What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

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01-11-2022, 01:21 AM
Millybonk

What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?
- The mighty Zodiark, which has been build up as this mighty(evil) entity over several expansions, turns out to be nothing but filler trash for the first Endwalker trial
- The true cause of the Final Days is a pet-project from an ancient which goes mad after observing countless dead world and possibly causing the death of several world by projecting negative emotions unto them, and is thus dead-set on bringing despair to every world, upon which said ancient goes mad and is now letting her run her course to test humanity if they can withstand/fight despair
- Venat, who hasn't had her memory wiped + still remembers you from being in Elpis, quite apparently doesn't lift a finger to learn about Dynamis herself or to mobilize the other ancients to end Meteion then and there, and instead chooses to turn herself into Hydaelyn, sunder the world and the inhabitants, thereby forcing them to live with and face despair and gambling that their resilience against despair might be enough to face Meteion one day
Really?
This is the best SQ could do in terms of story after ShB?
01-11-2022, 01:27 AM
BaconBits

Can't believe Hermes actually invented Twitter, the absolute madman.
01-11-2022, 01:29 AM
Atreides

Man if everyone who enjoyed the story would make a thread... But alas, most people are too busy enjoying the game. I liked the story. Thanks for your opinion I guess...?
01-11-2022, 01:34 AM
NegativeS

The only thing I absolutely hated about the story was how they handled Zodiark. Everything else was pretty good, if a bit hammy, slightly 'power of friendship'-y, with a pinch of plot armour and a cup of macguffin.

Bake at 350 degrees for 40 hours, garnish with the death of another beloved character, and serve hot.
01-11-2022, 01:44 AM
EmpyreanHelios

I didn’t like many aspects of the Endwalker storyline either, you’re not alone in that. However, making a thread like this is just going to get you hate from people who did.
01-11-2022, 01:48 AM
Hysterior

I personally don't mind how Zodiark was handled.
It would have been a bit too predictable to have him being the end goal
+ he's still a primal, we know how to deal with those by then, no matter how strong.

Having said that, I have always hated time-travel + memory spells as story elements, so I can't say I was a big fan of the whole Elpis chapter
01-11-2022, 01:50 AM
Kaurhz

It has pacing issues, sure.

But to address some of the points here to the best of my understanding.

Zodiark was still sundered, so he wasn't as powerful as he was on his original summoning prior to his sundering. The only thing that happened was the seal on him was broken. This shattering only broke his imprisonment. He was powerful, but not nearly as powerful as how the unsundered know him to be. This point is also a little bit weird, because the argument could just be made of "why didn't they just do this then to break his seal, instead of the rejoining escapades" - and I think the key difference here is that Fandaniel wasn't concerned with the methods, just the result, to which his methods could have potentially prevented bringing back / restoring the mankind that they knew.

I'd have liked it if there was more on the causality of the final days as opposed to it being a projection of emotions on the celestial currents (as I understand it).

We still don't know the length of time between Meteion leaving the planet and when the final days started to hit the planet(?), not only that Emet-Selch had openly admitted that their methods would not have carried mankind so far. The ancients weren't concerned with solving the fundamental cause of it as they were with just delaying the inevitable and feeding Zodiark to resurrect the sacrificed. Plus, I am pretty sure that the ancients didn't have the ability to manipulate/manifest dynamis given how dense their own aether is, and to my knowledge it is the abundance of aether which drowns out dynamis. The ancients were so crippled by their own despair that even trying to fight against dynamis or manifest it would have been nigh on futile.

At least this is the perspective I have on the story, and I think with her actions, and the 'reasoning' for them is precisely why she's ultimately a well developed character.
01-11-2022, 01:53 AM
KizuyaKatogami
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Originally Posted by Millybonk

The mighty Zodiark, which has been build up as this mighty(evil) entity over several expansions, turns out to be nothing but filler trash for the first Endwalker trial

The true cause of the Final Days is a pet-project from an ancient which goes mad after observing countless dead world and possibly causing the death of several world by projecting negative emotions unto them, and is thus dead-set on bringing despair to every world, upon which said ancient goes mad and is now letting her run her course to test humanity if they can withstand/fight despair

