. When I used to play DotA, we've had servers for every region including SA. However, their players would still pour into NA for some unfathomable reason. This also could be seen again at certain times in PoE and a few other games. SA, much like Russia, has developed the reputation of neglecting their own servers and instead claiming another as their own. This is comparable to what the English speakers did to Ship 2 of PSO2 back in the day, though an English version of the game didn't exist at the time.

I believe this is what they're referring to.

Anyways, it's unlikely to happen. As it has been mentioned, the population for SA players just isn't there, no matter how 'fanatical' you claim them to be.

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Originally Posted by TGk1ng

It doesn't make sense what you said.

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It makes sense in the fact that he's saying whenever games have SA region servers those players end up not playing on them because there's not enough players so they just join NA servers anyways.

How about we just all get on the NA Servers and jump the border there and slowly demand they switch over everything to Spanish. You know what I mean jelly bean?

Vato Loco 4eva

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Originally Posted by Mika_Zahard

Why would you want a South american server? to go to a NA server regardless and speak spanish like in Lost Ark? no ty

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One of the main reasons SA players want a dedicated server or at least a server closer to SA, like in Miami for example, is because of the ping. We here in SA play with 200+ ms for the most part, so imagine doing savage and ultimate with that... You need to be better than any NA players because not only you need to figure out the mechanics and timing but also include the delay that the ping gives you and adapt to that making the fights twice as hard. And still a lot of people manage to complete these contents around here, so imagine what they could do with 30 ping?

The FFXIV Spanish speaking community is huge (Mexico here), the problem is that SE would likely have to translate the game to Spanish, which in all honestly I don't think will ever happen.

I'm not complain with current data centers though, as we are more than used to just playing in NA data centers, but would be nice to be considered given the huge amount of Spanish speaking folks playing the game.

I'm a brazilian that plays on Behemoth, that is considered the unofficial brazilian server... There's a lot of us, and I heard some people have this sentiment that they want a south american data center for better ping, but I really think that a south america datacenter would flop. Most people in brazil at least can't afford the subscription price, and I don't know how's the situation for the other south american countries. I never saw someone speak in spanish ingame, only english and portuguese is spoken openly at least on behemoth...



From what I heard the oceanic data center isn't doing too good, It's pretty low pop. I think it would be a waste of resources to have another dedicated region that will be isolated, at least until they open data center travel across regions. Many people would choose to stay on NA since speaking english isn't a very apparent problem. However, I do think the game should be translated to spanish. As much as I'd love to have the game translated to portuguese just to laugh at the localization, I think it's unrealistic. Way more people speak spanish.

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Originally Posted by Starshower

I'm a brazilian that plays on Behemoth, that is considered the unofficial brazilian server... There's a lot of us, and I heard some people have this sentiment that they want a south american data center for better ping, but I really think that a south america datacenter would flop. Most people in brazil at least can't afford the subscription price, and I don't know how's the situation for the other south american countries. I never saw someone speak in spanish ingame, only english and portuguese is spoken openly at least on behemoth...



From what I heard the oceanic data center isn't doing too good, It's pretty low pop. I think it would be a waste of resources to have another dedicated region that will be isolated, at least until they open data center travel across regions. Many people would choose to stay on NA since speaking english isn't a very apparent problem. However, I do think the game should be translated to spanish. As much as I'd love to have the game translated to portuguese just to laugh at the localization, I think it's unrealistic. Way more people speak spanish.

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Yeah, that's another thing that confuses most people, especially Americans is they do not understand a good portion of South America does not speak Spanish but rather Portuguese.

Let's play the Lambada and have people assume its Spanish lol

First of all, if it wouldn't end up running a loss for Square Enix, more Datacentres closer to more people are always better. So if at all profitable, Square Enix doing this would be great!

One of the problems in the way of this has already been brought up: The lack of a Spanish and Portuguese translation. As all translation is done in-house at Square, this would probably require them building up an entirely new Spanish and/or Portuguese localisation department at their offices in Japan. Not impossible, but it adds to the financial uncertainties already associated with a new DC.

A second factor is whether they believe the population in SA is sizeable enough to support a DC of their own. Since Oceania is, I find it hard to believe SA wouldn't also have enough potential players, so that one is probably the easiest to meet.

