If you want any chance of SE taking action to stop AFK botting, post in this thread

This is the last thread I'm making on the topic. I have already made several about it. After this it's out of my hands, but I'll keep the thread alive and on the front page if others will.

If you think SE needs to do *something* about people using third party tools / macros to stay logged into the game the entire day, then please post in this thread. Post it in repeatedly, every day, until we get an official response, or the issue is otherwise resolved. This is pretty much the only method that has any chance of actually reaching SE ears.



If the thread dies, I'm done.

There's nothing they can do and I would rather they don't waste their time and resources trying to since it would likely end up negatively impacting legitimate players. If you give the game maybe a few more weeks, the hype will have died down and people will be done trying to reserve their spot early in the day and queues will not be more than 30mins. It's only because EW just released and people are worried they can't play at launch. It will pass soon enough.

I'm for It. I personally know at least 4-5 people that log in the morning, go work and leave the pg afk all day. Resets a few times a day Need to happens.

Who are you again? LOL

This is the thread, this is where it all starts!

Unable to get into my apartment to place the decorations. :( Much sadness there is, I am not spamming on the entrance simply to get inside of my own room that is silly.

Keep crying about the symptoms instead of the cause. People are entitled to access what they're paying for and for some this is the only option.

Wigging out and selfishly burning down the entire village is not.. you know what never mind. I see where this is going, I forget sometimes this is NA forums.

"I am gonna get what I want and everyone else can go sod off! Reeeeeeeeee"

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Originally Posted by HazyAssaulter

This is the last thread I'm making on the topic. I have already made several about it. After this it's out of my hands, but I'll keep the thread alive and on the front page if others will.

If you think SE needs to do *something* about people using third party tools / macros to stay logged into the game the entire day, then please post in this thread. Post it in repeatedly, every day, until we get an official response, or the issue is otherwise resolved. This is pretty much the only method that has any chance of actually reaching SE ears.
If the thread dies, I'm done.

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The only way for game company to truly prevent 3rd party tools is to install a spyware inside your computer
Are you willing to let them do that?
Privacy is a huge concern for our society right now

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Originally Posted by MiaShino

Wigging out and selfishly burning down the entire village is not.. you know what never mind. I see where this is going, I forget sometimes this is NA forums.

"I am gonna get what I want and everyone else can go sod off! Reeeeeeeeee"

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How dare we want more from the greenbacks we spend!

Propose a solution or go back to getting your consumer rights infringed

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

The only way for game company to truly prevent 3rd party tools is to install a spyware inside your computer
Are you willing to let them do that?
Privacy is a huge concern for our society right now

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They can take the exact same measures they took when this situation last happened, and reset the servers once a day, during the workday, a little before peak hours. Flush out all the people who set up an AFK bot before they went to work for the day. Worked like a charm.


Yes, there's the argument that things are different now, and what worked back then doesn't necessarily work now.


Still would like to get SE to acknowledge the problem to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Alklios

How dare we want more from the greenbacks we spend!

Propose a solution or go back to getting your consumer rights infringed

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What the heck are you on about? Read my previous post before you go full short guy syndrome on me I am in no mood. Jeeezus jimminy I just posted that I cannot get into my apartment. This was response to those who do afk. We wonder why tooltips go unread..

There are no non obstructive solutions to afk-ing. Anything I might propose would quickly become obnoxious for all.

Daily resets? That means being booted then back into queue you go.

Tighter afk timers? I hope you never get up from the pc for anything longer then five minutes. Swtor implements five second afk timer and tis so bad I am kicked when making characters sometimes.

GM contacting players who are idle in single locations for extended periods of time? This might work, though it puts additional strain on the GM team to enforce. It also means receiving impromptu messages from GMs at times for standing around talking in linkshells.

Limited play time per day? Please by the twelve no, this is not China.

Actual solutions would be not being selfish and logging out when you have finished playing like sensible individuals. I know full stop that those circumventing the afk timer will not heed such advice making this nonplussed.

