Causal to Ninja

Before EW, I used to replace aeolian edge with armor crush, 1) it clears a hotkey slot 2)it extends huton 3) it's 20 potency difference.

Now we have huraijin, it refresh huton to max duration anyway. So I removed armor crush and only use aeolian edge.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/ninja/

Right off the bat you should be able to see that Armor Crush's combo potency is a whopping 140 potency higher than Huraijin's 200 potency, and 200 potency higher when executed from the flank.

I'm not some Ninja guru, but the only reason I could see someone using Huraijin is if they just died and need to reapply Huton asap or after a phase transition/boss coming back from being unable to target them.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/ninja/

Right off the bat you should be able to see that Armor Crush's combo potency is a whopping 140 potency higher than Huraijin's 200 potency, and 200 potency higher when executed from the flank.

I'm not some Ninja guru, but the only reason I could see someone using Huraijin is if they just died and need to reapply Huton asap or after a phase transition/boss coming back from being unable to target them.

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I am also not a DDR main, but from looking at various Ninja threads and discussion topics, it has been made clear to me that using Hurajin in standard rotation is trolling of the highest order.

i mean... if you like me who just play it casually doing pug run, duty roulette, etc. sure huraijin is perfect for it, i doubt anyone will mind if you doing casual stuff.

on savage stuff though... eh thats up to you, i've seen people sensitive to this kind of stuff so i cant say.

Ok, I hope I never have you in my groups.
Dunno what the point of this thread was.

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Originally Posted by gumas

i mean... if you like me who just play it casually doing pug run, duty roulette, etc. sure huraijin is perfect for it, i doubt anyone will mind if you doing casual stuff.

on savage stuff though... eh thats up to you, i've seen people sensitive to this kind of stuff so i cant say.

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If you have the OP's mindset and go into Savage, please don't.
It's a waste of everyones time.
It's not about being sensitive there is a reason why people expect you to have melds and food buffs too, and chances are that if you do this kinda stuff that you're also not bothering with a lot of other stuff too.

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Originally Posted by LitheSuxman

Before EW, I used to replace aeolian edge with armor crush, 1) it clears a hotkey slot 2)it extends huton 3) it's 20 potency difference.

Now we have huraijin, it refresh huton to max duration anyway. So I removed armor crush and only use aeolian edge.

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Um... congrats, I guess?

If you're looking for validation, it's your sub so do whatever you want. It's not a good way to play in terms of performance, so you'll have to decide what's important to you (and others). The last thing I'd suggest is to try out some different classes - healers in particular have fewer buttons (maybe not AST) and simpler choices/rotations (since FF14 damage tends to be pretty regular/predictable).

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Ok, I hope I never have you in my groups.
Dunno what the point of this thread was.



If you have the OP's mindset and go into Savage, please don't.
It's a waste of everyones time.
It's not about being sensitive there is a reason why people expect you to have melds and food buffs too, and chances are that if you do this kinda stuff that you're also not bothering with a lot of other stuff too.

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The point is for causal playstyle, the new skill removes the need of a flank positional. And because you only need to rebuff once every minute, you stick at the boss' rear and reduce chance of failing positionals, just that.
I don't know what makes you think your group is something that would appeal to me though, maybe it does, but not with people like you in it, just FYI, and this is the point of the second sentence in case you also need to ask.

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Originally Posted by Equitable_Remedy

It's not a good way to play in terms of performance, so you'll have to decide what's important to you (and others). The last thing I'd suggest is to try out some different classes - healers in particular have fewer buttons (maybe not AST) and simpler choices/rotations (since FF14 damage tends to be pretty regular/predictable).

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Very true, which makes me develop different playstyles, NIN is one of my favorite jobs, I play it in group content whenever I want to rest my brain and just enjoy the mechanics and scenary.

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Originally Posted by LitheSuxman

The point is for causal playstyle, the new skill removes the need of a flank positional. And because you only need to rebuff once every minute, you stick at the boss' rear and reduce chance of failing positionals, just that.
I don't know what makes you think your group is something that would appeal to me though, maybe it does, but not with people like you in it, just FYI, and this is the point of the second sentence in case you also need to ask.

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The reason people seem sort of horrified at what you are saying you do is how much of a loss Hurajin is over doing a proper rotation. Even in casual content, it slows things down.

You do you, just understand why someone would be unhappy if they saw you doing this in a party.

Imagine being a DPS that actively chooses to gimp their own damage for no discernible reason. Absolutely bonkers.

