Can't to fates while leveling - due to other players

I'm not super far into endwalker yet (lvl 82). I've been trying to get the 6 gold ratings from fates for faster mount speed. However, its nearly impossible to do this. Every fate that spawns has a legion of players fly in within 30 seconds and finish it in another 45 seconds. Basically, unless a fate spawns very close to me and I immediately notice, I won't be able to participate.

Are other people having these problems?

You could fly there too though? You aren't slower in the air. Unlocking flight is unrelated to ranking up your Shared FATE for the area.
Also you can join a party, people host Shared FATE farm parties in party finder all the time. It's a bit easier when you're with a group.

Since you're only 82 and can't unlock flying the most efficient thing for you to do would just be to continue doing the MSQ even at the slower mount speed. The speed you'd get from the riding map won't make up for the time you're trying to run after fates that pop. In other words, ignore fates until you're at or near 90.

I just stuck to the MSQ the entire way to 90, was 90 way before the end. I gathered the Aether in each zone as I leveled, doing the quests that held the others. I figured that's what most do while leveling, since makes your other jobs easier and faster to level as well.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Unlocking flight is unrelated to ranking up your Shared FATE for the area.

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True, but unlocking flight in an area is tied to aether currents, and the final aether current in a zone is usually gated by MSQ. The first zone you can unlock flight in is the third, because the first and second zones are split in half and you come back to them later. And even in the third zone you can't unlock flight there until you've been through the second dungeon of the expansion (at level 83), since if I recall correctly it's the MSQ mission taking you into that dungeon which gives you your final aether current for that zone.

If OP is only level 82, they really can't have unlocked flight anywhere yet in this expansion.

Once you have all of the quest aether currents you can ask a friend to bring you to the currents or go there yourself. Mount speed has nothing to do with how fast you move in-air, it's only on land. If you want to join a fate train, you should ask for an invite to the linkshell where the train is announced on where they will go next.

Definitely go to PF and get with a group. It's incredibly easy and efficient experience. If you can't beat em, join em!

I suggest getting your currents for flying first. Each current you pick up allows you mount ground speed to get a bit faster each time too.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

You could fly there too though?

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At level 82?


To op the only thing you could do is ask someone in the map to help you get to the fates you need for speed mounts.

I just leveled normally through msq and did fates as they were close to my location. Was 83 and had labarythos mount speed and went back to the first area and got that. Don't have the garlean area speed though.

Finish msq then do fates.

Msq will get you to 90 and then you can fly around on alts. First week was your best chance to catch in ground mode, but your almost 2 weeks in now

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Originally Posted by deadman1204

I'm not super far into endwalker yet (lvl 82). I've been trying to get the 6 gold ratings from fates for faster mount speed. However, its nearly impossible to do this. Every fate that spawns has a legion of players fly in within 30 seconds and finish it in another 45 seconds. Basically, unless a fate spawns very close to me and I immediately notice, I won't be able to participate.

Are other people having these problems?

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If a FATE complete too fast, it means it has not been scaled up yet. When a FATE is completed by a large number of people, the next FATE spawn will be scaled accordingly, making monsters tougher/require more kills.


If you see a zerg ball of FATE farmers in a kill-a-number of monsters, try to tag as many monsters as possible with your AoE (don't need to kill them). If it is an item gathering, ignore monsters and just pick up stuffs, or tag some newly-spawn ones and throw them into the zerg ball. If it is a boss FATE, you can still have a chance for Gold rating as long as they are 50% of HP. Playing a tank with threat stance on will make it easier to get Gold Rating during FATE boss, but not a must-have.

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Originally Posted by Momo_Kozuki

If a FATE complete too fast, it means it has not been scaled up yet. When a FATE is completed by a large number of people, the next FATE spawn will be scaled accordingly, making monsters tougher/require more kills.

