Is Leveling Roulette (and other Roulettes) giving subpar EXP as opposed to before?

Lvl 80 value: 2.2 Million out of 6 million for level. That's 36.66% of a level. A level appropriate dungeon would give you approx 33% of your next level.

So you're doing possibly outdated, synced content for maybe 3% extra exp? Also, Leveling Roulette, before Endwalker, would give more than that. Almost 50% of a level.

MSQ? Approximately 50% of a level for Prae as opposed to ~75% of a level. Castrum gave 1.8 million at lvl 80. That's less than leveling roulette.

Normal Raid Roulette gave a measly 225K at lvl 80. THAT IS LESS THAN A FATE.

Something is off with every single roulette experience value.

I'd ask you if you have proof. Im not doing MSQ just to check exp and i don't remember how much i got. I just know i did it for poetics. The only thing i do know is that just doing the endwalker msq as a fresh 80 is enough to hit 90. The exp might be off balance for everything else

Once you get into the last 10 levels for a job, the percentage of XP earned toward your next level from a roulette has always dropped dramatically. It would be about 25-30% for Castrum and 40-50% for Praetorium. Sounds like that didn't change. Leveling roulette I can't say because I wouldn't use it as often so never paid attention, and the other roulettes I wouldn't use for leveling unless I was keeping a friend company.

The armory bonus (for leveling a job lower than your highest level job) also takes a dive from 100% to 50% when you hit 80. It would make sense for roulettes to have the same decrease.

While it does feel like less, level 80 I noticed is just especially cursed. The values get slightly better when you're 81+ for whatever reason. I booked and leveled all jobs from 70-80 for ShB in like 4 weeks off of dailies alone so it's definitely noticeably slower given I'm only like 4 jobs at 90 atm.

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Originally Posted by Bjorn-Kobito

While it does feel like less, level 80 I noticed is just especially cursed. The values get slightly better when you're 81+ for whatever reason. I booked and leveled all jobs from 70-80 for ShB in like 4 weeks off of dailies alone so it's definitely noticeably slower given I'm only like 4 jobs at 90 atm.

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x0-x1 is always cursed when you don't have MSQ to push you through (on combat jobs.) You're excited to get to the next expansion content, but the only stuff available is comparatively slow old-expansion content.

Overcoming boredom for expansion entry level to +1... Praetorium(if the roulette tosses you into) always worked for me.

I did a leveling roulette last night at 82 and had the same experience. Fates is the fastest way to grind levels rn imo, especially with the large groups of people that are currently doing them. No queue times and fast returns. As long as the surged population holds and dungeon queues are congested it's probably your best option if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Lvl 80 value: 2.2 Million out of 6 million for level. That's 36.66% of a level. A level appropriate dungeon would give you approx 33% of your next level.

So you're doing possibly outdated, synced content for maybe 3% extra exp? Also, Leveling Roulette, before Endwalker, would give more than that. Almost 50% of a level.

MSQ? Approximately 50% of a level for Prae as opposed to ~75% of a level. Castrum gave 1.8 million at lvl 80. That's less than leveling roulette.

Normal Raid Roulette gave a measly 225K at lvl 80. THAT IS LESS THAN A FATE.

Something is off with every single roulette experience value.

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It's a supplement!

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Lvl 80 value: 2.2 Million out of 6 million for level. That's 36.66% of a level. A level appropriate dungeon would give you approx 33% of your next level.

So you're doing possibly outdated, synced content for maybe 3% extra exp? Also, Leveling Roulette, before Endwalker, would give more than that. Almost 50% of a level.

MSQ? Approximately 50% of a level for Prae as opposed to ~75% of a level. Castrum gave 1.8 million at lvl 80. That's less than leveling roulette.

Normal Raid Roulette gave a measly 225K at lvl 80. THAT IS LESS THAN A FATE.

Something is off with every single roulette experience value.

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The bonus for a Frontline Roulette is generally more significant than a leveling roulette, and it feels like a bargain in time spent.

Getting a level relevant dungeon for leveling roulette and barely getting 40% of a level definitely feels like a slap in the face.

That's what I got when I ended up in the lvl81 dungeon at lvl81 a few days ago.

Also, I'm quitting every single time I get Castrum. I don't care about the penalty, Castrum is just not worth it compared to Praet.

Frontline roulette definitely is juicy though.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Lvl 80 value: 2.2 Million out of 6 million for level. That's 36.66% of a level. A level appropriate dungeon would give you approx 33% of your next level.

So you're doing possibly outdated, synced content for maybe 3% extra exp? Also, Leveling Roulette, before Endwalker, would give more than that. Almost 50% of a level.