Venat, who hasn't had her memory wiped + still remembers you from being in Elpis, quite apparently doesn't lift a finger to learn about Dynamis herself or to mobilize the other ancients to end Meteion then and there, and instead chooses to turn herself into Hydaelyn, sunder the world and the inhabitants, thereby forcing them to live with and face despair and gambling that their resilience against despair might be enough to face Meteion one day

Really?
This is the best SQ could do in terms of story after ShB?
Yeah it has pretty obvious flaws sadly, especially considering how long it was delayed and supposed to be wrapping everything up, there’s still so many dropped plot lines. I just wish the final days felt like more of a threat. Outside of thavnair it didn’t really feel like it. Everyone important survived perfectly fine, we’re enjoying a lunch date with the scions in sharlayan while at the same time the world is supposedly ending in garlemald and thavnair. They banked too much on the fluff of the scions backing the story up so people wouldn’t side glance the fact this final days was kind of a major joke.
01-11-2022, 01:53 AM
Lily_Skye
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Originally Posted by Millybonk

The mighty Zodiark, which has been build up as this mighty(evil) entity over several expansions, turns out to be nothing but filler trash for the first Endwalker trial

The true cause of the Final Days is a pet-project from an ancient which goes mad after observing countless dead world and possibly causing the death of several world by projecting negative emotions unto them, and is thus dead-set on bringing despair to every world, upon which said ancient goes mad and is now letting her run her course to test humanity if they can withstand/fight despair

Venat, who hasn't had her memory wiped + still remembers you from being in Elpis, quite apparently doesn't lift a finger to learn about Dynamis herself or to mobilize the other ancients to end Meteion then and there, and instead chooses to turn herself into Hydaelyn, sunder the world and the inhabitants, thereby forcing them to live with and face despair and gambling that their resilience against despair might be enough to face Meteion one day

Really?
This is the best SQ could do in terms of story after ShB?
https://i.imgur.com/ZJ3dtiO.png
01-11-2022, 01:54 AM
Tanis_Ebonhart

I disagree. I thought it was fantastic on my alt.

It'll be even better on my Main as I'm slowly going through the content again and doing as much as I can on them to make up for my alt (old main) skipping so much stuff for just the MSQ advancement.
01-11-2022, 01:55 AM
Avatre
Let's break it down a bit here.
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Originally Posted by Millybonk

The mighty Zodiark, which has been build up as this mighty(evil) entity over several expansions, turns out to be nothing but filler trash for the first Endwalker trial
- For this one, Zodiark isn't whole. There are other shards out there that haven't been rejoined as we stopped the Ascians in their tracks. That is why he was severely weaker than he could have been. Was it a bit of a let down? Definitely, but it brought him(and the most annoying thing) to an end.
  
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  Originally Posted by Millybonk
- The true cause of the Final Days is a pet-project from an ancient which goes mad after observing countless dead world and possibly causing the death of several world by projecting negative emotions unto them, and is thus dead-set on bringing despair to every world, upon which said ancient goes mad and is now letting her run her course to test humanity if they can withstand/fight despair

Meteion was an extreme empath. Every bit of emotion, from anyone, was felt by her. She loved Etherius, and it's people, enough that after witnessing, and feeling, the despair and grief of hundreds of dying worlds, she resolved that the end of existence was for the betterment of mankind. The fact that there were dozens(hundreds/thousands?) of them, meant that every single one, when they linked their consciousness, felt it and came to the same conclusion.

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Venat, who hasn't had her memory wiped + still remembers you from being in Elpis, quite apparently doesn't lift a finger to learn about Dynamis herself or to mobilize the other ancients to end Meteion then and there, and instead chooses to turn herself into Hydaelyn, sunder the world and the inhabitants, thereby forcing them to live with and face despair and gambling that their resilience against despair might be enough to face Meteion one day

This one is more speculation, but it's due to the fact that if she did do anything other than what she did do, we wouldn't have had anything to go back to. It would potentially not have existed as per any time paradox that would happen from changing any major point in history. It at least allowed her to be able to prepare her champions in a way she saw fit to be able to at least attempt to stop Meteion.

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I dunno, I kinda agree with it. I was not a fan of the story as a whole this time around, and the points OP made were definitely some of my complaints with it.

