Zero Damage - Working as intended?

Haven't seen this asked anywhere in the forum.
Since it hasn't been talked about I can only assume it's working as intended

Just wondering, when a sheep does his sleep bubble, or a Toad is upside down or the toadstools do their little thing they cannot be killed
Their Health will stop at 1hp and you can longer damage them until they are done doing whatever it is they are doing

If I don't get to be unkillable (my new word) doing special abilities... why should they?

Do you guys like that?

When your Weapon is totally broken ( in red) you will hit for basically nothing till you get it fixed.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

When your Weapon is totally broken ( in red) you will hit for basically nothing till you get it fixed.

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I'm not sure you read what I posted, but thanks for chiming in.

I hate that. Very annoying.

For one thing they're monsters, they nor players should be held by the same rules since it leads to interesting encounters in the long run. So it's perfectly intended just like a toad can pull you in with his tongue over and over as you try to run away from aggro.

I think one of the biggest factors is server lag since the servers currently doesn't always pick up on certain things like this properly which they said they have the ability to fix but it will create more server stress to do so. So as far as I can see it is indeed working as intended, just sometimes the server won't always keep up with the data to/fro and it may seem like an issue at times.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

For one thing they're monsters, they nor players should be held by the same rules since it leads to interesting encounters in the long run. So it's perfectly intended just like a toad can pull you in with his tongue over and over as you try to run away from aggro.

I think one of the biggest factors is server lag since the servers currently doesn't always pick up on certain things like this properly which they said they have the ability to fix but it will create more server stress to do so. So as far as I can see it is indeed working as intended, just sometimes the server won't always keep up with the data to/fro and it may seem like an issue at times.

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So it's ok that you can't kill an upside down toad or a sleeping sheep?

At the very least, they should take 1 HP damage when their effect ends, so that if you did take them to 1 HP and by all rights should have killed them, you can safely ignore them as if they were dead.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

At the very least, they should take 1 HP damage when their effect ends, so that if you did take them to 1 HP and by all rights should have killed them, you can safely ignore them as if they were dead.

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Good idea. I like that

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Originally Posted by Rydin

So it's ok that you can't kill an upside down toad or a sleeping sheep?

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That's just their unique gimmick honestly, much like you do zero damage (or severely reduced damage) to a Catuare in FFXI when they have a shirling shield around them even though you can obviously connect your weapons to them despite the shield being present. Lullaby for example doesn't even last that long to be honest. Look at moles, even though you likely killed them before they burrow, they still didn't die simply because to the server, you didn't actually get the kill shit before they burrowed.

It's why I said the biggest factor is the latency problem which makes it more of a hassle than it truly is.

It's definitely annoying, but I think it's working as intended.

If I had to guess, I'd say they probably didn't want the monster's animation to suddenly jolt over to their dying state, since they seem to care so much about animation fidelity. Either that or their system simply can't handle the monster dying while they're in the middle of an attack.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

That's just their unique gimmick honestly, much like you do zero damage (or severely reduced damage) to a Catuare in FFXI when they have a shirling shield around them even though you can obviously connect your weapons to them despite the shield being present. Lullaby for example doesn't even last that long to be honest. Look at moles, even though you likely killed them before they burrow, they still didn't die simply because to the server, you didn't actually get the kill shit before they burrowed.

It's why I said the biggest factor is the latency problem which makes it more of a hassle than it truly is.

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that's true... I think after 2.0 and all of the server restructuring, many of these threads are going to be pointless

Dated Zero Damage thread +3

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Originally Posted by Raldo

It's definitely annoying, but I think it's working as intended.

If I had to guess, I'd say they probably didn't want the monster's animation to suddenly jolt over to their dying state, since they seem to care so much about animation fidelity.

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Thats probably the biggest reason for it

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Originally Posted by Rydin

I'm not sure you read what I posted, but thanks for chiming in.

