2.0 PLEASE DELIVERRRR!

As 2.0 approaches and I look back at the time since launch, I could spend hours detailing the things i've hated in this game and I could spend a little less time talking about the things i've loved.
In the end, I would never have spent the amount of time I have spent on this game if I didn't have very high hopes for it (and i don't think im alone). Some days i'm certain the team is going to deliver... and other days, i'm worried this has all been for not. I don't want to move on to another mmorpg (we all know there are many). I want FFXIV to be great. This franchise has delivered some of the greatest all time moments in gaming history, please SE, deliver! Copy FF IV if you have to, Copy VI, Copy VII...i don't care. Just don't blow it! This is mainly a rant, but I really hope the entire FF team (online or not) realizes how much is at stake with this release...sack up and make this game the FF that everyone has been wanting for for soooo long. The potential is there!!!!! /endrant

It's going to be a World of Warcraft with beautiful graphics. Of course it'll deliver.

i feel that people should not get into too much of the hype 2.0 going to be awesome but it going to be missing a lot of stuff and it going to take a few patch to get all the stuff in at least the game would have no lag and no issue and the patch can come out sooner and sooner without much bugs vs 1.0 version of the game.

i just hope the content that has come out thus far, as impressive as its been given the circumstances, isn't par for the course. i would gladly stop playing at this point to take pressure off the dev team if it meant the release of 2.0 was off the charts good. Im just back to where I was pre FF XIV...expecting a lot, hoping its amazing. I'm not used to worrying that FF games will suck, but FF XIV at launch really bummed me and a lot of other faithful fans out. I'll probably play either way because I love the franchise so much, but I just really hope it exceeds expectations....and i'm occasionally worried that it wont ><

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Originally Posted by Risae

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I'm out.
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Originally Posted by Themule

i just hope the content that has come out thus far, as impressive as its been given the circumstances, isn't par for the course. i would gladly stop playing at this point to take pressure off the dev team if it meant the release of 2.0 was off the charts good. Im just back to where I was pre FF XIV...expecting a lot, hoping its amazing. I'm not used to worrying that FF games will suck, but FF XIV at launch really bummed me and a lot of other faithful fans out. I'll probably play either way because I love the franchise so much, but I just really hope it exceeds expectations....and i'm occasionally worried that it wont ><

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I don't really care what happen from 2.0 and on i just hope it does not become other wow-clone with the idea of raid finder and changing the bar to square it's like we don't really need to change the ui to the point that look like wow and the wow-clones try to be diff but still take in the idea if you know what i mean.

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Originally Posted by Themule

As 2.0 approaches and I look back at the time since launch, I could spend hours detailing the things i've hated in this game and I could spend a little less time talking about the things i've loved.
In the end, I would never have spent the amount of time I have spent on this game if I didn't have very high hopes for it (and i don't think im alone). Some days i'm certain the team is going to deliver... and other days, i'm worried this has all been for not. I don't want to move on to another mmorpg (we all know there are many). I want FFXIV to be great. This franchise has delivered some of the greatest all time moments in gaming history, please SE, deliver! Copy FF IV if you have to, Copy VI, Copy VII...i don't care. Just don't blow it! This is mainly a rant, but I really hope the entire FF team (online or not) realizes how much is at stake with this release...sack up and make this game the FF that everyone has been wanting for for soooo long. The potential is there!!!!! /endrant

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I dont think another WoW with FFXIV skin is what the MMO community actually wants. It may capture a niche audience, who knows. When you're up against Guild Wars 2, TERA, ArcheAge, Mabinogi2, etc., you better come prepared. FFXIV so far has graphics, but it always had that.

Nothing in 2.0 really stands out so far, feature-wise.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

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Aw but I thought that's what you always wanted.

I just hope they show off and do a big welcome back campaign.

This 10 day we have now has been an utter shame and a complete let down to some people, all my friends been unable to join my server, and forced to start on other servers. Due to this they cant do anything, everything requires so many people they were out of luck, and i couldn't even PL them. So they gave up hope completely and "maybe see in 2.0".

2.0 will be good for the most of us, but I believe very strongly it will still struggle to fetch in people if it doesn't prove itself, I feel ashamed when Yoshi says he wants us to tell our friends to come back (and as you can see, i tried that, and it made things worse).

Being a "Final Fantasy" title now means nothing due to the failure to begin with, and only the game itself can show that, fancy graphics is not going to win over people, especially when there is millions willing to play swtor/gw2/minecraft/wow etc and we all know their dont excel in graphics XD

Fortunately, there will not be this "Coming in 2.0", there will be no more "working on 1.x and 2.0 side by side", no more major overhauls and code limitations (To an extent). So hopefully they can focus on content. They also have the PS3.

