Fisher vs. BTN/MNR ilvl issues

@Development Team: Will you guys please fix the only spearfishing jig we have in game that is a lvl 61 fisher offhand and either allow it to lvl like the leveling earrings that are typically provided as a CE pre-order item.

Currently I have Fisher, Miner, and Botanist all to lvl 90, and all on the same gear setup.

Miner and Botanist are both ilvl 560.

Fisher, due to the lvl 61 spearfishing jig is ilvl 523.

This really needs to be addressed because due to ilvling affecting gathering and perception levels this will affect all fishers in game post 6.0 and probably affected all of us during the 5.x story progression as well but it wasn't as noticeable during that time.

Hard to do end game fishing when our gear doesn't measure up.

Please deal with this ASAP.

That fishers have lower stats than botanists or miners does not matter because the stats needed are also lower for fishers compared to btn/min. So the fisher gear measures up just fine.

Fishing is tuned around the stats that FSH can get. While I would love to see the gig made into a tool with stats and upgraded every few levels the way that MIN and BTN offhand tools are, just to maintain the same ilevel as those two classes, ultimately it is unimportant given the tuning fishing has.

As Roth said, FSH as content is tuned around the stats FSH is able to acquire. You're not penalized in any way by a lower ilvl.

Ilvl is meaningless in the long run. What matters is the stats you have versus the stats the content requires, and how well you use the stats you have.

While there is no IG penalty ; it's also an OCD problem for iLv rounding and/or blu-ing your stuff.

I get that the subweapon stats were "not planned" ; but that's a fake excuse after SB.
"Oh noes, you'd have +500 gathering that would break a lv.50/60 fish ; the +3000 from the rest of your lv90 gear is fine".

If you want an objective downside to the lv.61 jig : FSH get a penalty for spiritbonding since you get IV/V instead IX/X for the subweapon. it's both a waste of potency and inventory slot

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Originally Posted by Calysto

While there is no IG penalty ; it's also an OCD problem for iLv rounding and/or blu-ing your stuff.

I get that the subweapon stats were "not planned" ; but that's a fake excuse after SB.
"Oh noes, you'd have +500 gathering that would break a lv.50/60 fish ; the +3000 from the rest of your lv90 gear is fine".

If you want an objective downside to the lv.61 jig : FSH get a penalty for spiritbonding since you get IV/V instead IX/X for the subweapon. it's both a waste of potency and inventory slot

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There is also an objective upside to the lv 61 jig - no need to upgrade it. Ever.

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

There is also an objective upside to the lv 61 jig - no need to upgrade it. Ever.

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Are you seriously making of the point of "no need for content" ??? That has to be trolling...

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Originally Posted by Calysto

Are you seriously making of the point of "no need for content" ??? That has to be trolling...

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That clearly wasn't the point being made.

There's plenty of fishing content getting added all the time. How does not adding a new gig mean we're not getting new content?

In the end, it's just a stat stick. It doesn't even have a physical appearance to be seen in game now that spearfishing has turned into the mini-game. They could add more gigs to the game but in return they would just increase the stats needed to do the content so it's a zero gain (same as they do to account for all the other gear upgrades we obtain). And you wouldn't really be getting more content because getting a new gig would likely amount to a couple of minutes of scrip farming. Scrip farming already exists as content and we have plenty of reasons to be doing it.

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Originally Posted by Calysto

Are you seriously making of the point of "no need for content" ??? That has to be trolling...

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No.
Since when does "no need to upgrade" equal "no need for content"? The answer is of course that they have never been equal.

I mean, if you maybe loosely define the gear treadmill as "content."

I guess the fact that they are not visible beside spearfishing (with now the minigame blocking the view) could loosely make sense. but the other problems remain.

Saying "it's nice you don't need to upgrade your gear" defeat the point of an mmo.

Grinding for stuff is the base "content" of the game.

If we take that to senseless extrems : no need to upgrade any gears ever either. PLD shield can be disabled and be glamour only(since the shields doesn't affect Ilv for jobs that don't have it) and who care about new relics, you already have 6 glowy weapons.

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Originally Posted by Calysto

I guess the fact that they are not visible beside spearfishing (with now the minigame blocking the view) could loosely make sense. but the other problems remain.

Saying "it's nice you don't need to upgrade your gear" defeat the point of an mmo.

Grinding for stuff is the base "content" of the game.