Dont worry i assure you you will never see me in savage, there is reason why i avoid savage like a plague and this is one of the reason, iam just talking about casual and i already got "i hope i never have you in my group" response, its why i avoid savage, avoid people who demand 120% perfection during play or else, which i cant.

And this is only "talk", i cant imagine how this will go if it happen in the middle of savage party.

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Originally Posted by gumas

Dont worry i assure you you will never see me in savage, there is reason why i avoid savage like a plague and this is one of the reason, iam just talking about casual and i already got "i hope i never have you in my group" response, its why i avoid savage, avoid people who demand 120% perfection during play or else, which i cant.

And this is only "talk", i cant imagine how this will go if it happen in the middle of savage party.

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I don't do savage and rarely do extremes, but the idea of not wanting to see absolutely fat numbers just perplexes me. It's like picking up a Greatsword in Monster Hunter then only using the kick because you just want to relax and not lop some monster's tail right off.

Toxic casualism at it's finest...

Just as others don't pay your sub, you don't pay theirs. Willingly gimping your DPS, and on a job that you actually like (not just level), is being incredibly selfish. You literally waste time of other 3-7 platers, or even risk failing a fight, simply becasuse you are lazy. I get that other posters here try to be nice, but someone had to say it directly.

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Originally Posted by gumas

Dont worry i assure you you will never see me in savage, there is reason why i avoid savage like a plague and this is one of the reason, iam just talking about casual and i already got "i hope i never have you in my group" response, its why i avoid savage, avoid people who demand 120% perfection during play or else, which i cant.

And this is only "talk", i cant imagine how this will go if it happen in the middle of savage party.

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Funny thing is, people who talk badly the most about others are those self proclaimed casuals. Savage players are the "normal" people here and much less toxic than "you don'y pay my sub" crowd who makes tank burn all CDs on signle trash pull. Nobody requires perfection. If anything, people simply expect other players to, you know, WANT to play the game and not be carried while facerolling their keyboard? When you go play football/soccer with friends, you usually expect they will play the ball you pass to them and generally do their best to win, right?

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Originally Posted by HyperSMB

The reason people seem sort of horrified at what you are saying you do is how much of a loss Hurajin is over doing a proper rotation. Even in casual content, it slows things down.

You do you, just understand why someone would be unhappy if they saw you doing this in a party.

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An neglectable dps loss is what I expected, I am quite curious if you perhaps know a way to calculate the % difference in overall damage between
1) Spinning->Gust-> Aeolian & Huraijin (every 60second);
2) Spinning->Gust-> Aeolion & Spinning->Gust->Armor (Every30s)

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

I don't do savage and rarely do extremes, but the idea of not wanting to see absolutely fat numbers just perplexes me. It's like picking up a Greatsword in Monster Hunter then only using the kick because you just want to relax and not lop some monster's tail right off.

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Not trying to reply in her defense, but by your logic, people that buy sport cars should disregard all speed limits because they should want to see absolutely fat numbers on their panels.
Obviously that's not how most people drive, it maybe is your way though.

Joke aside, people play however they want in pug, even in pug extreme, people make mistakes all the time, most people play video games for fun I presume, and fun is subjective, just like the way you choose to maximize your damage 24/7 and maybe driving.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/ninja/

Right off the bat you should be able to see that Armor Crush's combo potency is a whopping 140 potency higher than Huraijin's 200 potency, and 200 potency higher when executed from the flank.

I'm not some Ninja guru, but the only reason I could see someone using Huraijin is if they just died and need to reapply Huton asap or after a phase transition/boss coming back from being unable to target them.

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Correct me if I'm wrong.
For the sake of this calculation, presume skill recast is 2.00s and run on a duration of 120s
Neglect all OGCD such as nintsusu & presume huton is already up at 0s
Aeolian Edge combo potency= Spinning edge -> Gust Slash - > Aeolian Edge combo = 210+320+420 =950
Armor Crush combo potency = Spinning edge -> Gust Slash -> Armor Crush = 210+320+400 = 930
Since a combo has 3 skills, that equals to exactly 6s, so 5 combos every 30s
So if we use both combos in a rotation:
0 0
30s 950x4+930 = 4730
60s "
90s "
120s "
Total: 18920 potency (4730x4)
If we only use Aeolian Edge combo and mix in a Huraijin every 60s:
*For simple math, let's completely remove the Aeolian Edge from the one combo right after casting Huraijin to keep the skill cast time frame consistent at 6s
A Huraijin Combo: Huraijin -> Spinning Edge -> Gust Slash = 200 + 210 + 320 = 730
0 0
30s 950x5 = 4750
60s 950x4+730 = 4530
90s 950x5 = 4750
120s 950x4+730 = 4530
Total: 18560 potency