I also know that no matter how I feel on the matter, Square's projection for new server hardware was somewhere within 2022. May this actually occur and assist in resolving congestion I hopes.

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Originally Posted by MiaShino

What the heck are you on about? Read my previous post before you go full short guy syndrome on me I am in no mood. Jeeezus jimminy I just posted that I cannot get into my apartment. This was response to those who do afk. We wonder why tooltips

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Better response this time. Give a construction, not bash the forum lol. Put on the bog boy pants.

For whatever reason, seems like they're trying like hell to avoid daily resets. Maybe we're too crowded now and resets risk insta-crashing the login servers as everyone rejoins. Maybe "peak hours" are spread out too much now and there's no smart time to reset. Maybe they just don't want to do it again, or changed something and now it's harder to reset, or maybe they've just been busy scrambling to keep the login servers from being crushed by all of us.

Whatever the case, maybe probably they've simply had other priorities, and maybe possibly if this continues to be a problem when all others are reasonably solved they may consider it.

I have become less and less inclined to now log out prior to prime time, as I have been doing. After seeing some of the downright hostility playing out across the community. I hope nobody feels the need to log out early, when the player that may be taking your spot will willingly disparage or attack other players - even for them simply having a couple level 90 jobs.

I am not botting to stay in, but I may rearrange my schedule, so I am still awake and playing during primetime.

This is like people crying about someone own multiple houses as the reason for the lack of housing ...

Is this a 1 post 1 prayer thread?

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

This is like people crying about someone own multiple houses as the reason for the lack of housing ...

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As Rick Sanchez states,

Hate the game not the player *bbeeellcchh*

If Square is anything like Blizzard, then they don’t even read/care about feedback from forums which are not their native language or home country.

At least in WoW the only forum where there was at least a slight chance of getting responses was the En-US forum.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

This is like people crying about someone own multiple houses as the reason for the lack of housing ...

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And its the same exaggeration of the problem. Multiowners are not the main reason you can't get a house, they're just making an existing supply problem slightly worse. Its the same with afk bots.

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Originally Posted by Alklios

Better response this time. Give a construction, not bash the forum lol. Put on the bog boy pants.

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Alright, I shall give you that. I can be most sassy at the times. Edit! Realized you typoed big bog pants and that creates a mental image most amusing. ;P

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

For whatever reason, seems like they're trying like hell to avoid daily resets.

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It seems they are avoiding anything overly obstructive, well attempting to at the least. Yoshi P and team have firm stances on certain things such as anti-cheat. This is stance I actually agree with completely. Though it may come to daily resets, I do so hope it doth not. Being yeeted from the game will become obnoxious faster then it will become accepted.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I have become less and less inclined to now log out prior to prime time, as I have been doing. After seeing some of the downright hostility playing out across the community. I hope nobody feels the need to log out early, when the player that may be taking your spot will willingly disparage or attack other players - even for them simply having a couple level 90 jobs.

I am not botting to stay in, but I may rearrange my schedule, so I am still awake and playing during primetime.

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This is most acceptable! At least for this lala over here. I do this too as I am freelance I can set my schedule to whenever I wish. However, am unwilling to engage with those using macros or any such stuffs to remain logged in. Many apologies if you feel included but aye nope. So long as you are engaging with the game during your time logged in this is okay.

It is those using macros or other such things only to publically flaunt their selfish behavior I have absolutely zero sympathy for.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I have become less and less inclined to now log out prior to prime time, as I have been doing. After seeing some of the downright hostility playing out across the community. I hope nobody feels the need to log out early, when the player that may be taking your spot will willingly disparage or attack other players - even for them simply having a couple level 90 jobs.

I am not botting to stay in, but I may rearrange my schedule, so I am still awake and playing during primetime.

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I'm seeing it too. I understand the frustrations but people taking it out on others does nothing.
Mods must be asleep because some people are attacking each other now.