I am slightly worried for 2.0, i know we've heard lots coming, but for me, its just words right now, I want to "SEE" it, words failed me in 1.0, so i cant rely on him saying this and that, something can sound great on paper but implementation is not so good.

I dont buy into the whole "be WoW but with an FF Twist", i dont think they will stoop this far because it will not help in anyway at all. There are plenty of these games around, they dont take over.

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Originally Posted by viion

I just hope they show off and do a big welcome back campaign.

This 10 day we have now has been an utter shame and a complete let down to some people, all my friends been unable to join my server, and forced to start on other servers. Due to this they cant do anything, everything requires so many people they were out of luck, and i couldn't even PL them. So they gave up hope completely and "maybe see in 2.0".

2.0 will be good for the most of us, but I believe very strongly it will still struggle to fetch in people if it doesn't prove itself, I feel ashamed when Yoshi says he wants us to tell our friends to come back (and as you can see, i tried that, and it made things worse).

Being a "Final Fantasy" title now means nothing due to the failure to begin with, and only the game itself can show that, fancy graphics is not going to win over people, especially when there is millions willing to play swtor/gw2/minecraft/wow etc and we all know their dont excel in graphics XD

Fortunately, there will not be this "Coming in 2.0", there will be no more "working on 1.x and 2.0 side by side", no more major overhauls and code limitations (To an extent). So hopefully they can focus on content. They also have the PS3.

I am slightly worried for 2.0, i know we've heard lots coming, but for me, its just words right now, I want to "SEE" it, words failed me in 1.0, so i cant rely on him saying this and that, something can sound great on paper but implementation is not so good.

I dont buy into the whole "be WoW but with an FF Twist", i dont think they will stoop this far because it will not help in anyway at all. There are plenty of these games around, they dont take over.

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everything requires so many people 8 man is really not a lot of people seeing how ffxi requires 18-36 players and Yoshi-p said that 2.0 would have alliance system if that means 3 party together that 24 players a good enough size for a endgame raid like he was thinking of 2+hours.

but i'm sure in 2.0 your friend can join you :( it suck that your world is close.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

everything requires so many people 8 man is really not a lot of people seeing how ffxi requires 18-36 players and Yoshi-p said that 2.0 would have alliance system if that means 3 party together that 24 players a good enough size for a endgame raid like he was thinking of 2+hours.

but i'm sure in 2.0 your friend can join you :( it suck that your world is close.

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Yeh true, does suck!

But just because XI needed 18-36 doesnt mean XIV should, XI has like 10 times the population XIV does, heck about 30 times more players at its peak... When you compare 4-5 thousand players online at a time compared to XIV's couple hundred, its tough to get things done.

Especially if you live in EU. I was thinking maybe i should have gone to Ragnarok but i heard its torture over there.

If you have hours and hours of your day to spend on game and live in either Japan or America you can pretty much be fine, but trust me your experience is different than a fair amount of other people.

Fortunately, unlike XI (early days), people shout for endgame content so you can get PUG, but ya know, it is just that, a PUG, not always very fun or successful.

I am really hoping they get on board with the whole "Difficulty Scaling" so you can do content without need a strict number of people.

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Originally Posted by viion

Yeh true, does suck!

But just because XI needed 18-36 doesnt mean XIV should, XI has like 10 times the population XIV does, heck about 30 times more players at its peak... When you compare 4-5 thousand players online at a time compared to XIV's couple hundred, its tough to get things done.

Especially if you live in EU. I was thinking maybe i should have gone to Ragnarok but i heard its torture over there.

If you have hours and hours of your day to spend on game and live in either Japan or America you can pretty much be fine, but trust me your experience is different than a fair amount of other people.

Fortunately, unlike XI (early days), people shout for endgame content so you can get PUG, but ya know, it is just that, a PUG, not always very fun or successful.

I am really hoping they get on board with the whole "Difficulty Scaling" so you can do content without need a strict number of people.

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ya sorry can't agree on this raids are going to be 25+ players it just the point of endgame right now we doing is not endgame it just random event like garrsion or bcnm stuff that ffxi had. Yoshi-p said they going to be alliance so that mean 24 man raids and he even said ishgard going to have a lot of players pve with dragons that the reason ishgard opening is delay to 2.0 so they can display more then 40 char at one time.

Remember that they be dungeon finder so people can log in and do a quick ifrit or moogle or a 8 man raid without issue or 4 man raid so i don't see that issue anymore but for endgame it should be more then 8,.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

ya sorry can't agree on this raids are going to be 25+ players it just the point of endgame right now we doing is not endgame it just random event like garrsion or bcnm stuff that ffxi had. Yoshi-p said they going to be alliance so that mean 24 man raids and he even said ishgard going to have a lot of players pve with dragons that the reason ishgard opening is delay to 2.0 so they can display more then 40 char at one time.

