If you could rework DRK and base it off of one DRK themed anime/video game character

Who would you choose and why? :3

Wesker. OG Wesker, not the abomination from the Milla movies. He pretty much fits all the criteria and was a pretty bad-ass villian.

DMC 3/4/5 Dante

Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo

Siegfried/Nightmare

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Originally Posted by ryouma17

Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo

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The Claymore is made out of NoseHair!

I would just change the combat pose from weird squat to how thordan holds his blade, literally my only gripe with drk other then its annoying opener.

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Originally Posted by ryouma17

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Lol, I miss that show! xD

Berserk, as a few animations are already there.

Literally Guts. He's the best representation for dark Knights.
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Guts is... an XIV Warrior, just with a sword and less bare skin, though?

He's a purely physical berserker who unleashes his (far from merely metaphorical) inner beast for incredible strength and tenacity. He gets angry, trading sanity for power, while reining it in through drive, purpose, and determination, exactly as per the 1.x and ARR questlines' take on Warrior.

Might that indicate that DRK has always stepped into Warrior's thematic grounds? Well, yeah. It's always been the bastard job. But it worked for precisely that reason, placing its emphasis less on that it has a big weapon and can swing it, etc., than on its mindset -- on being the unapologetic, rule-less bastard (of the "I reject your reality and, to a subtle degree, literally substitute my own" persuasion). Void magic is the magic of pure disorder, activity, overwhelming creation, befitting the highly anti-authoritarian DRK whose inner power is less "beastly" than simply "done (with all these false trappings and worthless rules)."

And as far as a combat aesthetic, Guts again leaves us with ambiguity. Is he the slower, plodding fighter of the original anime and somewhat implied by earlier episodes? Or is he the speed-dashing, speed-slashing, wolf-panther-man-thing in black armor we see later on? Granted, magic manipulation of one's blade (admittedly, more MSK territory than DRK) can allow for both via some new take on Blood Weapon or Delirium or the like, but if it comes merely from power-surging, especially if off anger... that's again just... Warrior.

Personally, I don't think there's any existing character, at least that I've yet seen, that quite fits the open spaces available to DRK given the tanks preceding it. In terms of personality and combat tactics (if taken somewhat abstractly), Trevor Belmont, oddly enough, comes closest among obvious examples. (Guts would, for his messed-up world and its lack of comparable magic, fit almost as much as a Paladin and even more the niche of a Warrior, while the likes of Dante is just a perfect Gunbreaker in his speedy tech-and-tactics mixing).

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I would just change the combat pose from weird squat to how thordan holds his blade

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The "weird squat", though lower than typical (perhaps to emphasize the weight of the blade and maintain sight lines over some of its very broad blades), is a very typical guard for especially long two-handed blades. Decreasing your exposed area, meanwhile, is common to nearly all martial arts.

If we were allowed more than one resting pose, you'd likely see a more casual resting pose (such as near to the side of one's head, hilt over or against shoulder, not far off from vertical) mixed in, but it'd offer less ready protection and thus would only be complementary.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

yeah ok but Dark Knight main inspiration was Berkserk/Guts and even Clouds buster sword was inspired by berserk
big reason why so many Dark knights paid tribute to Miura's death

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In terms of weapon choice and armor vibe, sure. But there's just nothing to how he fights, his powers, nor what sources his powers that wouldn't better define him solidly as an XIV Warrior. The distinction rests, paper-thin, on the Armory Chest and "inner beast" and the "thrill of battle" (Gut's core components) having been tied solely to greataxes, rather than being available to a great sword.

In terms of animations, it's a mixed bag, but again mostly favors Warrior or its source Marauder (which he literally was, earlier in life), if we constrain the MRD skills to those you could use with a sword. Fell Cleave and Skill Splitter are far more Guts than Bloodspiller, Hard Slash, Syphon Strike, Carve and Spit, or the like. (Probably the most frequent strikes he's used across the manga were simply DRK's cross-classed Savage Blade, a simple rising diagonal cut, and Skull Splitter, a simple mostly vertical falling strike.) He hits hard, with no care for fanciness. He presents no noisy aftereffects outside of blood spurts.

DRK is cool. Guts is cool. But Guts is no XIV DRK; he's a Warrior with a big sword and black armor.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Guts is... an XIV Warrior, just with a sword and less bare skin, though?

He's a purely physical berserker who unleashes his (far from merely metaphorical) inner beast for incredible strength and tenacity. He gets angry, trading sanity for power, while reining it in through drive, purpose, and determination, exactly as per the 1.x and ARR questlines' take on Warrior.

