Zodiark newlings chat is something you should avoid

Hey there people, sadly i have to complain today about the newlings chat and why i would advice anyone to avoid it. Now, i will add that is did insult the person back, but only really in defending myself after being verbally bashed by mentors for making remarks about some QoL decisions i was questioning. Followed by a kick from the chat. https://imgur.com/gallery/h7HB4MP

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6d/ab...22999112e9.jpg

hahah yeah pretty much ^^

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Originally Posted by BobbyBigplays

hahah yeah pretty much ^^

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No, that was for your original post. I'm not clicking on any mysterious forum links.

Why did this need to be a thread?

because i dont think kicking me was justified for making an argument ? Because i feel like mentors should not insult people ? more so kicking people from the chat for defending themselves ?

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Originally Posted by BobbyBigplays

because i dont think kicking me was justified for making an argument ? Because i feel like mentors should not insult people ? more so kicking people from the chat for defending themselves ?

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I'd probably stick to using imgur for linking pictures in the forums, or some other very-easily recognizable website. The forums do also have the option to embed a picture directly into your post so people don't have to click. There have been a TON of scam links going around in various forms, and people are rightly cautious about clicking random links.

Honestly, I've never actually entered the novice network, and probably never will. But from what I hear, it's not just any one specific server, but almost all that experience clique filled networks, where if you criticize any of the mentors in there, you are kicked without a second thought...even if you prove the mentor wrong. Now, this is all second hand knowledge on my part, so take it as you will.

The only other takeaway from this for me...they are no longer sprouts or novices. They are newlings.

i tried but i am doing something wrong.

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Originally Posted by BobbyBigplays

i tried but i am doing something wrong.

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If you get it onto Imgur, you can find a link for the forums here:

https://i.imgur.com/lp2l80s.png


Just copy that BBCode line and paste it...no need to use the picture inserting option from the forums.

oh hey thx

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Originally Posted by BobbyBigplays

...Followed by a kick from the chat...

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As a general rule in life, be polite and you won't get shunned. Telling people they don't have a brain isn't the way to endear yourself towards the 500 or so other players reading the drama.

Google isn't hard, really. I am in it most of the day on my other screen.

So, you didn't bother with actually reading the quest text you got while unlocking the raid and then whine about how the game forces you to google stuff? And then come to the forum to keep whining?

Probably shouldn't try to use novice network as your personal complaint board for the devs. They aren't reading what you say and nobody else in the chat can help resolve your personal issues with the game.

I'm sorry, but:

Heavensward has two cities, One large, one small. Where do the raid tokens/tomestones get exchanged for gear? The smaller city
Stormblood has two cities, One large, one small. Where do the raid tokens/tomestones get exchanged for gear? The smaller city
Shadowbringers has two cities, One large, one small. Where do the raid tokens/tomestones get exchanged for gear? The smaller city
Endwalker has two cities, One large, one small. Where do the raid tokens/tomestones get exchanged for gear? The smaller city

It's an established trend, and even then it's not hard to ask "Hey, where do I trade this in for gear?" without complaining that the game doesn't directly tell you "GO HERE TO SPEND THESE TOKENS" and insulting people because you didn't get the answer you wanted.

100% justified kick.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

As a general rule in life, be polite and you won't get shunned. Telling people they don't have a brain isn't the way to endear yourself towards the 500 or so other players reading the drama.

Google isn't hard, really. I am in it most of the day on my other screen.

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That general rule also exists for the mentor that elected to the take the path of "Anyone with a functioning brain" - Sorry but if you write a comment such as that and then go with kicking the sprout for simply giving you a receipt for that remark, then well there's as much wrong with the mentor as there is with the sprout in this case.

If I'm quite frank though, whilst I don't necessarily agree with the way the OP conveyed themselves, they still highlight a fairly interesting thing with the active help system in the game.

From where I stand, it's dumpster fire everywhere. If OP has been complaining just about every little thing he/she encounters, then yeah, I'd say the same thing as the next response.

Then there's mentor who belts out an insult, gets the same treatment and then hilariously writes the reason for the kick is "insulting another player". If that's not a classic NN Mentor move, I don't what is.

In the end, the whole thing just seems sad everywhere.

I am disappointed there are some servers with mean novice network chats. I am playing on Sargatanas and we have a really friendly novice network. I have seen chat logs like this before from some other server's novice network chats and I don't see why those mentors become harsh when players ask about things that are explained clearly with a web search but maybe can be missed in game. That's what the novice network is for right? Help sprouts even if they aren't inclined to search the web. Some servers do have really good novice networks and the oldbie mentors do not tolerate mean spirited comments. If you transfer some time, I strongly recommend Sargatanas. The mentors are friendly and there are lots of people who have been here since even 1.0.

