This has always bothered me.

I know I'm talking to a brick wall, but there is someone who has at least 23 houses on my server. This is so insulting...

Cool, but there's not 'fixing' that.. like at all. If you want them to take their houses away, and have them reimburse this person, well that shows the team retcons previous rule sets.. which makes the playerbase overall loose faith in honorable team yoshi.


if you advocate it's cool that someone capitalized during the grandfathering time, you get hated by neo-housing advocates, you'll no longer be able to get jobs, will be stalked on social media, and get the russian sanctioning of the new era levied against you.. except on a ffxiv scale..


if you're not referring to a grandfathered house owner and suggesting someone that is paying for 23 content id's, and denying them a part of the "freedom" of such a purchase, well that's just plain wicked dude.


yes, brick wall remains. The real argument should be to honorable team yoshi to INCREASE SUPPLY.

That is the answer. Have a good day.

Hence just justifying the need for instanced housing. They can have their 23 houses and still not screw anyone over by doing that.

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Cool, but there's not 'fixing' that.. like at all. If you want them to take their houses away, and have them reimburse this person, well that shows the team retcons previous rule sets.. which makes the playerbase overall loose faith in honorable team yoshi.

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I've been playing since 2011, I don't care if they got grandfathered in or not. 23+ houses is excessive. Honorable team yoshi will be fine. "Reimbursement" can easily be made with in-game currency.

The definition of a 'you' problem.

Here in lies the issue.. (among many).

The development team's stance on this is ward housing or get bent. This is an issue. I think everyone here agrees.

They come off that, everything gets better. How they go about it? Not my issue. I can say if I owned multiple houses for whatever reason, and someone said a syllable to me about how jacked up that is, I'll do my absolute best to get you banned. And rightfully so.
Taking away what someone earned, for any reason, needs to be fought against, not just XIV, anywhere. If the government of any country was saying we're taking something I worked hard for? Well fortunately the country I live in gives me the right to own and purchase, and USE firearms to keep that from happening. I'm not advocating shooting or killing anyone here at all. But I will voice my concern. And my concern is, being at risk of having things I fought for taken away. It may start with little digital houses here, but oh, they decide to change the way gil is handled.. let's take x player's gil away.. once that happens, glams? You're not just inviting a slippery slope, but going at it for no reason. The problem is the supply. The method of clicking for hours on end is also a serious issue ( I never wanted to see that change or griped about it, I knew what I was getting into when I went for houses in the past), but the answer and even why that was implemented has always been the supply. The answer is not take away from someone, it is deal with the real issue, the supply.

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Here in lies the issue.. (among many).

The development team's stance on this is ward housing or get bent. This is an issue. I think everyone here agrees.

They come off that, everything gets better. How they go about it? Not my issue. I can say if I owned multiple houses for whatever reason, and someone said a syllable to me about how jacked up that is, I'll do my absolute best to get you banned. And rightfully so.
Taking away what someone earned, for any reason, needs to be fought against, not just XIV, anywhere. If the government of any country was saying we're taking something I worked hard for? Well fortunately the country I live in gives me the right to own and purchase, and USE firearms to keep that from happening. I'm not advocating shooting or killing anyone here at all. But I will voice my concern. And my concern is, being at risk of having things I fought for taken away. It may start with little digital houses here, but oh, they decide to change the way gil is handled.. let's take x player's gil away.. once that happens, glams? You're not just inviting a slippery slope, but going at it for no reason. The problem is the supply. The method of clicking for hours on end is also a serious issue ( I never wanted to see that change or griped about it, I knew what I was getting into when I went for houses in the past), but the answer and even why that was implemented has always been the supply. The answer is not take away from someone, it is deal with the real issue, the supply.

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Sounds like your problem with this lies well beyond the scope of FF XIV then, and that we can't help or reason with.

Dude, someone played a game, bought what they were entitled to..

