Please add a pity system to the Raid Tier

23 times. Twenty-three times. I've had to go in. I come out empty handed. I've carried a few groups as Healer and even then I got nothing.

It is extremely demoralizing when nigh consistently you get 1s and 5s and 10s or get outrolled when you roll a 91 just to get the piece you want. I understand the grind is there because "We need to help others clear for the first time!" I know it's there for that reason. It's just extremely frustrating running the same fight over and over and over 23 times straight and getting nothing out of it to the point you basically just don't feel like it's fun anymore for the week. Sure, we have Tomes! But those devalue extremely quickly until we get the Weekly Tomestones.

We need a pity system that allows us to exchange for pieces on Normal Mode clears and checks to see if you've received the reward for the week from that specific fight. Make it a weekly. Run the fight 4 times and then get a Normal Mode Token for that week to exchange for any piece you want to get for exchange. It'll clear out the Reward for that specific fight for that week once you obtain the token, and if you've already cleared out the reward for the week, you can't get the token.

It is just extremely frustrating running these fights right now.

Could also pf it. Run it, at most, 8 times and you're guaranteed a piece.

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Originally Posted by Roda

Could also pf it. Run it, at most, 8 times and you're guaranteed a piece.

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Most of the time I've seen PF be pretty dead in regards to this content unless you're in a static that's willing to run this weekly for everyone's pieces.

The way loot drops in normal mode is one of the weakest aspects of the game. OP, your situation is an outlier, but I remember on week 1 having to run the second boss 7 times before I got what I wanted. It sucks.


Honestly, I'd be happy if there was just Raid Tokens that drop from every boss, to every participating player, guaranteed. One per boss, for a max of four per week. Keep the current exchange rates. So you do the four bosses, then you exchange for whatever you want. Yes, it leads to less re-runs (and so less playtime, which is important to developers), but it would make normal raids so much less frustrating.

Are you only rolling on chest tokens and thus lock yourself out of everything else? I have no pity for greed.

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Originally Posted by Atamis

Are you only rolling on chest tokens and thus lock yourself out of everything else? I have no pity for greed.

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This isn't about greed. It's about getting what people want for the week. You need 4 tokens for Chest/Pants. That means an entire tier's worth of exchange for just a week. We aren't even in Savage yet. People gearing up for Savage want this gear so that when Crafted comes out, they either A) Craft whatever they need, or B) work weekly to get the pieces they need for iLv bumps.

You get 1 piece per fight. 4 Fights. Each with a weekly lockout.

As for what @Eli85 mentioned, I think that'd honestly be a good way to do it. We get Blades every time we beat the 4th Boss every week, and that goes towards the Tomestone Weapon Upgrade when we get to the 7th week; 5th week after Savage is out.

The crafted gear is almost certainly going to be of the same ilvl; just get that if a piece continues to elude you.
50/50 on which is better due to secondary stats. The secondaries matter, but not at the cost of your sanity.

Yeah, I get what you’re saying, but I feel like if I ran it even half of what you did I would just settle for another piece and try again next week for the piece I was looking for.

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

23 times. Twenty-three times. I've had to go in. I come out empty handed. I've carried a few groups as Healer and even then I got nothing.

It is extremely demoralizing when nigh consistently you get 1s and 5s and 10s or get outrolled when you roll a 91 just to get the piece you want. I understand the grind is there because "We need to help others clear for the first time!" I know it's there for that reason. It's just extremely frustrating running the same fight over and over and over 23 times straight and getting nothing out of it to the point you basically just don't feel like it's fun anymore for the week. Sure, we have Tomes! But those devalue extremely quickly until we get the Weekly Tomestones.

We need a pity system that allows us to exchange for pieces on Normal Mode clears and checks to see if you've received the reward for the week from that specific fight. Make it a weekly. Run the fight 4 times and then get a Normal Mode Token for that week to exchange for any piece you want to get for exchange. It'll clear out the Reward for that specific fight for that week once you obtain the token, and if you've already cleared out the reward for the week, you can't get the token.