I have mentioned this before in another thread, but there is really no way for them to do anything about it unless they spy on what people have on their pc's, or a server reset everyday. Many of the solutions would cause more issues.

A server reset every day would be extremely annoying. Just imagine being in a dungeon at the only time you can play and being kicked from the game because 3am is the reset time regardless of time zone or the players work hours.

Checking for what someone has installed on someone's pc messed up before for me personally. I installed a trainer for Darksiders 2 to get a depth of field option this was 7 years ago. I loaded up 7 days to die to play on a server a friend was hosting and it was flagging that program as a cheat for its anti cheat. Some mods were also flagged in that game so you could not use them or have anti cheat on your server if hosting a private server. I have cheat engine installed for a casual game on my pc and I know just having that program installed would be flagged in Final Fantasy.

Just report people you know may be botting or have suspicions of it. The only other option would be gms actively spying on people, which similar to someone spying on you irl, it is just not something I personally would wish for. Though I must admit, some things I have done in game would have been interesting for someone to have witnessed like the time I was trying to find elevators to get up on things you shouldn't be able to. This had happened in Limsa and I became self conscious someone would think I was a bot or something for attempting to climb on geometry.

Though afk botting aside, if there was a decent solution someone does come up with please implement it for the, no joke, over 50 lala bots who were traveling with just their head peeking out of the sand like sand sharks in Costa del sol. I have even seen a post of a gm denying they could see bots in the floor by the post moogle before as if to keep up the ruse 'ffxiv has no bots'

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Originally Posted by Faafetai

A server reset every day would be extremely annoying. Just imagine being in a dungeon at the only time you can play and being kicked from the game because 3am is the reset time regardless of time zone or the players work hours.

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They've done it at previous expansion with minimal impact. Vaguely recall it was always at the same time of day, and would always come with an in-game announcement at least an hour ahead of time so players attempting to queue up would know what to expect. Players knew about the resets and simply worked around them.

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Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl

And its the same exaggeration of the problem. Multiowners are not the main reason you can't get a house, they're just making an existing supply problem slightly worse. Its the same with afk bots.

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which is exactly what I meant. The amount of vitriol people putting in this argument make it sound almost like they think it will solve or improve the problem in any meaningful way.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

They've done it at previous expansion with minimal impact. Vaguely recall it was always at the same time of day, and would always come with an in-game announcement at least an hour ahead of time so players attempting to queue up would know what to expect. Players knew about the resets and simply worked around them.

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I think that if they tried it with EW, it wouldn't work out the way it did with previous expansions, just because of the poor load the log-in servers would experience upon the reset. Everyone would jump it at once, and we've seen how it handles under stress (See the authentication and log-in servers crapping out the other day for reference).

Normally I'd be all for the scheduled restarts, but in this case with such an unprecedented number of players, it may end up causing more harm than good this time.

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Originally Posted by ZedxKayn

Keep crying about the symptoms instead of the cause. People are entitled to access what they're paying for and for some this is the only option.

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I report every gather bot i come across. been doing it since ARR. Even had a few bots try and trade me stuff they gathered when you open trade window with them. The best thing is watch them Bug out and turn stealth off and get killed.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

which is exactly what I meant. The amount of vitriol people putting in this argument make it sound almost like they think it will solve or improve the problem in any meaningful way.

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Are you talking about vitriol in the forum or in the game?

AFK botting sucks or whatever but honestly it's bootlicker mentality blaming this problem on the other players. They're selfish, sure, but they're also just people trying to play the game they paid for. What you're doing is tantamount to blaming shoplifters for high prices, except the shoplifters didn't steal anything. Idk how they'd go about detecting this stuff since the people I've heard of are just using gaming keyboards with macro capabilities.

You do know the devs don't pay no attention to these forums, right? You'd be better served posting this on Reddit.

You should make another Reddit post about it, I'm sure that will help!

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

You should make another Reddit post about it, I'm sure that will help!