A third factor is regional pricing. The cost of running a DC is roughly the same no matter where they stand. You might save a bit on electricity depending on where you run it, but the main cost factor, the hardware itself, will be the same no matter where you put it. Some people here have already mentioned they'd like to see more fair pricing for the SA region if an official DC for SA were to be added, but since the "minus" part above the bottom line per DC is probably the same for Square Enix whether they put a DC in NA or SA, that means an SA DC will probably need more players to make its money back than an NA DC.

And lastly, as sad as it is, when looking at whether a new DC will be worth it, I doubt Square has much reason to look at people already playing the game on other DCs, since clearly those people have already arranged themselves with the situation, unfavourable though it may be. They are already paying subscription and a new DC will not see extra money be made from them.

One can only presume that one of these factors, be it the financial risk, or the internal localisation effort, currently scare Square Enix away from doing so.
It took the AU community years to convince them they were plenty enough and cared deeply enough about an Oceania Datacentre for it to finally happen. I can only presume it'll take just as much if not even more time to convince SE an SA DC might be in their best interests.

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Originally Posted by HisShadowX

Yeah, that's another thing that confuses most people, especially Americans is they do not understand a good portion of South America does not speak Spanish but rather Portuguese.

Let's play the Lambada and have people assume its Spanish lol

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Well, I think it's only 1 country (maybe 2?) but population wise maybe

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Originally Posted by HisShadowX

Yeah, that's another thing that confuses most people, especially Americans is they do not understand a good portion of South America does not speak Spanish but rather Portuguese.

Let's play the Lambada and have people assume its Spanish lol

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Brazil is the only country where Portuguese is the official language. Spanish and Portuguese are fairly close in numbers though, but Spanish is still the most spoken language and is the official language for the large majority of the countries in South America, so yes most people associate South America with Spanish. Its not a confusion, just a general fact.

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Originally Posted by Starshower

I'm a brazilian that plays on Behemoth, that is considered the unofficial brazilian server... There's a lot of us, and I heard some people have this sentiment that they want a south american data center for better ping, but I really think that a south america datacenter would flop. Most people in brazil at least can't afford the subscription price, and I don't know how's the situation for the other south american countries. I never saw someone speak in spanish ingame, only english and portuguese is spoken openly at least on behemoth...



From what I heard the oceanic data center isn't doing too good, It's pretty low pop. I think it would be a waste of resources to have another dedicated region that will be isolated, at least until they open data center travel across regions. Many people would choose to stay on NA since speaking english isn't a very apparent problem. However, I do think the game should be translated to spanish. As much as I'd love to have the game translated to portuguese just to laugh at the localization, I think it's unrealistic. Way more people speak spanish.

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Yeah I think my problem with comparing Lost Ark SA population vs FFXIV is that Lost Ark is FTP. It makes more sense that there would be bigger population compared to XIV by default. Many countries in SA or central wouldn't be able to afford the subscription. Having lived in El Salvador for a flash minute I think most people wouldn't even bother lol. Especially since subscription prices usually aren't regional IIRC.

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Originally Posted by TGk1ng

The year is 2022.

However, there is not yet a South American server. But the worst part is that we don't see prediction or just a word anywhere.

We are a gigantic community. A fanatical community, if not the most of all.

We deserve to be heard.
We understood before when they talked about the difficulty of establishing themselves in the region, but it has been almost 10 years. Other games came in the meantime and won a legion of worshipers.

Why can't Final Fantasy do the same?
We have what it takes to do better than them.

That's why I beg:

Please listen to us.

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Help with what?

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Originally Posted by BrokentoothMarch

It's a common issue with a few games. When I used to play DotA, we've had servers for every region including SA. However, their players would still pour into NA for some unfathomable reason. This also could be seen again at certain times in PoE and a few other games. SA, much like Russia, has developed the reputation of neglecting their own servers and instead claiming another as their own. This is comparable to what the English speakers did to Ship 2 of PSO2 back in the day, though an English version of the game didn't exist at the time.

I believe this is what they're referring to.

Anyways, it's unlikely to happen. As it has been mentioned, the population for SA players just isn't there, no matter how 'fanatical' you claim them to be.

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I actually saw this the other day, someone responded to me in chat in Lost Ark saying that my server was the "official spanish server" - which was news to me.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I actually saw this the other day, someone responded to me in chat in Lost Ark saying that my server was the "official spanish server" - which was news to me.

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Hence my comment. There's a lot of SA servers, yet mine is flooded to the brim with spanish speakers. Had no choice but to block them so i could read english only.