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Yeah but the scaling does not properly account for AoEs. For kill enemies fates at least it makes more enemies spawn at once. If three players can kill three enemies in half a minute, six players can kill six enemies in 15 seconds because each player can hit all enemies with their AoEs. Collect items and defend targets fates might suffer from the same problem, but I'm not 100% sure. Boss fate is the type where the scaling works best, and escort fates are largely unaffected since the rate of progress is dictated mostly by the movement speed of the escorted NPC.

Nevertheless, I have managed to get my six golds on each of the first three areas without flying. It took some patience, strategizing about fate spawns and a bit of luck. Labyrinthos was the most annoying because even the first area is divided in two levels, making distances deceptively long. If there's more than one fate up and you can work out which the train is at, go for the other one. That gives you a headstart for getting there in time. You could also try to camp a region with several possible fates nearby, so you're close to them when they pop. This option can be boring though. Or you could just go about other business like side quests or gathering and seize the opportunity if a fate pops near you. Don't forget to use aetherytes; the cost of teleporting within a zone is rather negligible.

To the OP: Check and see if there is a FATE party in the zone. There's a non zero chance that if you join the party, someone in the group will have a 2 seater mount for you to grab a ride with and fly to the fates with the rest of the group.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

To the OP: Check and see if there is a FATE party in the zone. There's a non zero chance that if you join the party, someone in the group will have a 2 seater mount for you to grab a ride with and fly to the fates with the rest of the group.

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May help gather some currents as well. Hit aether compass like crack.

It has no cd now!

Blink away!

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Originally Posted by Canadane

You could fly there too though? You aren't slower in the air. Unlocking flight is unrelated to ranking up your Shared FATE for the area.
Also you can join a party, people host Shared FATE farm parties in party finder all the time. It's a bit easier when you're with a group.

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You can't unlock flight for two of the zones until much later in the story.

I really never pay attention to travel speeds until I'm done with the MSQ and have flying unlocked on every zone, then I just go back and get my rank 3s. It negates the purpose of faster land speed, but it's the only avenue I found viable, specially considering how long it takes to traverse the terrain on some of these new zones.

You could always ask if anyone doing the Fates would be willing to group up and escort you around in their car. Several players are likely to have one and it would not surprise me if there are at least a few people willing to help out.

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Originally Posted by deadman1204

I'm not super far into endwalker yet (lvl 82). I've been trying to get the 6 gold ratings from fates for faster mount speed. However, its nearly impossible to do this. Every fate that spawns has a legion of players fly in within 30 seconds and finish it in another 45 seconds.

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Why would you do fate when you don't have fly yet? The game is clearly designed for Fate to be used after you finish the story and start lvling your alt class.

- Some zones (like Labythros) is clearly not designed to quickly moved around on foot, also even if the zones are continuous, they are all massive.
- Fate give pitiful amount of EXP without the amoury bonus, which you won't have on your first class.
- The MSQ give enough EXP to get your job to 80 without ever doing a single FATE.

All of this combine means if you're trying to do FATE on your first class ... you are playing it ... the way it's not meant to be. I avoided saying you're playing it's wrong since it your game, play however you like. But do note the fact you would be playing against the design, so inconvenience should not come as a surprise.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

Why would you do fate when you don't have fly yet? The game is clearly designed for Fate to be used after you finish the story and start lvling your alt class.

- Some zones (like Labythros) is clearly not designed to quickly moved around on foot, also even if the zones are continuous, they are all massive.
- Fate give pitiful amount of EXP without the amoury bonus, which you won't have on your first class.
- The MSQ give enough EXP to get your job to 80 without ever doing a single FATE.

All of this combine means if you're trying to do FATE on your first class ... you are playing it ... the way it's not meant to be. I avoided saying you're playing it's wrong since it your game, play however you like. But do note the fact you would be playing against the design, so inconvenience should not come as a surprise.

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The MSQ by itself is not enough to level you to 90 unless maybe you have a lot of rested XP. There were a few levels where I had to finish leveling up with side quests so I could continue the MSQ. Yoshi-P mentioned that in one of his messages on the Lodestone.

