Why isn't the MSQ roulette EXP consistent?

Something I've noticed. When I get thrown into Praetorium via the Duty Roulette, sometimes I will gain a full level. Sometimes I overlevel. Or, like just 10 minutes, I get 60% of a level. And no it's nothing to do with whether my role was in need when I queued. Or my level. I'm in the level 80 range, and I've had runs on other jobs where my role wasn't needed and still gained a full level. This time I was tanking and tanks were in need. Still got barely any experience.

What is the point of doing this roulette if I can't be certain whether or not I will get more exp than a regular dungeon? Especially considering I get near insta-ques for anything as a tank. It's bad enough that the roulette exp overall (not just MSQ) is pretty weak, but for it to be inconsistent is just making me not want to do it and just dungeon spam and run fate trains.

If anything the duty roulette should tell me the exact amount of exp I will get. I'm tired of sometimes getting good exp and sometimes getting crap, especially with an instance that's 45 minutes long and 70% unskippable cutscenes. I just don't understand what the reason for the inconsistent exp is.

Depends on which one of the two you get, your level range, if you get the class in need bonus. It can't tell you the exact bonus EXP you get because of everything that could make it change.

You may complete certain challenge log entries that give a some Exp.

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Originally Posted by Bacent

Depends on which one of the two you get, your level range, if you get the class in need bonus. It can't tell you the exact bonus EXP you get because of everything that could make it change.

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Yes, I mentioned all of that. That's not the issue. For example, my last run only less than an hour ago, I was tanking, tanks were in need, I qued and got Praetorium. Only got 60% of a level. I'm level 80 and have gotten a full level in this level range from Prae. So why did I get so much less than I've gotten in the past under the same conditions? It's not consistent is my point.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

You may complete certain challenge log entries that give a some Exp.

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What exactly does this have to do with anything? I know that, but I'm not talking about that. That's not the issue, the issue is Praetorium in the MSQ roulette gives me a very different amount of exp each for no apparent reason, regardless of level range, or if my role was needed.

I'm at the point where I'm not even going to bother with it ever again, it's a waste of time if it's not a full level or at least just about.

Having a first timer in there also gives a significant experience and tome buff and it applies to everyone. Maybe that is why one was low if everyone had already done it. There are a lot of new runners so the extra experience will be applied more often than not right now.

Did you use any food buff? Also FC buff and the preorder Earring bonus? Cuz those fo affect roulette exp as well.

You get significantly less exp at level 80 vs 81+

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

Something I've noticed. When I get thrown into Praetorium via the Duty Roulette, sometimes I will gain a full level. Sometimes I overlevel. Or, like just 10 minutes, I get 60% of a level. And no it's nothing to do with whether my role was in need when I queued. Or my level. I'm in the level 80 range, and I've had runs on other jobs where my role wasn't needed and still gained a full level. This time I was tanking and tanks were in need. Still got barely any experience.

What is the point of doing this roulette if I can't be certain whether or not I will get more exp than a regular dungeon? Especially considering I get near insta-ques for anything as a tank. It's bad enough that the roulette exp overall (not just MSQ) is pretty weak, but for it to be inconsistent is just making me not want to do it and just dungeon spam and run fate trains.

If anything the duty roulette should tell me the exact amount of exp I will get. I'm tired of sometimes getting good exp and sometimes getting crap, especially with an instance that's 45 minutes long and 70% unskippable cutscenes. I just don't understand what the reason for the inconsistent exp is.

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I thought the amount of bonus experience is based on how many first timers are in the duty.

I think it's because Castrum is considerably shorter than Praetorium, which has faaar more unskipable cutscenes. So they had it give less xp.

And that's the BASE xp, before all the unrelated bonuses of all sorts and colors and flavors everybody in the thread keep mentioning.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

I think it's because Castrum is considerably shorter than Praetorium, which has faaar more unskipable cutscenes. So they had it give less xp.

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Weirdly, Castrum needs more "skill", in the run to the ceruleum tanks, the ceruleum tanks, the run to the cannons, and the to platforms and two big guys bit before Lydia. All that trash being dealt with should buff the XP reward more on the bosses more.

Prae is a lot more tank and spank after the first two dashs.

(yeah I put "" around skill, we over level it by a mile still)

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Weirdly, Castrum needs more "skill", in the run to the ceruleum tanks, the ceruleum tanks, the run to the cannons, and the to platforms and two big guys bit before Lydia. All that trash being dealt with should buff the XP reward more on the bosses more.

Prae is a lot more tank and spank after the first two dashs.

(yeah I put "" around skill, we over level it by a mile still)

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I think the deciding factor for the xp is not """difficulty""" but "how long it takes". How many runs you can do of one dungeon vs the other in a given time.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

I think the deciding factor for the xp is not """difficulty""" but "how long it takes". How many runs you can do of one dungeon vs the other in a given time.

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Yes, indeed. However trash used to give XP. And there is a lot, lot more trash in there. I feel the XP isn't correct for the extra work, even if the time is less. I've seen a lot of fishing for Prae, and that has to be impacting the first-time-runners.

