Is Tenacity relevant in EW?

Has anyone done the math yet on how much tenacity makes a difference dps wise. Didn’t know if there are calculated percentages yet. Been looking at balance discord but not much. Didn’t feel like re melding to see the difference. I’m sure it’s not that much but was looking at buying a bunch of materia

Still never.

Det is beating DH at the moment because of low stat values, but you still want DH to even it out.

Nope. TEN is still just as mediocre as ever.

DET is pretty great, though. If we ever got Direct Hit on our gear innately, I could see a reality where we might actually meld DET more often on non-WARs.

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Originally Posted by OdinelStarrei

Nope. TEN is still just as mediocre as ever.

DET is pretty great, though. If we ever got Direct Hit on our gear innately, I could see a reality where we might actually meld DET more often on non-WARs.

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Ok. That’s kind of what I thought. Just didn’t know the exact values. I’m currently a warrior as my first tank choice. So. Crit > DET for me? Is sks even necessary anymore since I no longer have an inner release window?

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Originally Posted by Sqwall

Ok. That’s kind of what I thought. Just didn’t know the exact values. I’m currently a warrior as my first tank choice. So. Crit > DET for me? Is sks even necessary anymore since I no longer have an inner release window?

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Det being over DH is a questionable motive atm, will have to see in the future. SKS values is always needed.

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Originally Posted by Sqwall

Has anyone done the math yet on how much tenacity makes a difference dps wise. Didn’t know if there are calculated percentages yet. Been looking at balance discord but not much. Didn’t feel like re melding to see the difference. I’m sure it’s not that much but was looking at buying a bunch of materia

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It's decent in dungeons when you don't know the quality of your healer and you want to pull big.

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Originally Posted by Sqwall

Ok. That’s kind of what I thought. Just didn’t know the exact values. I’m currently a warrior as my first tank choice. So. Crit > DET for me? Is sks even necessary anymore since I no longer have an inner release window?

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Made an error on miss read. If you're Warrior maining, it's still Det > DH.

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Originally Posted by Sqwall

Ok. That’s kind of what I thought. Just didn’t know the exact values. I’m currently a warrior as my first tank choice. So. Crit > DET for me? Is sks even necessary anymore since I no longer have an inner release window?

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yes, crit>det. SKS is unecessary, but unavoidable considering current gear. go with what you're comfy with.

What everyone else is saying is more or less still the norm; tenacity's value is still fairly low for what it is. However, with that being said, it works well enough for the short term, as melding tenacity is perfectly feasible for progression. Normally when going into new savage content, I'll focus a bit more on tenacity at first until I've gotten a good understanding of new mechanics and what to expect in regards to incoming damage. Once I've gotten the ground work of the fights down, I'll change gears and focus more on damage melds. So nothing's changed with tenacity; good for the short term but still not recommended for the long term.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

It's decent in dungeons when you don't know the quality of your healer and you want to pull big.

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So in other words it's a trash stat to meld.

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Originally Posted by Quintessa

So in other words it's a trash stat to meld.

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If you're doing Savage? Yes

If you're not fussed with Savage and play more casual content?
TEN can be useful. The difference in dmg between fully melding DET vs TEN isn't all that big, TEN provides 75% of the damage that DET does, and melding in general is already just icing on the cake anyway.
But as well as 75% dmg increase, you also get comparable defence increase AND increased healing received, so the survival benefits are twofold.
Survival benefits that don't matter in Savage, but do in dungeon pulls.

Not everyone does Savage, and of those who do, not all of them Tank Savage.
I for example love healing casual content, but wouldntdare heal Savage, which I'll only do on Tank or DPS.

I often find myself wishing they would do something to make tenacity the best option for one or two of the tanks just so I'd have an excuse to meld it. I like what it does, in theory, but in practice it continues to be nothing more than a trap for newer players.

i used ten for leveling. tried it with a lot on and with none and it seems to help a bit, but i wouldn't pick it over crit or det.

Maybe it is

I wish it was.