I did MSQ all the way to 90 and only do aether currents when its close. You will need a few DR because I don't have enough XP for Lv87 and Lv88 to continue MSQ. Did not bother doing Fates unless it is close as well.

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Originally Posted by deadman1204

I'm not super far into endwalker yet (lvl 82). I've been trying to get the 6 gold ratings from fates for faster mount speed. However, its nearly impossible to do this. Every fate that spawns has a legion of players fly in within 30 seconds and finish it in another 45 seconds. Basically, unless a fate spawns very close to me and I immediately notice, I won't be able to participate.

Are other people having these problems?

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Grinding FATEs for rewards has been a bad idea since SHB, since as we can see, it's leading to the opposite of what the devs intended. They wanted to make it so that someone like you might have a chance to clear FATEs that would otherwise be ignored. So they put toys on them and now everyone rushes to clear them and you get left out because you physically cannot make it there in time. Just bad design.

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Originally Posted by Arazehl

Each current you pick up allows you mount ground speed to get a bit faster each time too.

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This is absolutely false.

Just buy the pay to win fenrir bike lol. No, but you can shout in the zone asking for a fate party. People will probably invite you. Honestly though, just do the MSQ because like 2 zones you cant even fly in until later on in the MSQ.

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Originally Posted by KitKatnip

The MSQ by itself is not enough to level you to 90 unless maybe you have a lot of rested XP. There were a few levels where I had to finish leveling up with side quests so I could continue the MSQ. Yoshi-P mentioned that in one of his messages on the Lodestone.

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I don't think rest EXP matter that much since there is very little combat content. And since you only run each dungeon once it's hardly matter.

When I did my main the first time, I hit like level 90 druing lvl88 story contents. Granted I did do a couple PVP daily, but I didn't touch the class quest line at all (which I think worth about half a level by itself).

With that knowledge in hand I'm playing through my alt with no addition EXP injection from DF. I use the daily roulettes to level a 2nd class in parallel instead and I'm still ahead of the content. Right I'm almost lvl88, and about to hit the lvl87 dungeon. And again this is purely from MSQ exp, the only side quests I'm doing is for fly map and the class quests.

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Originally Posted by deadman1204

I'm not super far into endwalker yet (lvl 82). I've been trying to get the 6 gold ratings from fates for faster mount speed. However, its nearly impossible to do this. Every fate that spawns has a legion of players fly in within 30 seconds and finish it in another 45 seconds. Basically, unless a fate spawns very close to me and I immediately notice, I won't be able to participate.

Are other people having these problems?

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You could ask to join a party and have someone fly you around with a 2-seat mount.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

Why would you do fate when you don't have fly yet? The game is clearly designed for Fate to be used after you finish the story and start lvling your alt class.

- Some zones (like Labythros) is clearly not designed to quickly moved around on foot, also even if the zones are continuous, they are all massive.
- Fate give pitiful amount of EXP without the amoury bonus, which you won't have on your first class.
- The MSQ give enough EXP to get your job to 80 without ever doing a single FATE.

All of this combine means if you're trying to do FATE on your first class ... you are playing it ... the way it's not meant to be. I avoided saying you're playing it's wrong since it your game, play however you like. But do note the fact you would be playing against the design, so inconvenience should not come as a surprise.

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This is absolutely false.
You can buy a riding map after getting to rank 2 on fates. The only time you need this map to increase your ground mount speed is when you can't fly. So it is clearly intended for first MSQ runners.

Unlocking faster mount speed is not worth it, since it doesn't apply to flying mounts.

I'd recommend just enjoying the MSQ, unlocking flight and doing Fates after 90 if you want to level alts.

Ah, FATE mount speed then*. Unnecessary for leveling, you don't really need to worry about it. Do FATEs if you can, like if you happen to be in the area. Otherwise, it doesn't really matter. On my first go through, I didn't get 6 FATEs done in the last zone, and it wasn't an issue. You can do it later. I was able to get 6 FATEs completed on all the other zones, but I also play in the middle of the night. A less crowded instance would make it easier to make it to a FATE in time.