Not everything needs to be discarded as bait just because it goes against the main consensus.

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This one is more speculation, but it's due to the fact that if she did do anything other than what she did do, we wouldn't have had anything to go back to. It would potentially not have existed as per any time paradox that would happen from changing any major point in history. It at least allowed her to be able to prepare her champions in a way she saw fit to be able to at least attempt to stop Meteion.

I'm a big Doctor Who nerd, and time loops come into play now and then. While I don't love how they handled the Venat situation (with her knowing everything and not really doing much), I can at least accept that this was a paradox that had to play out just as it did.....otherwise it would never have happened at all. However, I can appreciate that some people may not enjoy that type of storyline as it can feel like a cheap excuse for leaving a bunch of loose ends in the story, only for everything to suddenly work out just fine because it was a paradox.

Can't please everyone though, but I am happy that it seems the majority of players enjoyed how it all wrapped up. ShB will still be my baby ;)

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I dunno, I kinda agree with it. I was not a fan of the story as a whole this time around, and the points OP made were definitely some of my complaints with it.

Not everything needs to be discarded as bait just because it goes against the main consensus.

Same, i agree with most of it as well, only thing i disagree with is the Zodiark evil final boss thing, but i do think they couldve done so much more than just make him a random throwaway boss. They didnt even acknowledge him saving the world whereas venat and hydaelyn for some reason get all the praise despite the shitty things they did.

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It has pacing issues, sure.

But to address some of the points here to the best of my understanding.

Zodiark was still sundered, so he wasn't as powerful as he was on his original summoning prior to his sundering. The only thing that happened was the seal on him was broken. This shattering only broke his imprisonment. He was powerful, but not nearly as powerful as how the unsundered know him to be. This point is also a little bit weird, because the argument could just be made of "why didn't they just do this then to break his seal, instead of the rejoining escapades" - and I think the key difference here is that Fandaniel wasn't concerned with the methods, just the result, to which his methods could have potentially prevented bringing back / restoring the mankind that they knew.

I'd have liked it if there was more on the causality of the final days as opposed to it being a projection of emotions on the celestial currents (as I understand it).

We still don't know the length of time between Meteion leaving the planet and when the final days started to hit the planet(?), not only that Emet-Selch had openly admitted that their methods would not have carried mankind so far. The ancients weren't concerned with solving the fundamental cause of it as they were with just delaying the inevitable and feeding Zodiark to resurrect the sacrificed. Plus, I am pretty sure that the ancients didn't have the ability to manipulate/manifest dynamis given how dense their own aether is, and to my knowledge it is the abundance of aether which drowns out dynamis. The ancients were so crippled by their own despair that even trying to fight against dynamis or manifest it would have been nigh on futile.

At least this is the perspective I have on the story, and I think with her actions, and the 'reasoning' for them is precisely why she's ultimately a well developed character.

True about Zodiark, and yet he was basically just thrown away as the hidden antagonist that was built over several expansions already ~1/5-1/6 into Endwalker.

I won't let the point about the ancients lacking dynamis count, as one of their own, Hermes, did just fine in creating a dynamis being in Meteion, something which Venat, the former seat of Azem, and Emet-Selch should've easily been able to learn given their character backgrounds.

for the Zodiark complaint:
After SHB I feel that it was clear that Zodiark wasn't a big bad. He wasn't even a bad. Zodiark was essentially a sentient shield and once Elidibus was dead so went the "sentient" part of "sentient shield". While I do whish he were a bit more involved in the story, I think it would have been a bigger disservice to him/Elidibus had he been revealed as actually evil all along in the eleventh hour.

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This point is also a little bit weird, because the argument could just be made of "why didn't they just do this then to break his seal, instead of the rejoining escapades" - and I think the key difference here is that Fandaniel wasn't concerned with the methods, just the result, to which his methods could have potentially prevented bringing back / restoring the mankind that they knew.

The Watcher kinda explains that part: because neither the Watcher nor Hydaelyn were hurting Zodiark while he was imprisoned, he was safe there in his more vulnerable fractured state.

Fandaniel wanted him free while still incomplete because he wanted to use Zodiark as a battering ram and get him killed in the process.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

Let's break it down a bit here.