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Misunderstanding, Sorry :P

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Misunderstanding, Sorry :P

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no worries

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Originally Posted by Elexia

That's just their unique gimmick honestly, much like you do zero damage (or severely reduced damage) to a Catuare in FFXI when they have a shirling shield around them even though you can obviously connect your weapons to them despite the shield being present. Lullaby for example doesn't even last that long to be honest. Look at moles, even though you likely killed them before they burrow, they still didn't die simply because to the server, you didn't actually get the kill shit before they burrowed.

It's why I said the biggest factor is the latency problem which makes it more of a hassle than it truly is.

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It's not a gimmick of the monster, it isn't a state they enter to reduce damage. Nor is it latency (for once). They only stop taking damage when they are at 1hp, otherwise they take full damage. It's either a bug or a bandaid for one, either is bad.

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Originally Posted by Raldo

It's definitely annoying, but I think it's working as intended.

If I had to guess, I'd say they probably didn't want the monster's animation to suddenly jolt over to their dying state, since they seem to care so much about animation fidelity. Either that or their system simply can't handle the monster dying while they're in the middle of an attack.

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I think it's partly this, and partly wanting to give the mobs a "last ditch attack". In the case of funguars, when they inflate for their Queasy Cloud attack, it's a counter-attack that only goes off if they're attacked, and they seem to automatically inflate if they go below a certain %. That's partly why I made my suggestion of having them take one damage when it goes off, so they can essentially be "Dead" from damage, but still get off their last ditch counterattack as intended.

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Originally Posted by Alderton

It's not a gimmick of the monster, it isn't a state they enter to reduce damage. Nor is it latency (for once). They only stop taking damage when they are at 1hp, otherwise they take full damage. It's either a bug or a bandaid for one, either is bad.

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Yeah i have flipped an toad over when it was @ 50% and killed it but when i did it when it was near dead 0 dmg all the time.

Isnt a toad's belly a soft spot? Would make more sense for it to take more damage if you attack its belly.

Unless I'm mistaken gnats do this as well when they do their teleport move. They are unkillable while performing it.

Me and a LS member where doing a leve with toads the other day it flipped over and proceeded to run away sliding along on its back with its legs kicking in the air, needless to say I was crying with laughter. (I only wished I had captured it on video)

But yea the 0 damage thing is annoying.

Best i can figure its most likely due to death animation for those mobs require them to be in a nutral postition. the 1hp thing is probably a way to stop the toads doing there im a turtle thing to being back on there feat and dying.

I have yet to encounter this problem my self but i can see where it would be annoying

The other day i had one not die when it was not doing any ws or anything. It just would not die pretty annoying.

Now that I think about it, I think I've witnessed gnats and moles do this too.

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

Now that I think about it, I think I've witnessed gnats and moles do this too.

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Yes. The most annoying thing about that is that your last hit would have killed them... I had a few cases where it was either me or them, and it ended up being them because they cheated D:

Maybe it is tied to the dying animation, idk, but it's pretty stupid.

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

Yes. The most annoying thing about that is that your last hit would have killed them... I had a few cases where it was either me or them, and it ended up being them because they cheated D:

Maybe it is tied to the dying animation, idk, but it's pretty stupid.

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Crazy moles with their dragon punch or gnats with the shock to the face. They're happy lumpkins.

had this happen plenty of times but the one time it really bugged me was when an eftstool in the aurum vale bugged out like that, disappeared and then we didn't get a light to unlock the gate... was a fun 15minute run for nothing.

Fix in 2.0, etc.

Yeah, its sort of annoying, don't know if its that big of a deal. I would say its probably a limitation of the current programing similar to when you do an emote and the mob kills you, but you don't actually die till the emote is finished.

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Originally Posted by Toxsik

Yeah, its sort of annoying, don't know if its that big of a deal. I would say its probably a limitation of the current programing similar to when you do an emote and the mob kills you, but you don't actually die till the emote is finished.

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So animation lock .. why am I not surprised.

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Originally Posted by Alderton

It's either a bug or a bandaid for one, either is bad.

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Bingoooooooo!