Unreal Savage Raid Tiers

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02-03-2022, 09:52 AM
grinkdaboy

Unreal Savage Raid Tiers

similar to how unreal trials were, i think it would be cool if they made unreal savage. take like fights from different tiers and smush them together, like

e5s, a10s, o11s, t8 (nael)

or just take old raid tiers and scale them up so it'd just be a1-a4, etc

i think it would be a cool thing to have for both new and old players, for example, i started playing towards the end of stormblood and wasn't quite good enough to get into raiding and so i got carried through o9s and o10s
02-03-2022, 10:11 AM
Stepjam

I dunno how much of an audience it would have unless they came up with some cool rewards, but I think it would be cool. I'd like to be able to run alphascape again, that was a fun tier.
02-03-2022, 12:27 PM
Jeeqbit

I think it should just be a daily or weekly challenge that rotates the way Frontline does. Switching it every 4 months would be too slow.
02-03-2022, 07:47 PM
JamieRose

Thank you, but no. Unreal was hard enough, we don't need another tier of content that 90% of people won't get to complete.
02-03-2022, 08:56 PM
Tigerlilley

I have a suspicion Unreal was a mini test for the stat squish. If they did bring it out again, it would be nice to have more than one fight a patch. Everyone got so bored of it so quickly
02-03-2022, 09:12 PM
Xaphire

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

Thank you, but no. Unreal was hard enough, we don't need another tier of content that 90% of people won't get to complete.

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Unreal wasn't hard though? It wasn't much different from doing the extreme versions of the fight when they first launched.
02-03-2022, 09:37 PM
zcrash970

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Originally Posted by Xaphire

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Unreal wasn't hard though? It wasn't much different from doing the extreme versions of the fight when they first launched.

Anything that requires thought or awareness is too hard for a lot of people sadly
02-03-2022, 09:43 PM
Kaurhz

If they can put substantial rewards behind each tier such as unique mounts, gear and glamour itself then I can see it being a really good thing for people to do. Be it as another source of gear, or for collecting purposes. Unreal at the moment is great but the major flaw with it at the moment is that it is 1 trial you do each week and the only reward you get from it is Faux, which is a weekly gated thing. If they could add some solid replay value to it beyond a weekly dance then it'd be nice.

I loved doing Unreal Shiva and Unreal Titan, but I just didn't see much value in doing them more than just the once. The game has plenty of daily/weekly routine objectives and tasks to do already.
02-03-2022, 10:18 PM
Hanayumi

Id be more interested in unreal 24m raids, crystal tower and mach get destroyed to fast now especially with base weapon damage not being syncd, so theres a lot of fun mechanics some folks have just never seen...
02-04-2022, 12:56 AM
Xuled

Uh.. it’s not a bad idea but realize the overall community can’t do basic savages (currently P1S-4S) properly. This is just asking for another headache similar to Mentor roulette.
02-04-2022, 01:56 AM
LittleImp

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Originally Posted by Xaphire

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Unreal wasn't hard though? It wasn't much different from doing the extreme versions of the fight when they first launched.

Personally I felt Shiva Unreal (the only one I ever did, to be fair) was incredibly over-tuned for what it was meant to be. Unreal felt like it was meant to appeal to a more casual audience and ended up initially attracting a lot of casual players when it released, who proceeded to get demolished by the DPS check. It almost felt like the devs had play-tested it in on-ilevel melded gear, failing to understand that most people would be doing it in downscaled gear with ignored melds.
02-04-2022, 03:01 AM
VerdeLuck

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

If they can put substantial rewards behind each tier such as unique mounts, gear and glamour itself then I can see it being a really good thing for people to do. Be it as another source of gear, or for collecting purposes. Unreal at the moment is great but the major flaw with it at the moment is that it is 1 trial you do each week and the only reward you get from it is Faux, which is a weekly gated thing. If they could add some solid replay value to it beyond a weekly dance then it'd be nice.

I loved doing Unreal Shiva and Unreal Titan, but I just didn't see much value in doing them more than just the once. The game has plenty of daily/weekly routine objectives and tasks to do already.

The problem with putting mounts and glams behind it is the Unreals are only around for a limited time then disappear forever.
The Developers said if you don't feel like you have anything more to do you should be able to unsub and come back months or years later to play everything you missed as a chunk of content. Having a limited number of weeks to grind out a mount before the fight is just gone forever is something that directly conflicts with it. Even savage raids stick around and you can earn the rewards long after the rest of the raiding community has moved on.
02-04-2022, 03:12 AM
Ardeth

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

Id be more interested in unreal 24m raids, crystal tower and mach get destroyed to fast now especially with base weapon damage not being syncd, so theres a lot of fun mechanics some folks have just never seen...