For this one, Zodiark isn't whole. There are other shards out there that haven't been rejoined as we stopped the Ascians in their tracks. That is why he was severely weaker than he could have been. Was it a bit of a let down? Definitely, but it brought him(and the most annoying thing) to an end.

Meteion was an extreme empath. Every bit of emotion, from anyone, was felt by her. She loved Etherius, and it's people, enough that after witnessing, and feeling, the despair and grief of hundreds of dying worlds, she resolved that the end of existence was for the betterment of mankind. The fact that there were dozens(hundreds/thousands?) of them, meant that every single one, when they linked their consciousness, felt it and came to the same conclusion.

This one is more speculation, but it's due to the fact that if she did do anything other than what she did do, we wouldn't have had anything to go back to. It would potentially not have existed as per any time paradox that would happen from changing any major point in history. It at least allowed her to be able to prepare her champions in a way she saw fit to be able to at least attempt to stop Meteion.

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I won't let the point about the ancients lacking dynamis count, as one of their own, Hermes, did just fine in creating a dynamis being in Meteion, something which Venat, the former seat of Azem, and Emet-Selch should've easily been able to learn given their character backgrounds.

That was an interesting point I thought. Hermes, even if he didn't realize it, did seem to be moved by emotion, ie dynamis. So it opens up the idea that Ancients may have been able to affect or manipulate it. I had a thought that maybe Azem could, too, after Venat mentioned how strong they were when they first fought, and this may have been what Azem was looking into instead of the primal solution.

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Okay, so it's not just me. I was wondering if someone else was seeing the weird format of how it is showing up...wonder if it's because of how I broke down the list without removing the list tags...

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Broken on mine, too. I applaud the talent necessary in breaking the forums that badly.

Dunno. A lot of these complaints I see about Zodiark getting offed in the first half seem a little misguided. He's just a loose thread after 5.3, and dropping him in as the first trial is a fantastic surprise. I can't imagine he'd be more interesting as a last boss, and having Fandaniel make good on his wish to kill himself and bring us all with him made their use of Zodiark apropos.

The naivety of Hermes, coupled with bird girl's findings made a fantastic surprise as well. Our ultimate enemy isn't something deep underground or an Other from the depths of space -- both of which were built up in the narrative -- it's "our" own creation (so is despair.) Hermes' half-flip of letting things play out and then wiping his own memory so he would be a defender against the apocalypse was pretty cool as well; they could've easily gone the boring route and just made him a cackling villain right then and there, but they let the passage of time drive him mad. He's actually a solid counterpoint to Emet, in that aspect.

Venat -- I am loathe to say time travel is something I would jump into without hesitation, but I'm willing to exchange that apprehension for what we get in Elpis. Some of my favorite interactions in the entire game are with her, and seeing the lyrics to Answers brought to life is worth the price of admission alone. For me, at least. Seeing the ancients going about their daily lives was also a blast, and the sidequests there are well worth playing through and paying attention.

Zenos? The mistake is they brought him back after Stormblood. I think him being a "bonus" fight at the end of the expansion is the best they could possibly do with him, and I don't think multiple 1v1s with him would've gone over well with a huge chunk of players. For those players, I think an option to abandon him at the end of the universe would've been a nice one to have-- but I also would've wanted an option to immediately accept him (in the vein of "oh heck yes, let's dunk on her and play together after") as soon as he appears in front of the Endsinger.

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I agree with you on all of this. I personally enjoyed the story. It ended the whole arc I've been playing since 1.0 pretty well. I'm satisfied. I went into this expansion expecting it to not be as good as Shadowbringers because to me, that was near on perfection as you can get for an MMO story. I was actually surprised that he was the first trial though and I think it worked, for reasons you stated.

I also like that going forward, looks like I'm going back to my adventurer roots and I love that. I do feel my character is an adventurer first. That is what makes her tick (I'm sure that's what made Azem tick too based on everything we know about them).

As for Zenos, I was over him when he died at the end of Stormblood and one who wasn't happy they brought him back. I know some people love him. I do not, and I was really concerned with how he would be dealt with in EW. I actually was happy with what they did with him. I could live with all of it and I actually found myself enjoying the battle at the end. It made sense to me. This is all he wanted and my character... well happy to oblige at that point once the danger to the world was dealt with and finish him off once and for good.