Years pass. random dude # 48i43958345 comes along asking for someone to take away what someone legit earned. Whether through multiple accounts/grandfathering/whatever. I could flip the table on you like you think your'e doing on me, and say HEY you're being greedy at this point ot ask for something to be TAKEN AWAY wrongly from someone who earned what they got. That is pretty vulgar and disgusting. But you're too into modern-era liberalism to think about real life. Good luck dude. Welcome to my b-list.

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Dude, someone played a game, bought what they were entitled to..

Years pass. random dude # 48i43958345 comes along asking for someone to take away what someone legit earned. Whether through multiple accounts/grandfathering/whatever. I could flip the table on you like you think your'e doing on me, and say HEY you're being greedy at this point ot ask for something to be TAKEN AWAY wrongly from someone who earned what they got. That is pretty vulgar and disgusting. But you're too into modern-era liberalism to think about real life. Good luck dude. Welcome to my b-list.

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I mean, you could flip that table, but there wouldn't be any point. I've got a house. One. I know first hand how flawed and limited the system is. The issue is clearly supply at its core. That is one thing I can't really argue with. Fix the supply, fix the problem. It's that simple, on paper at least. But what you see as freedom and entitlement, I see as gaming the system and acting entitled.

There is no problem with my argument.

A problem (not "The" problem) is people saying take stuff away from people. What does that stem from? Supply. Increase supply. Answer. i-n-c-r-e-a-s-e s-u-p-p-l-y.

It is not a grey area.

It is not a topic that needs liberals social justice viruting.

It is simple. increase supply, stop advocating people need to be robbed of things they worked for.

If my response are bothering you, it is probably because they are informed, educated responses. Not I'm a jack ass.

There is substance. History, an actual education behind what I am telling you. Not "OH THE ANSWER IS HERP DERP" take away stuff.

Advocate to the developers to increase supply. When you calm down tomorrow and re-read what you're saying (if you even have the ability to do so), you will I am correct. Not incorrect with the take stuff away gaggle. but correct. I'm the probably less than 1% among the masses saying "herp derp take away stuff". And that doesn't even matter. 1 stood against many this day. And I hope you look at this when you go through puberty.

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Not I'm a jack ass.

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You claim not to be a jackass but then you say things like

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When you calm down tomorrow and re-read what you're saying (if you even have the ability to do so), you will I am correct. Not incorrect with the take stuff away gaggle. but correct. I'm the probably less than 1% among the masses saying "herp derp take away stuff". And that doesn't even matter. 1 stood against many this day. And I hope you look at this when you go through puberty.

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Reading your posts I think you're the one that needs to calm down and go outside. You're the only person in this whole thread who is getting bent out of shape. Maybe if you'd stop acting like a know-it-all, you might actually learn that this isn't liberal social justice viruting.

Theres nothing to discuss. The rules changed, and SE decided to let the people who owned multiple houses to keep theirs. You can't just petition to have them taken away years after the fact.

Ok.
Where are the manners in asking someone to take someone's things because they are bothered?

Where are the educated responses in just blatantly stating you believe someone's possessions should be taken by virtue of someone on the internet upset they own them?

I could be a bit more smooth for people, but nah, I think I'm stating what I'm saying an explicit enough way that will be remembered. It should be stated, I am never going to be ok or cowed into submission by dumb ass ideas like take things from people that earned them. Funny you are upset I assumed your age then immediately have to come back with an 'attack' on my age. Wah.

You people do nothing except for prove who and what you are about with every response. And I'm not like farming, and willing to say/state/do what it takes to stand against theft/lies/slander. And accusations. Read the thread again. In its entirety. You'll see I'm a bit more advanced than Herp derp steal stuff from people because angwy.

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Ok.
Where are the manners in asking someone to take someone's things because they are bothered?

Where are the educated responses in just blatantly stating you believe someone's possessions should be taken by virtue of someone on the internet upset they own them?

I could be a bit more smooth for people, but nah, I think I'm stating what I'm saying an explicit enough way that will be remembered. It should be stated, I am never going to be ok or cowed into submission by dumb ass ideas like take things from people that earned them. Funny you are upset I assumed your age then immediately have to come back with an 'attack' on my age. Wah.

