Bloodsown Circle should fall off as soon as you hit 8 stacks

RPR is amazing. I'm not disputing that. However my only main gripe about the class is how infuriating Bloodsown Circle clips due to its set timer.

Nobody likes clipping GCDs. anyone trying to use tinctures or macros understand true pain.

It is a minor, minor change but please make it so Bloodsown Circle falls off if you hit 8 immortal stacks, along side its current Bloodsown Circle falls off after 6 seconds.

Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Avenheit

It is a minor, minor change but please make it so Bloodsown Circle falls off if you hit 8 immortal stacks, along side its current Bloodsown Circle falls off after 6 seconds.

Thank you.

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Just encase this sentence is confusing,

Bloodsown Circle should fall of if - The Reaper acquires 8 stacks of immortal OR 6 seconds has passed

I'm still confused. What action is delaying what other action due to Bloodsown Circle having a duration of 6s?

I'd rather they change it to either every action gave a stack, including healing and such, or the let jobs contribute more than 1 stack up to a max of 8. Or I guess they could remove the whole need for a party and just let it do max damage and just have it trigger right after you press Arcane Circle.

I'd rather they make a change to Bloodsewn Circle since you can never get 8 stacks in 4 party content. Would prefer if the Reaper could generate more stacks on their own while limiting other party members to just 1 stack.

The 6 second debuff is so you can't use Harvest right away.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

I'd rather they change it to either every action gave a stack, including healing and such, or the let jobs contribute more than 1 stack up to a max of 8. Or I guess they could remove the whole need for a party and just let it do max damage and just have it trigger right after you press Arcane Circle.

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Healing spells do count, at least according to the description. If they're not, report it for a fix to the developers.

"Circle of Sacrifice Effect: When you or party members under this effect successfully land a weaponskill or cast a spell, the reaper who applied it may be granted a stack of Immortal Sacrifice, up to a maximum of 8" (emphasis added)

The only heals that wouldn't count are the ones that aren't hard cast, in which case if a healer is using abilities to heal, they're likely still casting DPS spells.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

I'd rather they make a change to Bloodsewn Circle since you can never get 8 stacks in 4 party content. Would prefer if the Reaper could generate more stacks on their own while limiting other party members to just 1 stack.

The 6 second debuff is so you can't use Harvest right away.

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They don't balance skills around 4-man, dungeon content. Monks have been getting fewer chakra stacks since Stormblood when using Brotherhood in dungeons for 5 years now. There's no reason reaper should be a special case to get more stacks in dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

I'm still confused. What action is delaying what other action due to Bloodsown Circle having a duration of 6s?

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You can't use plentiful Harvest until bloodsown drops off. sometimes causing you to miss a gcd or two and ruining your opener. Particularly the early enshroud combo

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

The 6 second debuff is so you can't use Harvest right away.

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That's why I suggested if they allow it to drop after 8 stacks (since 8 is the max) it doesn't necessarily change how it works. it just makes it a little cleaner to execute.

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Originally Posted by Avenheit

You can't use plentiful Harvest until bloodsown drops off. sometimes causing you to miss a gcd or two and ruining your opener. Particularly the early enshroud combo

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Sometimes? If it has a fixed duration that prevents you from performing the actions in your opener when you intend to perform them, why are you planning an opener that wants to use those actions during that fixed duration? Why aren't you planning your rotation around not being able to use Harvest during those 6s, since it lasts 6s every time?

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Originally Posted by Rongway

Sometimes? If it has a fixed duration that prevents you from performing the actions in your opener when you intend to perform them, why are you planning an opener that wants to use those actions during that fixed duration? Why aren't you planning your rotation around not being able to use Harvest during those 6s, since it lasts 6s every time?

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because one of the optimal rotation openers for reaper is - Shadow of death> Arcane Circle, Soul Slice Tincture, Soul Slice > Plentiful harvest, enshroud

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Originally Posted by Avenheit

because one of the optimal rotation openers for reaper is - Shadow of death> Arcane Circle, Soul Slice Tincture, Soul Slice > Plentiful harvest, enshroud

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That doesn't answer my question.

You know that after using Arcane Circle, you must wait 6s before you can use Plentiful Harvest. So why would you plan a rotation that doesn't wait 6s after using Arcane Circle before using Plentiful Harvest if it's not worth the empty fraction of a second waiting for Harvest to be usable?

it would also help with players that play with high ping or the Aussies that made many friends on NA and don't wanna transfer when Materia DC drops.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

That doesn't answer my question.

You know that after using Arcane Circle, you must wait 6s before you can use Plentiful Harvest. So why would you plan a rotation that doesn't wait 6s after using Arcane Circle before using Plentiful Harvest if it's not worth the empty fraction of a second waiting for Harvest to be usable?

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I don't theory craft these openers. Jeez. I'm just trying to maximise my dmg and this minor change would benefit not only rpr players, but those with high ping or players from other countries. I don't know how more simple I can't make this statement.

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Originally Posted by Avenheit

I don't theory craft these openers. Jeez. I'm just trying to maximise my dmg and this minor change would benefit not only rpr players, but those with high ping or players from other countries. I don't know how more simple I can't make this statement.

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If you can't plan on when it will be up, then your ping will be even more at play when it comes to entering enshroud mode. As it is right now, you know it will be 2-3 GCDs from when you activate Arcane Circle until you can use it. You can plan what skills you're going to use, and do that consistently rather than doing something like using Gluttony, and then having Plentiful Harvest become available before you can use both your Gibbet and Gallows attacks.