Might that indicate that DRK has always stepped into Warrior's thematic grounds? Well, yeah. It's always been the bastard job. But it worked for precisely that reason, placing its emphasis less on that it has a big weapon and can swing it, etc., than on its mindset -- on being the unapologetic, rule-less bastard (of the "I reject your reality and, to a subtle degree, literally substitute my own" persuasion). Void magic is the magic of pure disorder, activity, overwhelming creation, befitting the highly anti-authoritarian DRK whose inner power is less "beastly" than simply "done (with all these false trappings and worthless rules)."

And as far as a combat aesthetic, Guts again leaves us with ambiguity. Is he the slower, plodding fighter of the original anime and somewhat implied by earlier episodes? Or is he the speed-dashing, speed-slashing, wolf-panther-man-thing in black armor we see later on? Granted, magic manipulation of one's blade (admittedly, more MSK territory than DRK) can allow for both via some new take on Blood Weapon or Delirium or the like, but if it comes merely from power-surging, especially if off anger... that's again just... Warrior.

Personally, I don't think there's any existing character, at least that I've yet seen, that quite fits the open spaces available to DRK given the tanks preceding it. In terms of personality and combat tactics (if taken somewhat abstractly), Trevor Belmont, oddly enough, comes closest among obvious examples. (Guts would, for his messed-up world and its lack of comparable magic, fit almost as much as a Paladin and even more the niche of a Warrior, while the likes of Dante is just a perfect Gunbreaker in his speedy tech-and-tactics mixing).


The "weird squat", though lower than typical (perhaps to emphasize the weight of the blade), is a very typical guard for especially long two-handed blades. Decreasing your exposed area, meanwhile, is common to nearly all martial arts.

If we were allowed more than one resting pose, you'd likely see a more casual resting pose (such as near to the side of one's head, hilt over or against shoulder, not far off from vertical) mixed in, but it'd offer less ready protection and thus would only be complementary.

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yeah ok but Dark Knight main inspiration was Berkserk/Guts and even Clouds buster sword was inspired by berserk
big reason why so many Dark knights paid tribute to Miura's death

The various Claymores and their abilities. I know it’s not a 100% perfect fit for DRK, but I just love Claymore.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Guts is... an XIV Warrior, just with a sword and less bare skin, though?

In terms of weapon choice and armor vibe, sure. But there's just nothing to how he fights, his powers, nor what sources his powers that wouldn't better define him solidly as an XIV Warrior. The distinction rests, paper-thin, on the Armory Chest and "inner beast" and the "thrill of battle" (Gut's core components) having been tied solely to greataxes, rather than being available to a great sword.

In terms of animations, it's a mixed bag, but again mostly favors Warrior or its source Marauder (which he literally was, earlier in life), if we constrain the MRD skills to those you could use with a sword. Fell Cleave and Skill Splitter are far more Guts than Bloodspiller, Hard Slash, Syphon Strike, Carve and Spit, or the like. (Probably the most frequent strikes he's used across the manga were simply DRK's cross-classed Savage Blade, a simple rising diagonal cut, and Skull Splitter, a simple mostly vertical falling strike.) He hits hard, with no care for fanciness. He presents no noisy aftereffects outside of blood spurts.

DRK is cool. Guts is cool. But Guts is no XIV DRK; he's a Warrior with a big sword and black armor.

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Bloodspiller is literally lifted from the panel of Guts' fight with Grunbled. It's the strike that sundered his warhammer and went into his shoulder. Furthermore Living Dead is basically lorewise the same as the Berserker armor in that it just kind of holds you together so you can keep swinging for a bit longer.

Terranort from Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep. The way he fights Aqua with Guardian sprouting out from behind him mid fight is something I'd love to see adapted into Dark Knight.

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Changing Dark Knights Living Shadow into a sort of ability that lets Dark Knight summon Living Shadow and attack exactly at the same time you do, like how Ninja's Shadow Clone ability works, instead being a seperate summon mechanic like the way it is now and can even act as an extra shield used either on yourself or your allies when commanded, that also let's Living Shadow do an auto counter attack equivalent to the amount of damage it was struck with, combined with it's normal damage output.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

Bloodspiller is literally lifted from the panel of Guts' fight with Grunbled. It's the strike that sundered his warhammer and went into his shoulder.

