***(SPOILERS)Upon your return...(SPOILERS)***

...I will gift you a beautiful flower.

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Forums: I dOn'T UnDerSTanD tHe sTorY.

I don't get it, what was there not to understand in that scene?

If this is due to something from the Lore forums, might wanna take your potshots there. If this cause of something on reddit or twitter or whatever, same advice applies.

People still not getting that Despair was the enemy we had to (and must continue to) overcome. I'm honestly not surprised. This isn't directed at you OP, since I've noticed from your other posts that we're basically in agreement.

When it was clear what the lvl 83 trial was my immediate thought was "wait, already???", but I'm not really disappointed that a certain someone was a subversion. I mean, it's happened before, and baring some stuff here and there, I think EW was great. Made me teary throughout, but then again I was actually paying attention. Not liking the story because it's not your cup of tea is fair enough, but to say it doesn't make sense tells me someone just wasn't paying attention, that their personal biases are leaking through, or a mix of both.

Just reading posts over the week where people are missing so many obvious things. Like one poster didn't understand why we went back in time. Another poster didn't understand what the point of all the dead worlds was. Many people didn't understand why we had to have Meteion at all.

The entire saga - ARR to EW - came down to this moment here. In a field of flowers in the midst of despair, when Meteion remembers what Hermes said to her so long ago. And just to be clear, I'm not talking about people's opinion of this stuff. Some people like it, some people don't. Some people understood the point perfectly well, they just didn't think it worked. And that's life.

But to not understand what the story was truly about, what the whole story arc was truly about, after it was spelled out and then explicitly shown in this scene is just thoroughly missing the point.

Full disclosure, I'm also biased because of all the scenes in Endwalker, this one hit me the hardest.

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Originally Posted by Lium

Full disclosure, I'm also biased because of all the scenes in Endwalker, this one hit me the hardest.

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Everyone in my little friend group that went through this at roughly the same time seemed to like this scene the most. It really packs it all in to just a couple of minutes, and it works on several levels at once.

It has the classic payoff of someone waiting thousands of years for just one little promise being met, of course, as well as the buildup you experience within the Endwalker story, with everyone you've ever known getting you to the furthest corner of the universe just to make the moment happen.

Within that moment itself, it uses a bunch of the established features of the game world that you've learned about. You use the power of Azem that you recently understood and had bolstered by Hydaelyn, which you've been told not to use to summon the Scions, to bring forth two ancients you and Meteion met in Elpis. They have previously returned to the Aetherial Sea and have their memories of you and Meteion and Hermes all restored, and can use creation magic to make the whole thing happen when no one else could.

And then the flowers are called "Elpis" after the place that they came from and that you all met. But "Elpis" is also the spirit of Hope, and so you're quite literally bringing Hope to the embodiment of Despair.

It's really damned good, is what I'm saying.

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Originally Posted by Mirhd

People still not getting that Despair was the enemy we had to (and must continue to) overcome. I'm honestly not surprised. This isn't directed at you OP, since I've noticed from your other posts that we're basically in agreement.

When it was clear what the lvl 83 trial was my immediate thought was "wait, already???", but I'm not really disappointed that a certain someone was a subversion. I mean, it's happened before, and baring some stuff here and there, I think EW was great. Made me teary throughout, but then again I was actually paying attention. Not liking the story because it's not your cup of tea is fair enough, but to say it doesn't make sense tells me someone just wasn't paying attention, that their personal biases are leaking through, or a mix of both.

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There are plenty of plot holes. Many, courtesy of time travel, cause time travel hardly ever works.

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

If this is due to something from the Lore forums, might wanna take your potshots there. If this cause of something on reddit or twitter or whatever, same advice applies.

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This dude has been trolling all over the place, he refused to engage anybody in good faith both on the lore forums and on general discussion and to even understand what the conversation is about. He's literally blind with rage.

I honestly don't remember that many people who said they didn't understand the plot but seeing this I thought that maybe if you have to explain it to people and gasp in "how didn't you get it?!" then maybe the storytelling is not working in the best way. After all, this game is not some deep underground avant-garde arthouse and was definitely made for a larger audience, and when this audience is complaining about certain things in the plot maybe it's not them being slow...

But she wanted mcdonald’s

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Originally Posted by Ririta

This dude has been trolling all over the place, he refused to engage anybody in good faith both on the lore forums and on general discussion and to even understand what the conversation is about. He's literally blind with rage.

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Huh? I think you have me confused with someone else. I haven't been trolling at all. And blind with rage? Lol

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Originally Posted by Lium

Just reading posts over the week where people are missing so many obvious things. Like one poster didn't understand why we went back in time. Another poster didn't understand what the point of all the dead worlds was. Many people didn't understand why we had to have Meteion at all.

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As I replied to those posts during the week, I came to realization that a lot of people are either new to, or simply don't understand abstract story telling. Another example is I see some say the sundering scene doesn't make sense because "isn't there supposed to be a healing period, second summoning, why Venat is not Hydalen .etc.". Like, that scene is not a direct re-creation of what actually happened. Emer-Setch and Venat should be bitter enemies at that point, but they just passed each others. There was a dude getting eaten alive and Venat just walk by without lifting a finger (which is completely out of character), and of course no way Venat could have evoke the sundering in her human form.

Just like the other scenes you had mentioned, this sundering scene isn't about the sundering, but to convey the abstracted justification of why it was needed. Yet a lot of people treat it as if it's about the sundering itself.

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Originally Posted by Lium

Huh? I think you have me confused with someone else. I haven't been trolling at all. And blind with rage? Lol

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What is this thread then if not trolling?

People were arguing about the use of certain plot devices and you start provoking as if they're clueless about everything or didn't "understand the story". I mean, it's fine if you're ok with this stuff, but one doesn't needs to, for example, "misunderstand the story" to dislike time travel.

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Originally Posted by Ririta

What is this thread then if not trolling?

People were arguing about the use of certain plot devices and you start provoking as if they're clueless about everything or didn't "understand the story". I mean, it's fine if you're ok with this stuff, but one doesn't needs to, for example, "misunderstand the story" to dislike time travel.

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And I’ve been engaging with every single one of you. Here and in the lore section in a very respectful manner. Hell, even in the OP I stated that I’m not talking about people who simply disliked it. I’m talking about people who missed very obvious things. And if you’re not one of them then my comments weren’t directed at you.