Where to turn in items = That expansion's main hub.

If you don't know you could ask a question politely then be done with that.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

That general rule also exists for the mentor that elected to the take the path of "Anyone with a functioning brain"

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Yep, I'd kick them too as they didn't handle it well with the insult to the player when they could have defused. Player then didn't handle it well with the insult to the mentor, when they could have defused... and we don't see what happened after to see if that mentor got a kick.

Generally 500 odd people in NN don't need to be distracted with fighting, name calling and this sort of drama.

At the same time, people really do need to turned towards googling before they learn to rely on NN as a crutch, NN doesn't last forever and it's a complex game when push comes to shove, especially with tokens, raid rewards, quest unlocks and so on.


tl;dr kik was deserved, mentor should be kicked too, NN is a basket case but it's better than Barrens' chat, and burger king crown should become the poop emoji - fertiliser to help the sprouts grow.

Edit: DPS can have a poop-knife nameplate icon. DOH/DOL can get a poop-shovel one.

Welcome to NN!

Mentors shouldn't be able to kick to begin with. There should be a GM monitoring the chat. I'm pretty sure SE can afford hiring one or two professional moderators per server.

Novice Network is just a playground for power tripping mentors to hangout. Thus far Squenix has shown no desire to police it.

This is a fairly well known fact.

Waiting for a select few people to pop up in here and say what they normally say.

Willingly incensing the genuinely helpful mentors of Zodiark's NN, consistently bringing down the vibe with things that boil down to 'trash game lul', then when you finally get kicked for being vicariously obtuse, you make the Cloaker's words from Payday 2 sound less like a burn and more like a prophecy.

As someone playing in Zodiark AND is in Zodiark NN. Every time you just whine and complain about the game and the devs and being mad for no particular reason.
You could have easily asked "Can someone tell me where to find X"
Instead of "Idk where I can trade this item for X. Wtf the devs are so lazy. Why I have to google it???"
Then you'll have gotten your answer in the same minute.

Dunno, looks like OP just outed themselves. I noticed they referenced a recurring theme with him, so I'm going to lean toward probably deserved.

The mentor very obviously insulted the OP first though, by saying "anyone with a functioning brain" which by implication excludes the person asking the question. And then kicked him when he fired back, so... both were not behaving very well, but the mentor basically baited him into a kick.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

The mentor very obviously insulted the OP first though, by saying "anyone with a functioning brain" which by implication excludes the person asking the question. And then kicked him when he fired back, so... both were not behaving very well, but the mentor basically baited him into a kick.

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It certainly appears that way. No one is innocent here. Still, it looks like it started well before (minutes, days, who knows) what the OP clipped for a screenshot, so I feel we are missing the full story. Having been part of my server's NN for a time, there was always one or two people who used it not to seek help, but solely to complain about the game or simply cause trouble, which annoyed everyone. Sprouts and mentors alike grew tired of it. I'm not saying that was the OP, but it's a possibility. Even so, Mentors are supposed to handle themselves better (and sadly many do not), which comes back to no one being innocent in this situation.

I think the kick was OK. The novice chat has the purpouse to help new players. It is not the right place to complain about the game.


Cheers

What do you expect? Here is what it takes to become mentor:

3x paid boost
1000 Ifrit normal runs
1 week of guildhest 2 as healer with an “I’m really a girl IRL” greeting macro
3 joke scenarios which you fail on purpose and set to very easy for your own convenience

Crafting mentor component is irrelevant, as it’s nothing but a farm.

It doesn’t take skill nor knowledge of the game nor do you have to be a truly reputable individual. Also change the crown to anything else and there won’t be any more mentors.

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Originally Posted by Kandraxx

It doesn’t take skill nor knowledge of the game nor do you have to be a truly reputable individual. Also change the crown to anything else and there won’t be any more mentors.

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There shouldn't be any rewards or "status symbols" for being a Mentor at all, in my opinion. The reward should be helping people, and that's it.

Its the usual response.
If you complain about something or share how something you don't like could be better, lots of people will respond by then go play another game :)

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Yep, I'd kick them too as they didn't handle it well with the insult to the player when they could have defused. Player then didn't handle it well with the insult to the mentor, when they could have defused... and we don't see what happened after to see if that mentor got a kick.

Generally 500 odd people in NN don't need to be distracted with fighting, name calling and this sort of drama.