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In the only version that'd, by necessity, give enough panels to tell what the hell the sword is doing to that extent, the fight is literally Plunge, DRK Skull Splitter, DRK Skull Splitter, and then Plunge with a horizontal twist instead of a front-flip. At no point does he just spin his sword once at let gravity, alone, take it, as per Bloodspiller. He adds his own weight behind and muscle to each strike.

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Furthermore Living Dead is basically lorewise the same as the Berserker armor in that it just kind of holds you together so you can keep swinging for a bit longer.

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That's literally the same as Holmgang. And given how little on-demand healing is available to Guts, and how long he's typically wounded after using the Berserker armor, he sure as hell isn't being quickly healed to full to avoid a Doom state.

Again, love the character, but gap-closer aside, his powers and source of powers (his kit and lore) are almost pure Warrior (the Berserker), not Dark Knight.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

In the only version that'd, by necessity, give enough panels to tell what the hell the sword is doing to that extent, fight is literally Plunge, DRK Skull Splitter, DRK Skull Splitter, and then Plunge with a horizontal twist instead of a front-flip. At no point does he just spin his sword once at let gravity, alone, take it, as per Bloodspiller. He adds his own weight behind and muscle to each strike.


That's literally the same as Holmgang. And given how little on-demand healing is available to Guts, and how long he's typically wounded after using the Berserker armor, he sure as hell isn't being quickly healed to full to avoid a Doom state.

Again, love the character, but gap-closer aside, his powers and source of powers (his kit and lore) are almost pure Warrior (the Berserker), not Dark Knight.

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The lore of DRK fits better as it's basically in a sense the the only job that deals with the WoL's trauma and trying to work through it. Kind of the central theme of Berserk and Guts as a character. WAR is just unga bunga me mad.

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Darkness is gravity! It swallows everything around it... even light itself can't escape!... Its power is infinite!

While ya'll can have the guts sword, I've always wanted the darkness powers to be like Marshall D. Teach's Darkness devil fruit power. A mixture of absorption and gravity magic and a pretty cool laugh! Zehahahahahaha!

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Darkness is gravity! It swallows everything around it... even light itself can't escape!... Its power is infinite!

While ya'll can have the guts sword, I've always wanted the darkness powers to be like Marshall D. Teach's Darkness devil fruit power. A mixture of absorption and gravity magic and a pretty cool laugh! Zehahahahahaha!

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Oooh, I want this, too now! Dark Knight's old ability, Tarpit could be reworked to work just like this! 8O

Also, I see you are also a fellow One Piece Fan. x3

Hmm, since Dark Knight swings around a big arse sword, why not combine Teach's devil fruit power with Mihawk's swordsmanship? :3

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

The lore of DRK fits better as it's basically in a sense the the only job that deals with the WoL's trauma and trying to work through it. Kind of the central theme of Berserk and Guts as a character.

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Put any strength-based physical combatant into the world of Berserk, especially if as a merc, and they're going to have trauma-warrior vibes.

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WAR is just unga bunga me mad.

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By lore, XIV WAR is "turning into the beast, holding just enough sanity not to kill yourself or your friends as you go all in, doing what must be done." That's not just "unga bunga".

Let's not mistake the kit's post-4.1 simplicity for its dominant motif, or ARR PLD would have been thematically devoid of intelligence and DRK's primary characteristic would be to work harder for less and to die randomly some 10 seconds after taking damage other armored fighters would survive.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Put any strength-based physical combatant into the world of Berserk, especially if as a merc, and they're going to have trauma-warrior vibes.


By lore, XIV WAR is "turning into the beast, holding just enough sanity not to kill yourself or your friends as you go all in, doing what must be done." That's not just "unga bunga".

Let's not mistake the kit's post-4.1 simplicity for its dominant motif, or ARR PLD would have been thematically devoid of intelligence and DRK's primary characteristic would be to work harder for less and to die randomly some 10 seconds after taking damage other armored fighters would survive.

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But that is not the WoL's arc as a WAR. The WoL controls it with ease and is never a threat to anyone else with it. The WAR arc is Curious Gorge's arc. Contrasted with the DRK arc for the WoL which spends its first and third act on introspection into the cracks and how unresolved emotion is pouring through. A blade that is chipped and cracked. Which is very Berserk.
Furthermore, DRK in the meta is the definition of struggle. Spat upon and crapped upon by the boarder fanbase, but continues on (also the strongest tank dps wise.) In short DRK is all about that StrugLfye.

Guts inner beast is called "Beast of Darkness" and its the manifestation of all his negative emotions
which is essentially what Fray/Esteem is