Post large amount of a crafted items on the MB

I have a hard time believing someone posting 2000 Grade 6 Tincture of Intelligence, 1000 of the Mind in stacks of 99 aren't bot crafting all those.

Just another day with XIV's screwed-up and largely unpoliced economy. Bans happen so infrequently that the few people who I know to have gotten banned already had replacement bots lined up so it didn't even matter in the long run.

The only positive is that it's easier to fight back against people selling items in massive stacks by just selling in smaller quantities...though regardless, it's not safe to assume high quantities = botting without digging deeper for more evidence.

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Originally Posted by Krojack

... in stacks of 99 aren't bot crafting all those.

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Have you never sat and macro crafted 33 times in a row?

From there, it's not hard to craft that 33 deep stack 10 times over.

I've done it often enough.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Have you never sat and macro crafted 33 times in a row?

From there, it's not hard to craft that 33 deep stack 10 times over.

I've done it often enough.

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Yes, all the time. It still takes a long time to craft 3k+ items.

My macro takes 50s to craft these, 55s if you want to include the pauses between macro and between crafts. That means it would take over 15 hours non-stop to craft 1000 times resulting in 3k total like this person seems to be posting.

So either someone doesn't have anything else to do in life, which is possible, or they bot. I'm leaning toward botting. It's never been this bad in this game, ever.

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Originally Posted by Krojack

I have a hard time believing someone posting 2000 Grade 6 Tincture of Intelligence, 1000 of the Mind in stacks of 99 aren't bot crafting all those.

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You underestimate the power of Saint of the Firmament holder :)

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Originally Posted by Krojack

t's never been this bad in this game, ever.

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From my personal experience, it's been gods-awful ever since Stormblood eased the crafting requirements/difficulty and got even worse once the Firmament enabled power-leveling of DoL/H professions. There are now "one and done" scripts that will basically take a fresh character with Firmament access and grind everything DoL/H from 1-80 with scarcely any input needed.

The same few people have been flooding Cactuar's MB with thousands of tinctures since that time and some of them are multi-boxing multiple bots to maximize efficiency and churn them out basically 24/7.

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Originally Posted by Krojack

Yes, all the time. It still takes a long time to craft 3k+ items.

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Yep, it does, but I am sure you, like I could, can do 5 batches of 33 without really getting bored. That's 500. Do that each day for a week. 3500. List as you go, or save and list at the end.

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It's never been this bad in this game, ever.

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Crafting is so simple to level, and EW made it even easier.

At this point I’d be more grateful if they let us set the amount of items to HQ-craft like how we set quick synth.

if you want sussy MB listings, here's my find from saturday night lol https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...66/unknown.png

tinctures ingredients aren't too hard to make, I believe, esp if you're buying up all the ingredients on the MB + fishing them out, spend all day crafting the tinctures and bam, you've got a lot. I'd just wonder why. Those things haven't been fast sellers in my experience

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Originally Posted by Padudu

if you want sussy MB listings, here's my find from saturday night lol https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...66/unknown.png

tinctures ingredients aren't too hard to make, I believe, esp if you're buying up all the ingredients on the MB + fishing them out, spend all day crafting the tinctures and bam, you've got a lot. I'd just wonder why. Those things haven't been fast sellers in my experience

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I do wonder... Who gonna bought 60 of that hair? :confused:

You'd be surprised what two individuals can do.

Two friends of mine once gathered for a whole week, and spend the following week crafting. Flooded the market with low price pots. They didn't want the Gil. They did it because 'we had nothing better to do'.

Needless to say, they got a bunch of tells from solo crafters that were not happy :rolleyes:
Crafters bought their low price pots and sold them again for a higher price.

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Originally Posted by Yeol

You'd be surprised what two individuals can do.

Two friends of mine once gathered for a whole week, and spend the following week crafting. Flooded the market with low price pots. They didn't want the Gil. They did it because 'we had nothing better to do'.

Needless to say, they got a bunch of tells from solo crafters that were not happy :rolleyes:
Crafters bought their low price pots and sold them again for a higher price.

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How did they get tells from unhappy solo crafters? The MB doesn't display char names, only retainer names no?

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Originally Posted by Chyro

How did they get tells from unhappy solo crafters? The MB doesn't display char names, only retainer names no?

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...16/unknown.png

Crafted items will have the crafter name at the very bottom.

You can see my character name under "Sells for 33 gil".

Oh right. .. forgot that little detail. (even though technically that could mean its a resold item crafted by someone other than the seller, but guess by huge amounts that would be unlikely xD)

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Yep, it does, but I am sure you, like I could, can do 5 batches of 33 without really getting bored. That's 500. Do that each day for a week. 3500. List as you go, or save and list at the end.

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That's still at least 17 hours for 7-10m gil. I wouldn't be bothered personally.

But anyway, it's not unbelievable that one person could craft a few thousand pots when bored over the week. I'm sure plenty of legitimate crafters do. But in a lot of cases it's not just a once-off few thousand pots, it's a constant steady supply, day after day, that adds up to tens of thousands and often across multiple worlds.

Bulk sellers should not automatically be suspected of being bots, but let's not pretend they don't exist.

The true issue here is obviously that it is not possible to place stacks in quantities of x999 on the MB.

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

I do wonder... Who gonna bought 60 of that hair? :confused:

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Possibly RMT sellers using advanced scripts/memory hacks to dupe items and this listing items like this so they can launder monies via a "legit" transaction between each others mule characters

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Originally Posted by Chyro

Oh right. .. forgot that little detail. (even though technically that could mean its a resold item crafted by someone other than the seller, but guess by huge amounts that would be unlikely xD)

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You underestimate the powers of stupid people who believed MB should operate under their idea of rules.
I had someone who can trace algoat horn back to me
He apparently is pissed at I am selling 20 a war at 495 Gil while he insists it should be 1000 gils 99 a set

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Originally Posted by Izar_Chillen

Possibly RMT sellers using advanced scripts/memory hacks to dupe items and this listing items like this so they can launder monies via a "legit" transaction between each others mule characters

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Dupe items via memory hacks? I don't think that stuff is client based I would find it incredibly unlikely that someone could dupe items. I doubt any of those exploits exist anymore.

That IS likely an attempt at "laundering" RMT though. Instead of trading the money to the person and throwing up red flags, they have the "buyer" put some garbage MB listing up and the seller purchases it.