Basically this doesn't help out for ping, and doesn't help increase your damage.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

If you can't plan on when it will be up, then your ping will be even more at play when it comes to entering enshroud mode. As it is right now, you know it will be 2-3 GCDs from when you activate Arcane Circle until you can use it. You can plan what skills you're going to use, and do that consistently rather than doing something like using Gluttony, and then having Plentiful Harvest become available before you can use both your Gibbet and Gallows attacks.

Basically this doesn't help out for ping, and doesn't help increase your damage.

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it's literally nothing to do with planning.


I'm just doing the opener rotation. have you played reaper? do you know about the early enshroud opener?

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Originally Posted by Avenheit

it's literally nothing to do with planning.

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It has everything to do with planning. You know exactly how long you have to wait after using Arcane Circle before you can use Plentiful Harvest, so pick an opener that lets you wait that long. The Balance rotation guide even says

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Originally Posted by The Balance Reaper Rotations

[Plentiful Harvest] will clip if you GCD is faster than 2.47 or you have high ping. If the clip here is bothersome or over a quarter of your GCD cast, use the Early Gluttony opener.

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so if the rotation you want to do clips, drop some skill speed, eat the clip, or do the other rotation.

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Originally Posted by Avenheit

it's literally nothing to do with planning.

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It has everything to do with planning. You know exactly how long it will be from when you activate Arcane Circle until you can use Plentiful Harvest. It's the same literally every time.

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Originally Posted by Avenheit

have you played reaper? do you know about the early enshroud opener?

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Yes, and yes.

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Originally Posted by Avenheit

I'm just doing the opener rotation. have you played reaper? do you know about the early enshroud opener?

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Just post it. Imma Quad Enshroud Reaper lemme see what you are going on about. Show me your receipt.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Just post it. Imma Quad Enshroud Reaper lemme see what you are going on about. Show me your receipt.

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Shadow of Death > Arcane Circle > Soul Slice > Tincture > Soul Slice > Plentiful Harvest.

That should allow you to see my gripe.


Balance Discord and other reaper players in game seem to understand what I'm getting at. For the life of me, I can't understand the level of resistance I'm encountering on these forums. It's really unwelcoming

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Originally Posted by Avenheit

Balance Discord and other reaper players in game seem to understand what I'm getting at. For the life of me, I can't understand the level of resistance I'm encountering on these forums. It's really unwelcoming

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I directly quoted, from the Balance, the part where they said if your skill speed is too high or your latency is too high you should do the other opener.

The change you're asking for won't fix anything. Here's why.

If they change Bloodsown Circle so that it ends immediately when you reach max stacks, there might be an opening line where Harvest gets used just one or two GCDs later. However, if Bloodsown Circle ends immediately "when you reach max stacks", its duration will be variable, and you cannot with 100% certainty predict whether Harvest will be ready on the next GCD or the one after that. So then instead of a single opening line where Harvest gets used as soon as possible, there will be two opening lines where Harvest gets used as soon as possible because they have to account for Sacrifice capping out at two different times. Then the people who are annoyed that they only ever get to use the opener where Harvest is two GCDs after Circle will get upset that they can't use the opener where Harvest is one GCD after Circle and they'll ask for Arcane Circle to just unlock max Harvest outright. Then we have to have this whole conversation all over again.

That's where we already are. There are two opening lines, one for people who can use Harvest at a certain time and one for those who can't, and the Balance authors recommend that people who can't do the first opener should do the other opener. So just...do the other opener.

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Originally Posted by Avenheit

Shadow of Death > Arcane Circle > Soul Slice > Tincture > Soul Slice > Plentiful Harvest.

That should allow you to see my gripe.


Balance Discord and other reaper players in game seem to understand what I'm getting at. For the life of me, I can't understand the level of resistance I'm encountering on these forums. It's really unwelcoming

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Yeah there is going to be a one second delay. It's going to feel awful because the skill speed drift. I don't use big boy openers all that much due to my different playstyle of build long burst big. But I can see your problem. The limitation is rather taxing and unnecessary IMO. Removing the 6 second delay would be better I think.

Most of the vocal minority on the forums is awful. If you want raw opener/rotation discussion you have to stick to Balance or figure it all out yourself.

I hate the balance myself. Don't like it. The data and info is good though.

But I'm a Reaper player so of course I can see the issue you are having. A lot of the other people have too much salt on Reaper for being the DPS king to give helpful feedback.

I'm just reading this thread as a person who loves reaper and the second I see plentiful harvest I'm just sort of nodding and going "yup, situational skill that has a 6 second charge and is only remotely useful in fights where you have down time..."

I mean, in P2S if you get the square marker and are on 3 or 4 you just do the moonlift dance because you ain't getting 6 seconds. :D

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Originally Posted by Colt47

I'm just reading this thread as a person who loves reaper and the second I see plentiful harvest I'm just sort of nodding and going "yup, situational skill that has a 6 second charge and is only remotely useful in fights where you have down time..."

I mean, in P2S if you get the square marker and are on 3 or 4 you just do the moonlift dance because you ain't getting 6 seconds. :D

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I believe you're refereing to Harvest Moon.

This thread is talking about Plentiful Harvest, which activates off of Bloodsworn Circle