Feels like people are overlooking why the OP wants to be able to do the FATEs at 82 and are failing to provide information that might be useful to him.

The riding maps only affect ground speed. They do not affect flying speed. That means the maps are only useful for the relatively few hours you spend in a zone before you complete the zone MSQ and get flying unlocked. If you take into account the time spent farming FATEs so you can buy the map versus the small amount of time the speed increase will save you (since most of your time is spent watching cutscenes/reading dialog), you haven't gained anything.

If you still feel like you'd prefer to have the maps for the short term speed benefit, try asking in shout for an invite to a FATE farming party that has someone who would fly you around. A lot of players put off unlocking flying even while doing MSQ so there's usually someone who has that's nice enough to help.

I have no idea why 3 pages of responses are talking about movement speed. Just move to a less crowded instance.

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Originally Posted by PharisHanasaki

This is absolutely false.

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What is false about it, and also what constitutes the quantify "absolutely"? Are you just putting it there for effect?

The first area of Labythos is cut into 2 clean half by a cliff that you can't jump or climb over, with the only access point is a tunnel on one end of the map. That means if you do a fate in one area and another pop in the other half, you have no choice but to travel either the full width of the map, or even twice the width of the map depending on where the next FATE spawn. Samething with the Thavinar, samething with the 4th map (vague to avoid spoiler), same thing with the 5th map. Especially the 4th map, with the way the map designed you ain't getting to half of the fate in time unless you stick to one single area.

If you are telling me the dev intend for people to cover the whole map doing fate without fly, then they are either bad designer or pure sadists.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

What is false about it, and also what constitutes the quantify "absolutely"? Are you just putting it there for effect?

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The fact that you're telling they aren't playing the game as it was intended for trying to buy the mount speed early. That is exactly what you should do. Rank 2 inly requires you to complete 6 fates too.

You can't traverse the entire Labyrinthos on level 82, that much is true. But that's not intended either.

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Originally Posted by PharisHanasaki

The fact that you're telling they aren't playing the game as it was intended for trying to buy the mount speed early. That is exactly what you should do. Rank 2 inly requires you to complete 6 fates too.

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And where do I said you shouldn't buy mount speed early. You kinda answer you own inquiry there, you only need "6 fates" for it, which is an amount you probably can get just buy doing FATE of opportunity that you came across "as you are doign the MSQ". From the OP's post it seems he wants to do it as a lvling tool, which is like I said doubtful the intention of the dev.

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You can't traverse the entire Labyrinthos on level 82, that much is true. But that's not intended either.

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No, I'm even not talking about the bottom part of Lybrinthos. The ealier area that you can fully access at lvl 82 is also cut into half by itself, with no easy access to the first and second half. In fact, pretty much all the maps in EndWalker are like this except the 3rd map where you can reasonably traverse the whole map in equal distance. In all other maps, you ain't gonna "farm" FATE before getting your fly. Doing the one you chance across? Yes. Actively going after FATE? No, at least not easily as the OP found out.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

And where do I said you shouldn't buy mount speed early. You kinda answer you own inquiry there, you only need "6 fates" for it, which is an amount you probably can get just buy doing FATE of opportunity that you came across "as you are doign the MSQ". From the OP's post it seems he wants to do it as a lvling tool, which is like I said doubtful the intention of the dev.

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Quoting OP post:
"I'm not super far into endwalker yet (lvl 82). I've been trying to get the 6 gold ratings from fates for faster mount speed"

I had no problem getting 6 fates in Thavnair ... and this was while the zone was absolutely overflowing with people waiting around for the rare achievement/super boss fate. i just had to go in and spam AoE attacks and always got gold. Did i miss some fate spawns that i could not reach in time? Yes, but waiting around close to where I know they could spawn and I could get them easily.

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

If OP is only level 82, they really can't have unlocked flight anywhere yet in this expansion.

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It appears I've been doing too much fate grinding myself as I had overlooked this detail.
Would still suggest doing it in a group setting though!