However, 90 isn't hard to reach, and the XP is moot once you are there. The tomes are more important.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Yes, indeed. However trash used to give XP. And there is a lot, lot more trash in there. I feel the XP isn't correct for the extra work, even if the time is less. I've seen a lot of fishing for Prae, and that has to be impacting the first-time-runners.

However, 90 isn't hard to reach, and the XP is moot once you are there. The tomes are more important.

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A LOT of that trash is avoidable or mass killable if people wouldn't just.. Run. Nobody stops at the first cannons anymore, everyone pulls that very first blob of guards that GO AWAY ONCE YOU TRIGGER THE LIGHTS. HEAVEN HELP ME WHEN PEOPLE PULL THE LAST PACK OF COLOSSI!


I'M NOT BITTER YOU'RE BITTER!

Because there's too many factors to take into account:

- Did you have first timers?
- Were you wearing Memphina's Earring?
- Did you complete a challenge log on top that stealthily gave you the boost to get the full level?
- Was your class in need?
- Did you get Prae or Castrum?
- Did you join a party in progress and missed out on a boss (or previously also trash) experience?

So yeah: It is not consistent because the amount of experience changes based on a lot of unpredictable factors. Nothing new really, it's been like this for years. The only consistent thing is the very base XP you get for the roulette itself, but that's never applied by itself in a vacuum.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

You get significantly less exp at level 80 vs 81+

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This. You need to take into account your level. XP scaling for MSQ roulette is not linear, it's not "you get 90% of your level whatever your level is".

Well as people pointed out there are MANY variables that might have netted you more xp but without seeing you exact cercumstance we can only splitball reasons to you. no matter how you cut it its damn good xp either way. I personally get VERY disappointed when i get castrum. Preatorium for life

I feel this.

Ran prae at 89 on my mch, he had like 5-10% exp into level. Finish the run and he just flat out levels to 90. I was bewildered as I never thought it gave that much. There was no challenge done, no adventurer in need.

Ran it again on my paladin at like 82-83, and it just gave me around 60% of a level, it does feel very random

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Originally Posted by Areic

I feel this.

Ran prae at 89 on my mch, he had like 5-10% exp into level. Finish the run and he just flat out levels to 90. I was bewildered as I never thought it gave that much. There was no challenge done, no adventurer in need.

Ran it again on my paladin at like 82-83, and it just gave me around 60% of a level, it does feel very random

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You only get the big main scenario roulette bonus once a day and Meridianum gives noticeably less xp than Praetorium due to the time it takes to complete. If your paladin only got 60% of a level then it sounds like you got Meridianum instead of Praetorium.

Unfortunately they can't make the xp the same between them or else everyone would abandon Praetorium to try for Meridianum. It's already bad enough that people sometimes bail on Meridianum because it doesnt give as much as Praetorium. It would be worse if they made the xp the same between them, only it would be Praetorium that would be bailed on, and by far more people due to its length. As it is now there's give and take. Meridianum is shorter for less xp and Praetorium is longer for more xp.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Yes, indeed. However trash used to give XP.

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Trash mob XP was moved to the bosses in all dungeons. It didn't go away. You just get it when you kill a boss instead. Which actually means any mobs you skip are helping you get better xp/time.

XP bonuses are reduced for the last 10 levels before level cap. Accessories like earrings stop working, Armory bonus drops from 100% to 50%, roulette bonuses also seem to be halved.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

What exactly does this have to do with anything? I know that, but I'm not talking about that. That's not the issue, the issue is Praetorium in the MSQ roulette gives me a very different amount of exp each for no apparent reason, regardless of level range, or if my role was needed.

I'm at the point where I'm not even going to bother with it ever again, it's a waste of time if it's not a full level or at least just about.

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It has to do with how much exp you get at the end of a dungeon. You say you gain 60% of a level, which could mean you are literally calculating it or you are just looking at the bar and guesstimating. You provide no data. But as some have said you should expect significantly less at, and above 80.

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Originally Posted by Nicodemus_Mercy

You only get the big main scenario roulette bonus once a day and Meridianum gives noticeably less xp than Praetorium due to the time it takes to complete. If your paladin only got 60% of a level then it sounds like you got Meridianum instead of Praetorium.

Unfortunately they can't make the xp the same between them or else everyone would abandon Praetorium to try for Meridianum. It's already bad enough that people sometimes bail on Meridianum because it doesnt give as much as Praetorium. It would be worse if they made the xp the same between them, only it would be Praetorium that would be bailed on, and by far more people due to its length. As it is now there's give and take. Meridianum is shorter for less xp and Praetorium is longer for more xp.

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I've been playing the game for years, I know the difference between prae and castrum, I got prae.

I made sure to note it as I didn't think it should give that much, and it in fact didn't in my paladin

For reaching level 80, the most efficient levelling method will be POTD > HOH > BOZJA, but after that, you can take whatever path you want until they add another levelling boost method to the game just as they did in previous expansions. I have found roulette are not worth doing except for gaining tomestones from them.