MSQ? Approximately 50% of a level for Prae as opposed to ~75% of a level. Castrum gave 1.8 million at lvl 80. That's less than leveling roulette.

Normal Raid Roulette gave a measly 225K at lvl 80. THAT IS LESS THAN A FATE.

Something is off with every single roulette experience value.

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This does seem to be the case.

It's purely conjecture, but it feels like I've been getting less XP as well. Strange.

Keep in mind that your classes get more xp once you hit 90 with the first one.

Would just like to add in my data.

I'm level 84 on my Black Mage. I already have level 90 with my Warrior.

Did leveling roulette today, got Malikah's Well. For reference, at level 84 you need 7,948,000 EXP to level.

The bosses gave 326,980, 572,224, and 735,708 EXP respectively. This is a total of 1,634,912 EXP.

The actual Leveling Roulette gave me 1,475,100 EXP at the end.

So the total EXP I got for doing Leveling Roulette was 3,110,012, which is 39% of the EXP I need.

In contrast, running the level 83 dungeon gave me 573,436, 1,003,529, and 1,269,845 on each boss, for a total of 2,846,810 EXP. That is 35% of the EXP I need.

So as you can see, levelling roulette does slightly better than a regular dungeon appropriate for your level. Personally, I'd rather do the dungeons. I'd rather not risk getting Sastasha or some other boring low-level instance.

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Originally Posted by Lisertan

Keep in mind that your classes get more xp once you hit 90 with the first one.

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This is a common misconception for some reason.

There is not a switch that flips on once you cap one job. The armoury bonus always works for any job that is not your highest. It is always +100% until the job you’re leveling dings last expansion’s cap, and then +50% the rest of the way to the current expansion’s cap. It is only inactive when you are leveling the job that is the highest level or tied for highest level.

Frontline roulette, FATEs & Zadnor seem like the only worthwhile means of levelling alt jobs at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Nyarlha

Getting a level relevant dungeon for leveling roulette and barely getting 40% of a level definitely feels like a slap in the face.

That's what I got when I ended up in the lvl81 dungeon at lvl81 a few days ago.

Also, I'm quitting every single time I get Castrum. I don't care about the penalty, Castrum is just not worth it compared to Praet.

Frontline roulette definitely is juicy though.

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how much of a diff would you say?

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Originally Posted by bulbs

how much of a diff would you say?

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Between Praet and Castrum? I don't remember the numbers exactly, but enough to be noticeable, i'd say around 10/15% of a level?

Add to that the fact that despite being shorter, Castrum actually requires more engagement from the player than Praet, honestly I think both should give the same xp.

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Originally Posted by Nyarlha

Between Praet and Castrum? I don't remember the numbers exactly, but enough to be noticeable, i'd say around 10/15% of a level?

Add to that the fact that despite being shorter, Castrum actually requires more engagement from the player than Praet, honestly I think both should give the same xp.

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X to doubt. Plus the exp for the planned time in dungeon, not activity. Praet is so much more cutscenes than castrum

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

X to doubt. Plus the exp for the planned time in dungeon, not activity. Praet is so much more cutscenes than castrum

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I leave whenever I get Castrum. The EXP it gives is awful and I can't browse the Internet or watch YouTube or TV while doing it. It definitely needs a buff. Maybe not as much XP as Prae since it is shorter, but the fact that you have to pay attention and move around a lot more (Prae literally has you in front of the bosses for everything past the Magitek Armor) makes it muss less desirable for me and many others.

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Originally Posted by MintnHoney

The bonus for a Frontline Roulette is generally more significant than a leveling roulette, and it feels like a bargain in time spent.

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Oh it is. At worst you have to be in there the whole 20 minutes, but they usually finish in 10-12 min for half an EXP bar. It's always worth it to do.

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Originally Posted by Bjorn-Kobito

I leave whenever I get Castrum. The EXP it gives is awful and I can't browse the Internet or watch YouTube or TV while doing it. It definitely needs a buff. Maybe not as much XP as Prae since it is shorter, but the fact that you have to pay attention and move around a lot more (Prae literally has you in front of the bosses for everything past the Magitek Armor) makes it muss less desirable for me and many others.

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Exactly. I don't really care about xp per time spent actually in there. I only care about the amount of xp I can get via the roulette any given day, and Castrum is lacking. Over the course of a week it's actually a lot of xp lost compared to Praet.