I would never in a 1000 years do this content, but it sounds super fun to be honest. It's also super easy to code since the stuff has mechanics they just hit for like negative damage. Just crank it up. Like min ilvl Praetorium where Gaius 1 shots you off of the elevator.
02-04-2022, 03:56 AM
Gemina

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Originally Posted by zcrash970

Anything that requires thought or awareness is too hard for a lot of people sadly

And what leads you to this assessment? And based on that assessment, players who could not clear an unreal trial are what? _______________

Fill in the blank please. I wonder what the clear rates on the three unreal trials so far have been. Very curious indeed.
02-04-2022, 04:14 AM
Kandraxx

Your idea is literally like bringing an MMA cage to a pony show…

It‘s already hard enough to get people for the current ‘hard’ content (which it not even is measured in WoW mythic/old heroic standards), as most people clearly play for the MSQ/house/gold saucer/crafting simulator/glamour….basically everything where the gameplay itself isn’t even touched…
02-04-2022, 04:30 AM
Kaurhz

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

The problem with putting mounts and glams behind it is the Unreals are only around for a limited time then disappear forever.
The Developers said if you don't feel like you have anything more to do you should be able to unsub and come back months or years later to play everything you missed as a chunk of content. Having a limited number of weeks to grind out a mount before the fight is just gone forever is something that directly conflicts with it. Even savage raids stick around and you can earn the rewards long after the rest of the raiding community has moved on.

To be honest, this is the whole flaw with the design of it. I personally don't think it should be a limited-time event but either make additions to it through the months and retain the duties, or just rework the system so you can get tokens and such for multiple clears and then trade those, irrespective of the fight you clear. My main point really is that all the system amounted to was another weekly obligation which it has much more potential for. Or just find a way to naturally embed the scaling functionality into all duties. It'd be a massive undertaking, probably, especially for older content but it'd help breathe some more life into the game as far as lower end content is concerned.
04-16-2022, 05:55 PM
Jgarcia

Ah, I see what they mean JamieRose. You just don't play well at all.
04-16-2022, 09:06 PM
IdowhatIwant

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Originally Posted by Stepjam

I dunno how much of an audience it would have unless they came up with some cool rewards, but I think it would be cool. I'd like to be able to run alphascape again, that was a fun tier.

You would be surprised. I think from the latest census, some DCs had about 46% of level 90 players that completed both normal and savage raids this expansion.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I think it should just be a daily or weekly challenge that rotates the way Frontline does. Switching it every 4 months would be too slow.

I would say weekly or monthly. Monthly would be better for getting consistant updates for rewards. It isn't uncommon for most MMOs to perform weekly maintenance on reset days.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

If they can put substantial rewards behind each tier such as unique mounts, gear and glamour itself then I can see it being a really good thing for people to do. Be it as another source of gear, or for collecting purposes. Unreal at the moment is great but the major flaw with it at the moment is that it is 1 trial you do each week and the only reward you get from it is Faux, which is a weekly gated thing. If they could add some solid replay value to it beyond a weekly dance then it'd be nice.

I loved doing Unreal Shiva and Unreal Titan, but I just didn't see much value in doing them more than just the once. The game has plenty of daily/weekly routine objectives and tasks to do already.

This 100% it could even be an alternate way to gear up for savage / ultimate, or give a unique set of glamour gear. Sadly though if it were to be anything that is glamour related, they would not update the content often because asking the devs to make a gear set every month that would never happen, they make like 2 maybe 3 gear sets every 4 months as is. In all honesty though, if they put forth the effort once they have all the unreals done and gear sets made, it would just be a matter of rotating them. Unreal trails should rotate monthly as well, it feels like that content does not get much love.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

And what leads you to this assessment? And based on that assessment, players who could not clear an unreal trial are what? _______________

Fill in the blank please. I wonder what the clear rates on the three unreal trials so far have been. Very curious indeed.

players who could not clear an unreal trial are not participating, or lazy and don't learn to play the game. It boils down to those two things for everything in reality. Clear rate is likely higher than you would expect, participation is probably lower than you would expect due to rewards and what not.

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Originally Posted by Kandraxx

Your idea is literally like bringing an MMA cage to a pony show…

It‘s already hard enough to get people for the current ‘hard’ content (which it not even is measured in WoW mythic/old heroic standards), as most people clearly play for the MSQ/house/gold saucer/crafting simulator/glamour….basically everything where the gameplay itself isn’t even touched…

I would not say that is entirely true, but it also depends on your data center. While Aether DC has a lot more participation around 46% in harder content, I think one of the NA DCs had about a 4% participation.