So in 120s, the potency loss for not using the armor crush combo is 18920 - 18560 = 360 or 0.02 (0.019)%
In current savage content a 2% damage loss is impactful, but in those matches people also pick which jobs get to join because of extreme optimization.
In the rest of the game, meaning PUG and solo content, a 2% damage loss is trivial compared to knowledge of boss mechanics, ability to weave, and your positionals, let alone job (in)balances.
In 120s, if you use both combos on a boss that requires positioning and miss one positional, the overall potency will drop by 60, meaning in 120s if you miss 6 positionals (6x60=360), you wasted your effort positioning.
And don't forget this is a lazy calculation that completely removes one Aeolian edge in every 60s window/

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Originally Posted by LitheSuxman

An neglectable dps loss is what I expected, I am quite curious if you perhaps know a way to calculate the % difference in overall damage between
1) Spinning->Gust-> Aeolian & Huraijin (every 60second);
2) Spinning->Gust-> Aeolion & Spinning->Gust->Armor (Every30s)

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Pretty easily actually. Every three Hurajins you use drops a full Aeolian combo. You get slightly offset by getting an Aeolian Edge over an Armor Crush. This equates to 330 potency over 3m, which is effectively undoing the Hyosho buff. Basically about a 0.8-1% drop.

The thing is, when you factor in just using Armor Crush when you’re forced on a flank anyways you’d lose more damage relative to that.

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Originally Posted by gumas

Dont worry i assure you you will never see me in savage, there is reason why i avoid savage like a plague and this is one of the reason, iam just talking about casual and i already got "i hope i never have you in my group" response, its why i avoid savage, avoid people who demand 120% perfection during play or else, which i cant.

And this is only "talk", i cant imagine how this will go if it happen in the middle of savage party.

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I was talking about the OP while responding to you I dunno how you play.
Expecting people to put in the absolute bare minimum effort of actually doing their rotation properly and having melded gear and food buffs is not expecting 120% perfection.
All it takes is one person being a problem and that one person will waste the time of everyone else in the group.

Yes it's completely fair to expect people to not intentionally gimp their damage in Savage, it's not toxic and elitist or whatever if anything it's the reverse and it's toxic to go in not putting in effort out of laziness.
It's extremely infuriating to be stuck in the same fight endlessly because you keep having one or two people every group who aren't pulling their weight, and it's not even a lot of weight to pull in reality.

And again if someone isn't even bothering with this then why would I trust them to bother with other stuff?
I think that the OP's attitude says something more than only Aeolian Edge vs Armor Crush I think it goes beyond that and it's a fair assumption to make, rarely do people just have this one exception usually it goes beyond.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

I don't do savage and rarely do extremes, but the idea of not wanting to see absolutely fat numbers just perplexes me. It's like picking up a Greatsword in Monster Hunter then only using the kick because you just want to relax and not lop some monster's tail right off.

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I don't rly care about fat numbers what I care about is that people respect others time and make an effort, like I said if someone has this attitude I don't believe it begins and ends there.

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Originally Posted by LitheSuxman

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lol, that has the be the most effort I've ever seen put into rationalizing low effort.

I'll give your trolling effort a solid 7/10. It's very well calibrated to push people's buttons, but I would have led with the effortpost instead of the low-quality bait and gone with BLM or SAM as those jobs tend to be more popular among optimizers.

Are you joking? You use Hurajin at the start of the fight and if huton ran out for any reason like downtime. Under no circumstances do you ever use it to refresh over Armour Crush...

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Originally Posted by LukaRoselia

Are you joking? You use Hurajin at the start of the fight and if huton ran out for any reason like downtime. Under no circumstances do you ever use it to refresh over Armour Crush...

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You don't use Hurajin at the start of the fight you use your Mudras and reset with Hide.

Altho in duty finder tanks often insta pull in which case yeah.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

I don't do savage and rarely do extremes, but the idea of not wanting to see absolutely fat numbers just perplexes me. It's like picking up a Greatsword in Monster Hunter then only using the kick because you just want to relax and not lop some monster's tail right off.

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ah if we are talking about monster hunter, iam a bow user, i just use hit and run tactic lol