It is just extremely frustrating running these fights right now.

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23 times? I remember when I had to kill thousands of monsters for that 0.01% loot drop. They don't make them like they used to!

The system it's like this to "trap" certain players to keep that que moving. I mean, now each boss drop 8 tokens so in reality there is no reason for having different currencies. All turns could give 1 to each member and let them buy whatever they wanted with current cost.

Anyway as a tip, if you haven't done this yet out of desperation, try to hold a little bit the rol for the piece you want so others distributed first. FFXIV player base is rather casual and a good amount of participants will roll for every items just to get something and move on, unless you end with players wanting to get X glamour.

At the very least will incrase your chances a bit.

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Originally Posted by Atamis

Are you only rolling on chest tokens and thus lock yourself out of everything else? I have no pity for greed.

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It’s not really greed, it’s people getting what’s BiS for their job atm and for raiding.

I’d rather they just give up on the specific token system and loot rolls completely. Give everyone a token, then charge 1 token for an accessory, 2 for a minor piece of armor, 4 for a major piece of armor, and retain the 1 weekly clear token for the weapon.

Not only would this reduce the annoyance of everyone on the datacenter going for chest/legs, but I won’t have to keep throwing away piles of junk once the tier is over. No more opening the token chest and scooting before you get 8 tokens you don’t want.

0/8 here gonna try again tommorrow because i got bored

The only slight mercy this time around is we no longer need to worry about belts.

I did see multiple party finders up today but the thing is they all put "i want chest, rest is yours" instead of "we all stay until we all get what we want"...

If people want help from others it is just common courtesy that you help those others back... Reasons why I respected the logic of the nu mou :D

As someone who had to run Dun Scaith fifty-two times to get the one thing I wanted, I totally agree. The random aspect and lotting is fine for the most part but there needs to be some kind of safety net for people who are just flat out unlucky and can't do a static.

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Originally Posted by Atamis

Are you only rolling on chest tokens and thus lock yourself out of everything else? I have no pity for greed.

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the heck? This is news to me. How on earth rolling for something you need "greedy" ?

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

the heck? This is news to me. How on earth rolling for something you need "greedy" ?

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Wdym? You should take four random tokens that probably won't even be tradeable for a single item and be happy with it.

/s

Would be great if the game rewarded players who completed the raid to help new people in raid finder, who haven’t completed the raid.

Give these people a personal drop one time a week. This would help people who struggle with bad groups get a clear and help new players themselves.

There already is a pity system.

Roll need on what you wanted, and greed on the rest.
- You will get SOMETHING. Just not the things you wanted in the order you wanted them.

That said, I do feel it should just give a 'Pandaemonium token' and not be by type. I find it outdated that it's split by type...

But under the system they have, their expectation is that people will have a backup roll...

By week 2 or 3, no one will be left rolling on body except for the people who didn't get it after 32 tries on week one. But they also expected those people will have gotten legs or accessories or hats and gloves or something in week one.

I mean, a pity system is fine for old raids if you’re glamour farming. But they’ll never add it to the current one. They want you to feed the queues for as long as possible.

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Originally Posted by Roda

Could also pf it. Run it, at most, 8 times and you're guaranteed a piece.

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Used to see these kinds of PF adverts pretty regularly back in HW.
Wasn't unusual at all, all 8 members would pick what they wanted from each floor and then the party would stay together until everyone achieved their desired drop. Worked pretty well back in the day.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I mean, a pity system is fine for old raids if you’re glamour farming. But they’ll never add it to the current one. They want you to feed the queues for as long as possible.