If you get Castrum its a bust. You might as well eat the penalty due to the difference compared to Prae.
Normal Raid Roulette is also a waste of time as it gives less xp than a fate even with being the adventurer in need.
Guildheist roulette is also a waste unless you are going for the challenge log but even then you could get more xp by fate grinding in that time.
Leveling roulette is only good if the dungeon is close to your level and you are the adventurer in need. Otherwise again fate grinding may be a better option.
50/60/70/80 roulette is a joke.
Alliance raid roulette is 20-25% of a level depending on which one you get but if you get any crystal tower raids then it is a good source of time.
Trial Roulette- Again depends on the trial. If you get any of the new trials due to their length the xp is not worth it.

Frontline- Perhaps the best source of xp for time out of all the roulettes.

I have been doing alliance raid roulette and MSQ roulette for guaranteed one level a day.

Only reason to even do roulettes now is for farming tomes at 90. Its a waste to use them for exp especially 70-90. Bozja hands down is faster than anything else and the most current level dungeon is nearly the same amount of exp as doing roulette, so if I'm gonna suffer through tam-tara I'm gonna get tomes out of it because its not worth it for the exp because the bonus exp is barely anything.

Yeah I feel like I am getting FAR less EXP from doing just about anything. MSQ and Leveling aren't giving nearly the same % as before.

It does feel a whole lot slower, across different characters and jobs. I used to be able to get at least one level or so a day with the roulette options and PVP, now it's not even enough for that.

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Originally Posted by Maulclaw

It does feel a whole lot slower, across different characters and jobs. I used to be able to get at least one level or so a day with the roulette options and PVP, now it's not even enough for that.

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Let's not exagerate either. Frontline/Alliance/Leveling alone should give you a bit more than a level together. If you add MSQ roulette on top you should be close to 1.5 lvl from roulettes a day (if you get shitty castrum, more if you get Praet).

So for reference, i just did a MSQ Castrum roulette at lvl82.

It gave 35% of a level. The same amount as a leveling roulette, which is complete and utter garbage.

I'll continue fishing for Praet.

Somewhat related to the topic but when did they get rid of dungeon mobs giving exp?

Castrum is most certainly not worth it any more for all the locked in cutscenes, braindead cid, and annoying black screening in the middle of pulls.
Complete waste of time when the XP reward isn't there.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Only reason to even do roulettes now is for farming tomes at 90. Its a waste to use them for exp especially 70-90. Bozja hands down is faster than anything else and the most current level dungeon is nearly the same amount of exp as doing roulette, so if I'm gonna suffer through tam-tara I'm gonna get tomes out of it because its not worth it for the exp because the bonus exp is barely anything.

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Agreed. I'm currently farming tomes with roulettes, while leveling alt jobs with fates (for rank) and dungeons.
Will probably do Bozja after I'm done with fates.

I think I got about 2m exp at level 81 on Sage from lveling roulette, which was like 1/3 of the exp needed for 82.
I get the same running the 81 dun. Just do roulettes for tomes at 90, don't waste them leveling post 81.

personally im not gonna take a 30 minute penalty because i got a 20 minute duty instead of a 40 minute one
but will say EXP needs to be looked at for roulettes and dungeons
especially 50/60/70/80 that has always given terrible exp even before EW

Really? I Can't tell the difference, the leveling speed seems to be the same. It always feels slow if it's an expansion level cap heading to the next expansion level (ex: lv 50 -> 51, lv 60 -> 61, lv 70 -> 71, lv 80 -> 81). No MSQ to help push through those levels generally make leveling slow since you only have older content to do, and older content doesn't necessarily give more exp at expansion cap than leveling dungeons tailored to that level.

Also, check the number of bonuses stacking. Are you leveling your highest character? Don't forget, no armoury EXP bonus, and the final lv 80 to 90 levels themselves usually become more difficult due to being the last level cap available. Mobs no longer grant EXP, only dungeon bosses, so popping food right before a dungeon boss will ensure you get the most EXP for it. Also check if your FC is giving EXP combat buffs too. Those couple of things impact leveling speed heavily.

Though ngl, lv 50/60/70/80 EXP feels terrible.

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Originally Posted by Nyarlha

So for reference, i just did a MSQ Castrum roulette at lvl82.

It gave 35% of a level. The same amount as a leveling roulette, which is complete and utter garbage.

I'll continue fishing for Praet.

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So today I got Praet at lvl 83. The run gave me about 67% of a level, almost double what a Castrum run gives.

Yup, I'll continue eating the penalty if I get Castrum.

Roulettes as a whole seem to give noticeably less EXP than simply spamming Bozja. Especially for DPS queues. They really need to look at the balance here because at this rate, less and less people are going to bother with them.

there are a LOT of people who dont want to do bozja. doesnt matter if its more effectiv than roulette. lazy people rather sign up for roulettes than do something outside their comfortzone

there willbe enough people in roulette, even if it actually got worse