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And they are a moderator of said subbreddit too


@ OP we get your frustration , but your incessant reposting has changed you from an understandably disgruntled customer to a fanatical activist with a hungry pitch fork and everything looks like hay to you.

The hard truth is that it's going to be too difficult to distinguish people using macros on their razer naga mice to stay active in the game. I could set u p a looping button right now to just spam my AoE in a corner of my house and never get logged out. (No, I don't do that, I would never do that - but that's what people are doing.)

I think it'd be too hard to detect.

Possibly booting people from housing every hour would be the only solution. (Not booting to character select or disconnecting them, just booting them outside of the house somehow.)

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Originally Posted by Triggers

AFK botting sucks or whatever but honestly it's bootlicker mentality blaming this problem on the other players. They're selfish, sure, but they're also just people trying to play the game they paid for. What you're doing is tantamount to blaming shoplifters for high prices, except the shoplifters didn't steal anything. Idk how they'd go about detecting this stuff since the people I've heard of are just using gaming keyboards with macro capabilities.

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Ah yes, the issue of PLAYERS using bots and macros to take up server space when they aren't actually present to play is somehow NOT the players fault.

If everyone simply logged out when they were done or at work, the queues wouldn't be anywhere near as bad.

Players forcing themselves to take up server space when they have absolutely no reason to do so is half the problem.
The devs can't control player behaviour.

considering they do zero about long reported harvest/crafting and market bots and go after "low hanging fruit" like those advertising in major cities, I doubt they will go after afk'ers

FFxiv is a bot paradise with little to no repercussions, companies producing the bots know this. the users of the bots know this. there is a 63 page thread on the botting issue in Markets and Retainers... so.. I applaud you for trying, but I dont see any indication that SE really plans to put any real effort into combating cheating in any form

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Originally Posted by Triggers

AFK botting sucks or whatever but honestly it's bootlicker mentality blaming this problem on the other players. They're selfish, sure, but they're also just people trying to play the game they paid for. What you're doing is tantamount to blaming shoplifters for high prices, except the shoplifters didn't steal anything. Idk how they'd go about detecting this stuff since the people I've heard of are just using gaming keyboards with macro capabilities.

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excuse me? they arent there. they are AFK

they arent playing the game any more than the harvest bots, crafting bots or market bots are. its cheating, plain and simple. what they ARE doing is denying people who actually do want to get in and play, from doing that as soon as they could by being selfish and taking up a spot so they can avoid the queue while they are at work or having a nap or whatever. how can you defend such a selfish behaviour

and again.. what? if they didnt steal anything, why would you call them shoplifters?? the definition of shoplifting is literally STEALING SOMETHING

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Ah yes, the issue of PLAYERS using bots and macros to take up server space when they aren't actually present to play is somehow NOT the players fault.

If everyone simply logged out when they were done or at work, the queues wouldn't be anywhere near as bad.

Players forcing themselves to take up server space when they have absolutely no reason to do so is half the problem.
The devs can't control player behaviour.

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Ôh this is why we had such high queue numbers on launch, everyone was still afk from before maint finished and not because of the giant amount of people who wanted to play during the usual prime time hours. Yup, makes totally sense.

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Originally Posted by Izar_Chillen

And they are a moderator of said subbreddit too


@ OP we get your frustration , but your incessant reposting has changed you from an understandably disgruntled customer to a fanatical activist with a hungry pitch fork and everything looks like hay to you.

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You are entitled to your opinion. At the end of the day it's excruciatingly difficult for an NA customer to actually get a message to JP devs without a huge online presence.

I don't see anything wrong with me choosing to spend my free time doing this instead of playing the game. Especially considering the congestion issues right now.

Regardless, as said in the OP, this is my final thread regarding the matter.

So, asking for more server.. no because Chips shortage, going After Yoshi... No because he cried poor Little thing.. asking for server resets.. no because afkers Will cry..

Guess they Just want my Money then...

It's like I'm playing some kind of underground lottery!