Remember that they be dungeon finder so people can log in and do a quick ifrit or moogle or a 8 man raid without issue or 4 man raid so i don't see that issue anymore but for endgame it should be more then 8,.

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You have no proof or source on the number of people it will be, or how big an alliance will be. I am pretty sure this has not been confirmed. You also dont know if content will scale or not, or even how it will work.

In GW2 dragon fights can hold 300 people, but do you need that? lol no, because everyone joins in, and it scales. So regardless of who is online, you can at least do it. This is the future. Being able to do shit!

That said, it doesnt matter what you say, you're missing the point that current the game has nearly no players, and if it doesnt step up to have anymore in 2.0, then having 25-30+ people content will just either fail or require same community results as it did was in XI.

In XI, during its prime you could do Dynamis and all end-game content with your LS, then as things died and people got richer, people made shells specifically for Dynamis, and hosted it themselfs. Players had to sort this out, so that might happen again, infact i guarantee it will happen as we already see it similar now with the shout PUG for everything in XIV, having a "endgame".

If the game starts making content requiring lots of people when it doesnt have the population to sustain this, you will begin to alienate a lot of your player base, firstly with Casuals.

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Originally Posted by viion

You have no proof or source on the number of people it will be, or how big an alliance will be. I am pretty sure this has not been confirmed. You also dont know if content will scale or not, or even how it will work.

In GW2 dragon fights can hold 300 people, but do you need that? lol no, because everyone joins in, and it scales. So regardless of who is online, you can at least do it. This is the future. Being able to do shit!

That said, it doesnt matter what you say, you're missing the point that current the game has nearly no players, and if it doesnt step up to have anymore in 2.0, then having 25-30+ people content will just either fail or require same community results as it did was in XI.

In XI, during its prime you could do Dynamis and all end-game content with your LS, then as things died and people got richer, people made shells specifically for Dynamis, and hosted it themselfs. Players had to sort this out, so that might happen again, infact i guarantee it will happen as we already see it similar now with the shout PUG for everything in XIV, having a "endgame".

If the game starts making content requiring lots of people when it doesnt have the population to sustain this, you will begin to alienate a lot of your player base, firstly with Casuals.

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if yoshi-p need more then 40 char display at once that added the mobs how many people you think it going to be? I understand the need for casual but sadly this is a mmo there people who don't want to waste there time doing 4-8man boring raids when they could come out with a fun 24+man raid.

I'm sure they release more casual events but yoshi-p said many time he want to add stuff that = more player base and the idea of free company the point of it all is to have raids and events to be done with more players.

anyways we should get back on topic.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

if yoshi-p need more then 40 char display at once that added the mobs how many people you think it going to be? I understand the need for casual but sadly this is a mmo there people who don't want to waste there time doing 4-8man boring raids when they could come out with a fun 24+man raid.

I'm sure they release more casual events but yoshi-p said many time he want to add stuff that = more player base and the idea of free company the point of it all is to have raids and events to be done with more players.

anyways we should get back on topic.

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The 40 display also includes mobs, this is why you cant have big beastmen forts or massive raids, because the display is both PC and NPC. (Even some Environment Objects are PCs).

That is why you need more than 40.

But the Content finder be in place, so hopefully that might work. Maybe, if the population right rises. Right not it wouldnt, just like the search function doesnt work lol. (it works functionally, people just dont use it).

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

Aw but I thought that's what you always wanted.

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Man, why would anyone want this to be like every other blasted MMO on the market?
You're right. 2.0 displays a better XIV, but it lacks anything really distinct feature wise besides perhaps being able to switch jobs at nearly any given point.

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Originally Posted by viion

The 40 display also includes mobs, this is why you cant have big beastmen forts or massive raids, because the display is both PC and NPC. (Even some Environment Objects are PCs).

That is why you need more than 40.

But the Content finder be in place, so hopefully that might work. Maybe, if the population right rises. Right not it wouldnt, just like the search function doesnt work lol. (it works functionally, people just dont use it).

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at the end it's a online game i don't want to play with only 7 other players i want to fight a raid with 24+ players or even a event that take up to 36 playes it just fun playing with more then 7 other players and i'm sure that going to happen in ffxiv. Yoshi-p have said it many time so i don't see why not :) can't wait for it.

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Originally Posted by Risae

It's going to be a World of Warcraft with beautiful graphics. Of course it'll deliver.