You people do nothing except for prove who and what you are about with every response. And I'm not like farming, and willing to say/state/do what it takes to stand against theft/lies/slander. And accusations. Read the thread again. In its entirety. You'll see I'm a bit more advanced than Herp derp steal stuff from people because angwy.

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Nobody, and I mean nobody is taking anything you say seriously. I knew rabbits like to run, guess they like to run their mouths too.

Take photos of all the houses and report it. Maybe taking take a courtesy Lala dump on all their porches while your cat it to get the point across that what they are doing is not cool.

Seriously, take pictures and report the arsehole.

I'm confused, you mean they belong to 1 account or 23 accounts own by 1 dude?

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There's somebody who owned an entire ward in Goblet Spriggan server. And everyone was just simping around her saying it was ok if she had the money.

Like i don't understand LMAO. I'm very conscious of how many resources i use. I'd never do this any fellow players wanting a home.

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Any person who does that, especially know how short handed the amount of houses that are available is a complete arse hole in my book that deserves a temp ban ALL their houses taken away.

I believe people advocating to take houses away should be banned.

If you're going to advocate for that, advocate for more houses, or instanced housing. What you are asking for is for someone who played the game by the rules, to be banned, some time later after assurance they will be able to retain their houses. (if grandfathered).

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I believe people advocating to take houses away should be banned.

If you're going to advocate for that, advocate for more houses, or instanced housing. What you are asking for is for someone who played the game by the rules, to be banned, some time later after assurance they will be able to retain their houses. (if grandfathered).

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People are advocating for more houses. Or better: instanced housing, which would solve all of the issues we have if SE would just let go of this stupid neighborhood dream of theirs. Maybe not in this specific thread, but there have been numerous such advocates over the years all across various social media and forums.

People can also be rightly annoyed at selfish players gobbling up what they know is a limited and difficult-to-obtain resource that everyone wants. No one is saying take their houses away cold turkey - reimburse them all of the prices, the furnishings, whatever. But anyone saying it's okay for someone to own 23+ of a finite resource is just as selfish as the people hoarding houses, tbh.

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Theres nothing to discuss. The rules changed, and SE decided to let the people who owned multiple houses to keep theirs. You can't just petition to have them taken away years after the fact.

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Idt the OP is particularly petitioning tbf. Just reads more like a vent post because yeah that is a frustrating thing. Like I think we can all understand that they're grandfathered in and there's nothing to be done, doesn't change the fact that these days housing is uber limited, a huge topic of RMT and regular peeps who abide by the rules and want a home, simply can't get one with how limited they are. So seeing a person who owns half of a ward is just bound to get people frustrated

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I believe people advocating to take houses away should be banned.

If you're going to advocate for that, advocate for more houses, or instanced housing. What you are asking for is for someone who played the game by the rules, to be banned, some time later after assurance they will be able to retain their houses. (if grandfathered).

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We get it, you own multiple houses and your feelings are hurt that people dislike you for it. Go touch grass.

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We get it, you own multiple houses and your feelings are hurt that people dislike you for it. Go touch grass.

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No I don't own multiple houses, I own no houses. I've said this. Find some other whitty thing to say other than touch grass. btw, go brush your teeth.


(after edit) I think it's kind of telling you would come on here and say I'm a multi house owner to try and discredit a legitimate stance on a subject no one has done anything other than suggest TAKE SOMEONE'S HOUSES away, while I own no houses. It again highlights the type of person (people) you are. Learn how to have formed opinions, and learn how to stand beside that opinion. Good advice.

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People are advocating for more houses. Or better: instanced housing, which would solve all of the issues we have if SE would just let go of this stupid neighborhood dream of theirs. Maybe not in this specific thread, but there have been numerous such advocates over the years all across various social media and forums.