At the same time, people really do need to turned towards googling before they learn to rely on NN as a crutch, NN doesn't last forever and it's a complex game when push comes to shove, especially with tokens, raid rewards, quest unlocks and so on.


tl;dr kik was deserved, mentor should be kicked too, NN is a basket case but it's better than Barrens' chat, and burger king crown should become the poop emoji - fertiliser to help the sprouts grow.

Edit: DPS can have a poop-knife nameplate icon. DOH/DOL can get a poop-shovel one.

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Poop icon won't solve a thing. If there's an exclusive icon to be had then people will go for said icon. Many regardless of whether it has a negative or positive connotation with it. Just simply remove that level of icon exclusivity entirely.

I spend a lot of time in Zodiark NN and the vast majority of time the questions, answers and discussions going on are nice and civil.
Like any other public space (ish) there will always be someone with a bad day or with an agenda to disrupt, but one can't let those rare occurrences alone determine that the chat is terrible or something to be avoided.

I wish that mentors that doesn't actively participate in the NN chat would get removed from the channel though, to make space for the ones that do participate and help. One typically sees the same smaller amount of people offering responses to things being said, and if these players can't get in because of mentors that doesn't chat have been auto joined in and are taking the space, then it might negatively affect the assistance given to new players and returners.
Simply disabling the auto join Novice Network should do the trick for that..

I join the novice network to kick other mentors. Their egos literally cant take being told they are wrong or uneducated on a subject that way.

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Originally Posted by Marcman

I wish that mentors that doesn't actively participate in the NN chat would get removed from the channel though, to make space for the ones that do participate and help. One typically sees the same smaller amount of people offering responses to things being said, and if these players can't get in because of mentors that doesn't chat have been auto joined in and are taking the space, then it might negatively affect the assistance given to new players and returners.
Simply disabling the auto join Novice Network should do the trick for that..

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This also annoys the hell out of me. Odin NN is filled to the brim with mentors, but you always see the same handful of mentors actually answering questions and engaging with newbies or helping out. All the other mentors are... just there.

On topic, during the time I've spent in NN, I've seen mentors kick people from NN 3 times, and 2 of those times were mentors drunk on power, as people would put it. In one of those 2 times, the mentor even did it as a joke (someone had posted the message: "Eff this. I'm out of here" by mistake in NN), but they got kicked themselves by another mentor immediately. The second time, a crafting mentor kicked someone who clearly posted a 4- or 5-line macro in NN by mistake. Anyone actually reading the chat would've surmised as much. This mentor was just a lurker that never ever interacted with anyone in NN and that the active mentors didn't know, and said mentor apparently left the NN soon after kicking the sprout. Like, the dude was a ghost in NN for God knows how long, and then the one time they decide to make their presence known, they kick someone for a mistake and after they had apologized? -.- People like the ones in these 2 examples are probably not willing to be real mentors, yet their actions affect all mentors' reputation, which really sucks.

All this said, the OP's story sounds like it might be lacking more background info and history for anyone to make a fair judgement. Sprouts/returning players are no angels either, and some of them can be annoying, rude, etc.

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Originally Posted by RdehlikaJenma

I'm sorry, but:

Heavensward has two cities, One large, one small. Where do the raid tokens/tomestones get exchanged for gear? The smaller city
Stormblood has two cities, One large, one small. Where do the raid tokens/tomestones get exchanged for gear? The smaller city
Shadowbringers has two cities, One large, one small. Where do the raid tokens/tomestones get exchanged for gear? The smaller city
Endwalker has two cities, One large, one small. Where do the raid tokens/tomestones get exchanged for gear? The smaller city

It's an established trend, and even then it's not hard to ask "Hey, where do I trade this in for gear?" without complaining that the game doesn't directly tell you "GO HERE TO SPEND THESE TOKENS" and insulting people because you didn't get the answer you wanted.

100% justified kick.

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To be fair, the game has an insane amount of tokens. I've been playing for a while now and I still feel confused, so I understand how a new player may feel overwhelmed.

I'm a mentor and NN is just a cringe memefest full of "good ol boys" mentality. Honestly it's what I imagined the atmosphere was like at Blizzard before the lawsuits just with slightly less sexual harassment. Same attitude though.

Just stay away from it.

Zodiark NN is perfectly fine. A few bad apples don't represent an entire community, you shouldn't have been retorting with insults and if you feel you were unfairly kicked report it to a GM and they'll investigate (they take unfair NN kicks rather seriously).

Labelling the entire NN as something to avoid because one or two people didn't agree with you is nonsense.