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No, playing through the story is the base content of the game.
Grinding for gear is the so-called "endgame". I.e. where the game ends, and you take a pause waiting for more content.
The geargrind is boring crap meant to keep players busy until next patch. I don't do more of that than I have to.

I'd just say that "grinding for stuff" is a crap definition of a games core content. Especially for a game where raiding (nor grind gear!) isn't even in their main advertising material.

The base content of the game is letting people do what they want. Not just grinding gear.

As for missing out on a Spearfishing gig - this is something that Fisher's have been asking for/discussing for a long while. We might see it, but if it's not happened yet I wouldn't hold my breath.

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Originally Posted by Calysto

I guess the fact that they are not visible beside spearfishing (with now the minigame blocking the view) could loosely make sense. but the other problems remain.

Saying "it's nice you don't need to upgrade your gear" defeat the point of an mmo.

Grinding for stuff is the base "content" of the game.

If we take that to senseless extrems : no need to upgrade any gears ever either. PLD shield can be disabled and be glamour only(since the shields doesn't affect Ilv for jobs that don't have it) and who care about new relics, you already have 6 glowy weapons.

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To you "grinding for stuff" is the base content. It isn't for others. I'm here for the story and other elements. If all I wanted to do was grind stuff, I would have never left WoW. Certainly that game was filled with pointless grinds considering much of what you earned got taken away when an expansion ended.

Only 1 out of the 19 combat jobs has an offhand to use at all. You mention the PLD shield but the stats are split with the PLD main hand to get the same basic stat budget that is seen on the other tank job main hands. The stats on the shield could easily be rolled back on to the main hand with the shield left purely for glamour.

BLU as a limited job has no weapon that can be upgraded for stats, just different staves for glamour's sake.

YoshiP has gone on record as saying they'd prefer to have no offhands at all but it would be too difficult to remove the coding from the game at this point. The only reason FSH got the gig was because spearfishing was added in Stormblood and it would make no sense to be spearfishing with a fishing rod. It had done just fine without an offhand prior to that. If spearfishing had started off as the current mini-game, I doubt we would have ever gotten the gig.

Considering there are still 11 other slots that need upgrades each expansion, the lack of upgrades for a single slot on a single job isn't a problem.

Is this gig craftable, by the way? Kinda weird you can sell it. Just got it today, didn't realize it's the only one in existence

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Originally Posted by JepMZ

Is this gig craftable, by the way? Kinda weird you can sell it. Just got it today, didn't realize it's the only one in existence

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Here is a list with NPCs who will sell you a new one:

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...E3MDYyMTkzNTE.

A Blue off hand would be nice and ilvl for my OCD lol.

The ilvl from the spearfishing gig is ugly, but it's not a balance issue. It's just really ugly.

I wish that if we weren't going to ever get a higher ilvl gig, it could at least be turned into an unlocked Trait where we don't need a gig equipped at all. It's so ugly to have a lower ilvl for no reason.

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Originally Posted by wildvenonat

The ilvl from the spearfishing gig is ugly, but it's not a balance issue. It's just really ugly.

I wish that if we weren't going to ever get a higher ilvl gig, it could at least be turned into an unlocked Trait where we don't need a gig equipped at all. It's so ugly to have a lower ilvl for no reason.

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Either that or do it like Paladin with sword and shield, maybe, get one with the other, even if it's just for the sake of looking nice?

My world for a GIG RELIC!

If nothing, we could get one of one of the expansions fishing achievement, like BLU get their main weapons (it's only effect is is changing the ilv.)

It's been too long, I am now officially giving CBU3 an ultimatum.

I'm giving you two options, and you have to choose.
1. Find a way to make Spearfishing Gig not bring down total ilvl of Fisher, so that you can see from Gear Set List whether Fisher is fully equipped with newest ilvl gear or not
2. I will call Square Enix CEO and tell him to shut down CBU3 and FFXIV forever

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Originally Posted by MarsAstro

It's been too long, I am now officially giving CBU3 an ultimatum.

I'm giving you two options, and you have to choose.
1. Find a way to make Spearfishing Gig not bring down total ilvl of Fisher, so that you can see from Gear Set List whether Fisher is fully equipped with newest ilvl gear or not
2. I will call Square Enix CEO and tell him to shut down CBU3 and FFXIV forever

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Half of your second point has already happened. You're late.