People can also be rightly annoyed at selfish players gobbling up what they know is a limited and difficult-to-obtain resource that everyone wants. No one is saying take their houses away cold turkey - reimburse them all of the prices, the furnishings, whatever. But anyone saying it's okay for someone to own 23+ of a finite resource is just as selfish as the people hoarding houses, tbh.

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No, the people here are advocating for taking things away, either with reimbursement or not, and also some suggesting multi-house owners should be banned (I'm gonna do the dumb thing and step out on this limb and assume they mean they ALSO don't get reimbursed for their houses/time/work). There are threads where some people do advocate (intelligently so) for more housing and or instanced housing as I also suggested as options in the very first response to this ridiculous thread. And I have been told my opinion is one no one agrees with. I'm also going to do the silly thing here and step out on the limb and say it's because i haven't been going out of my way to be polite to people who are threatening/suggesting/advocating to take someone's things away for any reason. I'll be real, I think that is disgusting and these people should be BANNED. If this is upsetting or causes you grief, cool. If not, also cool. But let's be real, where is it "cool" to say hey take someone's things away and the people advocating for it are already knowing the real issue is supply. I've already said it's supply, repeatedly.

That is the issue.

Not me. Not you. Square ENIX is the issue, along with it's inability to address the lack of supply. If you want to advocate for something, email them. report me, or whatever it is you people do to feel like you've accomplished something. Yes, I'm not nice. ALSO YES it's not nice to Advocate for taking something away from someone who received assurance they would not have their things taken away. Years ago.

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No I don't own multiple houses, I own no houses. I've said this. Find some other whitty thing to say other than touch grass. btw, go brush your teeth.

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This sure sounds like something a home owner would say, kinda sussy honestly.

Also I saw that edit.

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This sure sounds like something a home owner would say, kinda sussy honestly.

Also I saw that edit.

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The edit was to add in the response to the person below me, then to ALSO explain further that I don't own any houses. Search for my previous responses in this very thread. I mention there I own no houses.

Here is an edit.

I have said I own no houses in this very thread. I have repeatedly stated the issue is supply, and that I will stand up against EVERY SINGLE person advocating to take away housing. It seems MORE likely, you have NO intelligent recourse than OH HERP they must own a lot of houses so of course they will stand up and have defenses against our meaningless childish cries to take it away.

I HAVE owned multiple houses in the past, quit the game, and returned to it and just never bothered to get another house. I returned specifically for island sanctuaries, and the lottery system. I have multiple alts, each one owns an apt, i deco them. I enjoy that. I have NEVER once asked for anyone to take away a house so I can have a shot at getting one. That suggestion is horrible, and I think it bothers people when they sit back and rethink what they've asked for, or have a grown thinking adult tell them how stupid of an idea that is. Kind of like stupid trying to make sense with people who don't want to have sense in their life.

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dude you honestly sound like you're getting paid to defend the people who own half a ward lmao calm down

Dude, you are honestly sounding like a person who is part of a group on discord who is trying to get people's stuff taken away from them.

When you own an entire god dam ward, then you deserve to lose your houses.

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Dude, you are honestly sounding like a person who is part of a group on discord who is trying to get people's stuff taken away from them.

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LMAO from 2 posts in this thread? dang you got me all figured out, no wonder why they would hire you! hope it pays well!

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LMAO from 2 posts in this thread? dang you got me all figured out, no wonder why they would hire you! hope it pays well!

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No, I'm highlighting how ridiculous your accusation is. Hope the discord group is good.

You people asking for things to be taken away are the scum of the internet. And I hope you figure that out.

One thing with removing extras and compensation is how would SE judge what sufficient compensation is? There is the cost of the house. But what about decorations in it? Some of those may have been much more expensive in the past than they currently are. And what about labor time working on decorating? That's something SE can't give players back. For better or worse, SE decided to go with the grandfather step. Those they grandfathered in broke no rules before and SE has plugged the hole now. If they're getting around that restriction, by all means report. But if they're not breaking any of SE's current rules, where have they warranted a ban?