One of my favorite things I read about the story is when someone compared Meteion to one of those Self-Learning AI Programs that they tried to introduce to the internet.

Except instead of becoming Genocidal, the AI in real life just became a giant racist.

95% of the FFXIV players.... Endwalker is awesome!

The other 5%... We're gonna live on the official forums!

If im honest i was let down by Zodiark not because i wanted him as a final boss but because i didnt want to fight him at all. I wanted to see the kind of god / saviour he was. I wanted to see what he truly looked like at his full power and i wanted there to be meaning behind the choice to free him. Instead we were baited into the idea of giving a choice. I understand why they made him souless and weak, but i dunno, i think it would have been cool to see and understand who and what Zodiark really was. Instead we got this gimped version controlled by a phychopath. I guess its because of elidibus, but i would have liked to see a zodiark and elidibus combined and seen them help us face meteon.

I'll respect the Devs that this was their vision, but i think they squandered a lot of what they have spent years building. Zodiark's closure was disappointing and meteion's inclusion, felt a little shoehorned in, while meaning to be a twist.

But the overall biggest complaint is the level of plot armour and fake-out deaths that were present in the last zone. I honestly understand the intention but by undoing the deaths it robbed the experience of meaning. Far better for Alisae to have turned in the second half of Thavnair and had to have been killed. It would have been much more impactful (I say Alisae because she seemed the most likely IMO to turn)

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I am very bored of this "End of the World" anime crap... FFXIV used to have a mature story with inter-state politics playing a primary role, skilfully crafting allusions to real life. The Garlean Empire was made out in the end to be a straight out "bad guy", rather then the rich contextualisation they received in both ARR and Heavensward. It was a mature, gritty story where BOTH sides were doing evil things and played well with the dynamic of the beast tribes, displaced from their lands and desperately relying on their primals to bring them deliverance from poverty.

This story was boring and boiled down to "Hermes's love doll got sad and tried to blow up the Universe".

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If im honest i was let down by Zodiark not because i wanted him as a final boss but because i didnt want to fight him at all. I wanted to see the kind of god / saviour he was. I wanted to see what he truly looked like at his full power and i wanted there to be meaning behind the choice to free him. Instead we were baited into the idea of giving a choice. I understand why they made him souless and weak, but i dunno, i think it would have been cool to see and understand who and what Zodiark really was. Instead we got this gimped version controlled by a phychopath. I guess its because of elidibus, but i would have liked to see a zodiark and elidibus combined and seen them help us face meteon.

I'll respect the Devs that this was their vision, but i think they squandered a lot of what they have spent years building. Zodiark's closure was disappointing and meteion's inclusion, felt a little shoehorned in, while meaning to be a twist.

But the overall biggest complaint is the level of plot armour and fake-out deaths that were present in the last zone. I honestly understand the intention but by undoing the deaths it robbed the experience of meaning. Far better for Alisae to have turned in the second half of Thavnair and had to have been killed. It would have been much more impactful (I say Alisae because she seemed the most likely IMO to turn)

He wouldn't have been much. He was created to be a tool to stop the Final Days and without Elidibus as his heart, he was basically just a mindless zombie.

Zodiark in FFXII is a huge feathered bird monster.

Meteion is a huge feathered bird monster.

Technically the final boss is still Zodiark in all but name.

They did this in Final Fantasy X as well, the game revelled in objectifying Rikku. Its not xenophobic to point out a pattern here.

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They did this in Final Fantasy X as well, the game revelled in objectifying Rikku. Its not xenophobic to point out a pattern here.

Except they're not objectifying of Meteion in the game? There was nothing remotely sexual about her.

Her voice is really creepy, her personality is the same "pathetic girl" trope you see in a lot of animes/games (Colette from Tales of Symphonia springs to mind). As soon as I saw her, I thought... Yeah, this girl is going to be a villain. They may not being objectifying but why have a character like that in the game at all? I found her creepy and rather annoying in Elpis. Her plot arc is essentially "becoming an emo because the universe isn't what you want it to be". Its really shallow if I'm honest... plus she isn't wearing any trousers.