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I get that, but there's literally no replayability except when you're there farming out the new Tomestone that's coming on the 4th. That'd literally be a reason to keep going because you're also getting Tomestones for your other stuff for Savage. Right now there is no real incentive, and after Shadowbringers and them changing the item drops to all, it shows that it's aged quite a bit the past two years. Having a guarantee of some kind like Savage has would be a godsend. Run all four, get an item(or item(s) as people have said given how exchange rates work in XIV for raid tiers) and then it moves on. Considering that the Normal Raids are still new, they're going to still be done even on Normal Mode since it's still fresh. When it starts to age, the wait times might go up a little; but even then there would still be incentive for the weekly tomestones to reiterate, as you'd be killing two birds with one stone mostly.

We've just been through the same song and dance one too many times already where you have to literally fight tooth and nail to get the piece you need for that floor every week.

I just roll ‘Need’ on everything. Get one drop, I’m golden. Might not be the MOST efficient but it certainly saves wasted angst.

I only ran it once per area last week and got an item every time :o

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Originally Posted by EmoPanther

I only ran it once per area last week and got an item every time :o

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I'm so happy for you :D

I had to farm this much in heavensward once. In my day, we only got 4 loot drops instead of 8 and items like body, legs and rings did not drop from all of the floors.

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

I get that, but there's literally no replayability except when you're there farming out the new Tomestone that's coming on the 4th. That'd literally be a reason to keep going because you're also getting Tomestones for your other stuff for Savage. Right now there is no real incentive, and after Shadowbringers and them changing the item drops to all, it shows that it's aged quite a bit the past two years. Having a guarantee of some kind like Savage has would be a godsend. Run all four, get an item(or item(s) as people have said given how exchange rates work in XIV for raid tiers) and then it moves on. Considering that the Normal Raids are still new, they're going to still be done even on Normal Mode since it's still fresh. When it starts to age, the wait times might go up a little; but even then there would still be incentive for the weekly tomestones to reiterate, as you'd be killing two birds with one stone mostly.

We've just been through the same song and dance one too many times already where you have to literally fight tooth and nail to get the piece you need for that floor every week.

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And then you would be failing to do what the developers want you to do: feed the queues despite the lack of necessity for you to run the content. You’d be surprised at how many people would just stop running them for the week if they were guaranteed a drop after their first run. As you said, what would be the point (outside of just enjoying the fights)? None. Weekly tomes is weak since you get plenty more from doing 1 expert 5 days a week, or from doing Hunt trains. So, to prevent that, the drops and your rolls are at the mercy of RNGesus. It’s all working as the devs intended.

Soooooo what my team does is run it together to easily get the pieces but tbh it’s all alt gear trash in a week, buy the new crafted gear penta meld it and your gonna be BIS for awhile. I hate it because it invalidates EVERYTHING you Earned from Zodiark and Hydaelyn but I’ve been around since the beginning so I know the formula this game rolls with , hence why all my crafters and gathers are 90 by week 1. It’s bad design but I’ll be too busy counting all the Gil soon.

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Originally Posted by Hammerhorn

Soooooo what my team does is run it together to easily get the pieces but tbh it’s all alt gear trash in a week, buy the new crafted gear penta meld it and your gonna be BIS for awhile. I hate it because it invalidates EVERYTHING you Earned from Zodiark and Hydaelyn but I’ve been around since the beginning so I know the formula this game rolls with , hence why all my crafters and gathers are 90 by week 1. It’s bad design but I’ll be too busy counting all the Gil soon.

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Depends. Some prog BiS for Savage prefers normal mode gear over pentamelded crafted due to substat allocation (DNC recommended some normal pieces over crafted last expac because DNC doesn’t really want skill speed, so it was better to take the normal mode items that didn’t have it if the crafted pieces did; BRD also chose normal mode pieces with Crit over crafted back in SB because of how meaningful it was to the job). We’ll find out on Tuesday. The EX stuff will be irrelevant though.

Pass on everything but the item you want. Wait until all other items have either been won or hit the floor. Roll on the item you want. A lot of casual players just roll on everything and can no longer compete with your roll as soon as they win something else.

It's extremely rare for me to ever have to rerun any normal-modes using this method.