Does their decision suck for people now? Yes. But get mad at those responsible. And I'm going to agree with one point of Sauteed, that the focus should be on making housing not some limited commodity that has a set maximum, no matter if they keep increasing it or not, and instead become a system where everyone has access to it. Then this decision SE made will stop affecting other players.

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No, I'm highlighting how ridiculous your accusation is. Hope the discord group is good.

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idt you really highlighted anything other than the fact that people thinking that people who own like 20+ houses is unfair and selfish (which is their right to think so, btw, just like it is your right to think that its ok) is twisting some omega nerves in you lmao. ur right bro this entire thread except you is actually in a discord coalition to stop them homeowners from existing

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I think it's been pretty demonstrated in the forums at least that people are perfectly capable of doing both lol.

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idt you really highlighted anything other than the fact that people thinking that people who own like 20+ houses is unfair and selfish (which is their right to think so, btw, just like it is your right to think that its ok) is twisting some omega nerves in you lmao. ur right bro this entire thread except you is actually in a discord coalition to stop them homeowners from existing

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That is because you have not read the thread.

People advocating taking stuff away that has been assured will not be taken away is not a valid, cool or legitimate argument to make.

Advocating for more supply, or instanced housing is.

Suggesting banning somone for owning x amount of houses should be bannable.

Me saying you're part of a discord group is bogus insanity. I said it in this way, to highlight how INSANELY BOGUS your comment of me being bought and paid for by some group to defend them is.

That is insanely bogus, just like the nature of this thread, saying hey I'm bugged because people legit played this game and got things, I want them to lose them. Because I'm bothered. Wah.

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That is because you have not read the thread.

People advocating taking stuff away that has been assured will not be taken away is not a valid, cool or legitimate argument to make.

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you mean people who are frustrated that a single person can own over a dozen houses want it taken away from them especially while RMT house trade is rampant and SE drags their feet to do anything meaningful? Dang that's Crazy I would've never thought!

btw people have been asking for more housing, instanced housing, hell even more apartments for literally months and years now lmao. you even get the "but yoshi said they can add apartments at any time!" there's servers with 0% apartment availability and SE does.. nothing lmao.

really this is a product of welled up frustration. no one would care if someone owned a hundred houses if houses were easily obtainable, but they aren't, so here we are. people don't like seeing people essentially be hoarders with a limited supply, so what do you expect. not saying it's right, btw, but the frustration is understandable.

people saying they should be banned tho is just crazy & that I can agree with.

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to highlight how INSANELY BOGUS your comment of me being bought and paid for some group to defend them is.

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must be nice to be on that sort of copium huh

No copium here. More like, I've accurately pointed at ridiculousness and you have nothing but trying to accuse me of being some defendant for people who own multiple houses. It rather sounds like you're on copium here..

But in an effort to keep the thread on topic, I've said repeatedly (and even in the first response to this thread and in a few others) supply is the issue. Supply. Not the player base.

But no, it's more cool to point at the person here that is trying to keep this game from sliding off into hell by taking things away from other players because someone got upset and couldn't deal with an opposing and valid opinion.

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No copium here. More like, I've accurately pointed at ridiculousness and you have nothing but trying to accuse me of being some defendant for people who own multiple houses. It rather sounds like you're on copium here..

But in an effort to keep the thread on topic, I've said repeatedly (and even in the first response to this thread and in a few others) supply is the issue. Supply. Not the player base.

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lmao i never knew saying that you "sound" like something was a hard accusation, but go off. the point of the post is that you're coming off aggressively defensive for something you have supposedly 0 stakes in, not that you're genuinely being paid fam

and yeah I think everyone knows supply is the issue. the problem is that SE basically puts kid's bandages on any sort of fixes for housing.

https://i1.wp.com/gifrific.com/wp-co...Soda.gif?ssl=1

So about those new servers SE keeps bragging about, instance housing a possibility NOW?

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LMAO stop plsss you can't find petty internet arguing entertaining

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LMAO stop plsss you can't find petty internet arguing entertaining

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*Ports to Limsa Lower Decks*
You would be surprised!