Feedback, Request: Allow Personal to FC Housing

I don't want a second house. I like my house. It is a good house.

But if I want to launch airships and subs, I have to have a Workshop. To do that, I have to have a FC House. It's just me in my FC, and I only have one so I stop getting random invites.

Please let me buy a workshop or turn my personal in FC housing. Why should I tie up two houses that someone else could have? With a second house that will be completely empty, for the sake of a Workshop only I will use?

I actually completely agree with you.

Back when workshops were implemented you needed 4 crafters present to do anything in there. But over time they reduced that because it was hindering smaller, newer FCs from using their workshops. At this point, a single person can do everything in a workshop if they have the crafting levels required. So, why not make the option to purchase a workshop available for private estates? My tenants don't need to be able to purchase private chambers, but man I'd love a workshop!! And if a person wants to convert their private estate into their FC estate (or vice versa) why not?

I own a personal estate that I love, I don't really WANT anything more. But I'm going to try to get a small house when Ishgard housing is implemented on an alt who has a solo FC just because I want to build a workshop. This is dumb, but it's what the game is currently forcing me to do if I want to try having a workshop.

Would be better if they removed workshops from housing so that all fc have access not just the ones who managed to get a house.

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Originally Posted by Bladehawk

Would be better if they removed workshops from housing so that all fc have access not just the ones who managed to get a house.

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Workshops need to go to Grand Company like squadrons. Too many people without homes who can't access the feature. This should apply to airships and subs too. They can keep the feature with RC's but expand it so others can have access.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Workshops need to go to Grand Company like squadrons. Too many people without homes who can't access the feature. This should apply to airships and subs too. They can keep the feature with RC's but expand it so others can have access.

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and what do you need a workshop for if you don't even own a house? all the stuff you get from it if housing glamour.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Workshops need to go to Grand Company like squadrons. Too many people without homes who can't access the feature. This should apply to airships and subs too. They can keep the feature with RC's but expand it so others can have access.

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See, I wanted the same before, but now that i've been working on my subs in my small fc, I love cooperating with others to build it all together. Making a teamcraft with the mats, gathering them together, building the parts together, deciding together about the trips etc.
Them being a solo thing would get rid of all this.

So while I agree they shouldn't be tied to housing, making them personal instead of FC-based is not the way.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

and what do you need a workshop for if you don't even own a house? all the stuff you get from it if housing glamour.

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it's a huge source of money. Submarines take a lot of money/effort to set up and level at first, but once levelled it's a huge steady income for no effort.
The fact that in big FCs+some others only leaders benefit from them is bad enough, the fact that you also need an house for it makes it worse.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

and what do you need a workshop for if you don't even own a house? all the stuff you get from it if housing glamour.

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No, it's not. As Tlamila says, airship and submersible voyages add up to a lot of gil. That's why there are so many players running multiple shell FCs to get multiple houses. There are certain builds and voyage routes that will bring back several hundred thousand gil a week, even assuming there's no new rare minion or housing item on the loot tables that will sell for millions on the MB. That adds up fast when you can have 4 different vessels operating with those builds/routes.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

See, I wanted the same before, but now that i've been working on my subs in my small fc, I love cooperating with others to build it all together. Making a teamcraft with the mats, gathering them together, building the parts together, deciding together about the trips etc.

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I also think that workshops should be moved to the GC so FCs don't need a house to have access to a workshop. There's really no logical reason for FC house ownership to be the gate to access. All FCs should have access, even without a house, as all FCs should have a source of income independent of member donations.

And workshops already are a solo thing even if it does take a FC house to have one. It only one player is needed to handle all functions in a workshop now. SE removed the 4 player requirement for the Fabrication Station a few years ago.

It's good to hear that at least your small FC is trying to keep it going as a group effort but that's not how it works out in practice for most FCs.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

And workshops already are a solo thing even if it does take a FC house to have one. It only one player is needed to handle all functions in a workshop now. SE removed the 4 player requirement for the Fabrication Station a few years ago.

It's good to hear that at least your small FC is trying to keep it going as a group effort but that's not how it works out in practice for most FCs.

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It's true that for most it's a solo thing maybe (but I thing it's usually more duo), but the difference is between doing it solo because you choose to, and doing it solo because you're forced to. All FCs I've been in had at least leader + officers taking care of it. Plus some members being allowed to have their own person sub. In my case it's more a duo thing, and I couldn't even be bothered to put work into them alone tbh.
Removing possible group content in a mmo is a pretty bad move imho. You can have things soloable, but not forcing people to do so.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

It's true that for most it's a solo thing maybe (but I thing it's usually more duo), but the difference is between doing it solo because you choose to, and doing it solo because you're forced to. All FCs I've been in had at least leader + officers taking care of it. Plus some members being allowed to have their own person sub. In my case it's more a duo thing, and I couldn't even be bothered to put work into them alone tbh.
Removing possible group content in a mmo is a pretty bad move imho. You can have things soloable, but not forcing people to do so.

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Moving the workshop access point from the FC house to the headquarters of the affiliated GC for the FC wouldn't force it into being solo content. It simply changes where the workshop is entered and gives access to FCs that have been unable to acquire a house.

We already have to visit the GC to purchase the daily actions. Having to visit it to enter the workshop would be no different.

The housing system is already massively flawed, on top of that the whole FC house has workship and ships to gather super expensive items is just unfair. to form an FC does not require additional effort and why should these people be able to gatehr so much money and additional resources compare to other players who does not want to be a part of a huge FC, this game has to also consider players who likes to keep things simple.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Moving the workshop access point from the FC house to the headquarters of the affiliated GC for the FC wouldn't force it into being solo content. It simply changes where the workshop is entered and gives access to FCs that have been unable to acquire a house.

We already have to visit the GC to purchase the daily actions. Having to visit it to enter the workshop would be no different.

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Somehow when people mention moving it to the GC I imagined it becoming part of the barracks/something to do with personal GC rankings.
If tied to the FC part of the GC, then it's all another thing, you're right.