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If it is, XIV is doomed.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

at the end it's a online game i don't want to play with only 7 other players i want to fight a raid with 24+ players or even a event that take up to 36 playes it just fun playing with more then 7 other players and i'm sure that going to happen in ffxiv. Yoshi-p have said it many time so i don't see why not :) can't wait for it.

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Oh i completely agree, but again, it depends weather SE want to make a few people happy, or everyone happy.

Scalable content is the way to go, you can go in with 40 people, and it be hard as hell, with giant mobs and more mobs and all that jizz jam, or you can go in with 5 people and still be able to do it, as it scales.

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Originally Posted by viion

Oh i completely agree, but again, it depends weather SE want to make a few people happy, or everyone happy.

Scalable content is the way to go, you can go in with 40 people, and it be hard as hell, with giant mobs and more mobs and all that jizz jam, or you can go in with 5 people and still be able to do it, as it scales.

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ya but yoshi-p said many time he want to add more content that = more people that the point of the new tool that allow to display more players and mobs. making casual players happy is ok but they dont' last long yoshi-p need to make hardcore player happy also which would play this game for years too come like myself who play ffxi for 6year and going to play ffxiv too there a new ff online game.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

ya but yoshi-p said many time he want to add more content that = more people that the point of the new tool that allow to display more players and mobs. making casual players happy is ok but they dont' last long yoshi-p need to make hardcore player happy also which would play this game for years too come like myself who play ffxi for 6year and going to play ffxiv too there a new ff online game.

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That is fine, but you and the minority like you dont pay the bills that SE Meet, so they have to compromise somewhere and make something for everyone. Still there is no reason for it. GW2 you can go in 200-300 battle fights without needing a single person because of that particular fight is made, so players, casual or hardcore can both experience something difficult, requiring a lot of people, but not be scarified to have to play the game like it is a job.

And Yoshi wants more open world stuff, not so much instanced, just like a fair amount does, but that doesnt mean you HAVE to have a full pt of 35 to complete..

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Originally Posted by viion

That is fine, but you and the minority like you dont pay the bills that SE Meet,

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Now wait just a minute there. Core gamers might be in the 'minority', but they tend to stick with things longer. And for an MMO, committed players are its strongest asset. That's partly why SWtoR is doing so poorly at the moment. Many casual players have moved on.

Now I have the Meowmix theme in my head.

2.0 will be 1.0 with new servers and maps, maybe a little more (U.I. updates, etc). Don't expect much. You should have high expectations for the first expansion (if there is one) for post-2.0.

Just my 2 cents.

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Originally Posted by viion

That is fine, but you and the minority like you dont pay the bills that SE Meet, so they have to compromise somewhere and make something for everyone. Still there is no reason for it. GW2 you can go in 200-300 battle fights without needing a single person because of that particular fight is made, so players, casual or hardcore can both experience something difficult, requiring a lot of people, but not be scarified to have to play the game like it is a job.

And Yoshi wants more open world stuff, not so much instanced, just like a fair amount does, but that doesnt mean you HAVE to have a full pt of 35 to complete..

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it seem your like to solo or do stuff with little amount of player sadly this is a mmo and should be playing with more then 8 player and it going to be like that because even casual games like wow have raids that have over 25 players. Also a person who pay for 6years vs a casual player that play on and off which would you take? they both pay the game but the hardcore player is a long time paying for the game.

I'm sure they release more casual stuff but at the end this is a MMO and endgame would mean 25+ players.

Also with dungeon finder casual players can log in and do a ifrit or moogle or a 8 man raid with anyone in every world so i don't see a issue with that but for 25+raids it going to be done with free company just like the guild system in wow.

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Originally Posted by Gidonoidon_Sur

2.0 will be 1.0 with new servers and maps, maybe a little more (U.I. updates, etc). Don't expect much. You should have high expectations for the first expansion (if there is one) for post-2.0.

Just my 2 cents.

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Lol, so basically theyre giving us an expansion pack 1 year late and calling it Version 2.0?

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

Lol, so basically theyre giving us an expansion pack 1 year late and calling it Version 2.0?

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No he saying that don't get your hopes up for just a update when you really need to get your hope up for a expansion pack for ffxiv.

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

Lol, so basically they're giving us an expansion pack 1 year late and calling it Version 2.0?

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Are you just finding this out now? I wouldn't label the new server structure and engine as a simple expansion pack though...or late considering everything 2.0 is relatively on time so far.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Are you just finding this out now? I wouldn't label the new server structure and engine as a simple expansion pack though...or late considering everything 2.0 is relatively on time so far.

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Well, expansion packs usually come out sooner than 2 years after release, so that's why it would be late.

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