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One of my favorite things I read about the story is when someone compared Meteion to one of those Self-Learning AI Programs that they tried to introduce to the internet.

Except instead of becoming Genocidal, the AI in real life just became a giant racist.

to be fair, i don't want to know what the incarnation of the purest form of racism could do if it also basically had the power to end people with a thought, thinking about it like that meteion turned out quite noble actually.

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Her voice is really creepy, her personality is the same "pathetic girl" trope you see in a lot of animes/games (Colette from Tales of Symphonia springs to mind). As soon as I saw her, I thought... Yeah, this girl is going to be a villain. They may not being objectifying but why have a character like that in the game at all? I found her creepy and rather annoying in Elpis. Her plot arc is essentially "becoming an emo because the universe isn't what you want it to be". Its really shallow if I'm honest... plus she isn't wearing any trousers.

You... really have the strangest complaints. It honestly feels like you're just reaching for things to hate about the game now.

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Her voice is really creepy, her personality is the same "pathetic girl" trope you see in a lot of animes/games (Colette from Tales of Symphonia springs to mind). As soon as I saw her, I thought... Yeah, this girl is going to be a villain. They may not being objectifying but why have a character like that in the game at all? I found her creepy and rather annoying in Elpis. Her plot arc is essentially "becoming an emo because the universe isn't what you want it to be". Its really shallow if I'm honest... plus she isn't wearing any trousers.

I didn't get this at all. I knew she'd be an important character, but I didn't see her as the "last boss" until The Incident. If anything, she's a self-learning AI naively sent into the Internet. Which then discovers the chans.

Yeah, i'm not sure about FFX but Meteion wasn't objectified or sexualized in anyway.

She was if anything more of a familiar to Hermes, a creation to help with his studies that he cared for deeply because of her inquisitive and friendly nature.

Not sure where exactly this take is coming from.

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You... really have the strangest complaints. It honestly feels like you're just reaching for things to hate about the game now.

Not at all, I don't "hate" the game at all, but its not perfect either and some of its choices are very standard for Japanese games.

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The true cause of the Final Days is a pet-project from an ancient which goes mad after observing countless dead world and possibly causing the death of several world by projecting negative emotions unto them, and is thus dead-set on bringing despair to every world, upon which said ancient goes mad and is now letting her run her course to test humanity if they can withstand/fight despair

I thought Meteion was an awful final boss as well. Also, her source of power, Dynamis, was equally silly.

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I thought Meteion was an awful final boss as well. Also, her source of power, Dynamis, was equally silly.

I will agree that I kind of felt Dynamis was an ass pull.

It seems to have been shoved in and retrofitted as an explanation to things that could have easily have just been attributed to Adrenaline or Determination. Like using Dynamis to explain Limit Breaks, does this mean Elidibus had a shit ton of Dynamis during our final fight?

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I thought Meteion was an awful final boss as well. Also, her source of power, Dynamis, was equally silly.

Agreed. I don't think it was a particularly satisfying trial, either. The first phase is decent though the second phase consisting of the boss almost exclusively just flailing about did very little for me.

Hard disagree on that. It was completely fine to me. Sure i had some head scratchers along the way too, but 99% was full of joy, suffering, hope, sadness and whatnot.

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I dont see how theyre really misguided. This entire 8-10 year arc has been dubbed the Hydaelyn AND ZODIARK arc. Yet, the heart of Zodiark is dealt with within 2 patches(one technically) and zodiark himself is dealt with early on in the expansion that is supposed to be tying up the arc. His heart is then also killed off within 5 minutes. Meanwhile weve had hydaelyn talking in our ear since the beginning of the game and venat had an entire arc in elpis. Not to mention Venat and Hydaelyn being painted as the savior and Zodiark/Elidibus getting basically 0 credit.I think it wouldve been far more interesting to see more of Elidibus along with Zodiark together much how we saw hydaelyn numerous times.Instead he was just used as a prop and killed off swiftly. I think its especially sad when you have a character like Zenos who outlived such important and prominent characters all for him to not even get any lore built on his past plot points(why hes so strong, his memories of the final days etc etc.)

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