In all honesty. As the title states. Buying from another market. Fine. But cross world trading needs to go and stay gone. There was a rising problem in market prices on my server some time after they introduced this. IT has only gotten worse since then and it's not fun. And what's more is, it promotes third party users/botters to just do it more than they already did and spread their "wares" to other servers where they drive the prices into the dirt because they simply don't care. They themselves aren't crafting or gathering the mats. Their bots are.
Example. Currently on my server there is a person i've been following and monitoring since ShB. He currently has TEN sets of crafter necklaces alone up on the board. What's more is he undercut the previous person by 9k just to sell his wares. He is not from my server. I have looked his toon up. He does have one made on here, but it is a level 1. And the necklaces aren't eh only market. He does this on every possible post he can. Now. Take the time to think about gathering the mats, time to craft, time to do other parts of the game. I can't get the mats fast enough on my own to do this. Let alone constantly sit around making and crafting while also gathering said mats.
To put it more into perspective. I did happen to find what server his main was on after searching the worlds on my DC. Upon going to check on him. He's ALWAYS online, locked away in a private room. No matter what time of day I happen to log in and go check (though admittedly it has been harder to do so since the congestion. but around 11pm EST to around 2pm i've seen this activity whenever I can get a slow congestion pop to move over and check). Now like I said. I've noticed this activity since ShB. It's not just a new occurrence. Cross World Trading is a nightmare for just this sort of botting action. And it's terrible to try and go against because you just can't unless you yourself bot. It needs to go. Or lock CWT behind needing to be max level for the current expansion. To force out these people who wouldn't otherwise put the time in to have to or not be able to do this sort of thing. It breaks down to third party usage imo at the end of the day, but at least CWT would help somewhat if it was adjusted. (And by saying Third Party usage is an issue, it can even be seen currently with people avoiding the AFK timer by using the third party Bard musical apps to hide away in homes and play music with it to avoid being kicked and skip queue'ing all together).
Cross World Trading Needs To GO
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12-14-2021, 06:31 PMLecruCross World Trading Needs To GO
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12-14-2021, 06:39 PMKageTokage
I've already seen my DC's entire stock of certain glam items get cleaned out by a single person then sold at a huge mark-up on multiple occasions.
There are tons of absurdly wealthy people (Often through less then legitmate methods) who are richer then they'll ever need to be and choose to flaunt their wealth by making the marketboard their plaything and it's rather aggravating.
Between them and the bot farmers (Which are frequently owned by them) the marketboard inevitably ends up degrading to a point where legitimate players have a really rough time making much money outside of selling really niche items that are outside of their notice. -
12-14-2021, 06:43 PMLecruThing is, I didn't see this person pop up at all on any item until around the time Cross World trading became enabled. It's not healthy (neither was the ease of Firmament to have peopel level but that's another argument entirely). But this one person alone I know bots and the ONLY thing that could be done was to take away CWT or to put some kind of limit on it. Frankly gil does NOT need to be allowed to be traded Cross World. That would be the BIGGEST thing that would hinder such actionsQuote:
Originally Posted by KageTokage
EDIT: I came back to say that restrictions need to be put in place on said items. Crafted on another world? World watermarks need to be imbedded into the items if they are going to continue to allow CWT. This would in turn not allow botters to run markets on every server. Would still allow friends to craft otherworld friends items. And if no gil trading is a thing then it would entirely cut out the process for botters/third party users to run every single market they can because they can -
12-14-2021, 07:33 PMShialan
Yeah, this behaviour is why I stopped meddling in the market board at the end of Shadowbringers. I had the same experience and it was no fun. They were only all the time and was ALWAYS undercutting you in seconds. And not even only on your world, but they had characters on every single world.
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12-14-2021, 08:26 PMSeraphor
Not gonna happen. If they could, the marketboard would be datacenter wide already, which is what they're aiming for.
Smaller markets are susceptible to manipulation and cornering. Larger markets trend to more realistic values according to supply and demand.
It sucks that you're being under cut, but that just means your wares aren't worth as much as you'd like. -
12-14-2021, 08:34 PMLegion88
Since when can you sell on marketboards other than your homeworld?
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12-14-2021, 08:37 PMLianaThorneI'm assuming the main gets the items to the alt somehow and the alt sells it out. Otherwise, I'm of the same mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legion88
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12-14-2021, 08:41 PMLegion88So nothing different then back when crafters had alts to get more retainers for selling but now on different worlds.Quote:
Originally Posted by LianaThorne
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12-14-2021, 08:50 PM_Pigzig
its a free market
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12-14-2021, 08:55 PMLecruWay to miss the point entirelyQuote:
Originally Posted by Seraphor
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12-14-2021, 09:02 PMFloortank
Cancel trading across data centers because someone posted too many necklaces.
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12-14-2021, 09:03 PMLianaThorneTo be fair, and not sure if youve considered this yet because some people genuinely no life this game (including myself), some people play this game solely for making money and the crafting/gathering side of it. I know of a lot of real players actually, who spend their day sitting by a Summoning Bell or locked away in their FC or house just...crafting. They also, as real people, take advantage of this system because it makes gil. A prime example off the top of my head is an old friend of mine from Aether who would server hop, clean out the boards of a specific item and then re-sell on his home server.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lecru
It's just, how some people choose to play. Having 10 Integral Necklaces (which takes all of 10 seconds to buy the mats off the MB and then 1-2m to craft each because of how actually brain dead crafting is now) up on the MB isn't a red flag to me as I could do something similar in under 20m. -
12-14-2021, 09:15 PMLecruThere lies the issue. It's not JUST Necklaces he has up. It's several other items, to which he is not even on my server ot begin with. Meaning he has numerous other items up on yes, my server and others. Yes I understand how brain dead crafting is now. However it still takes time and materials to craft. And time is not infinite. As I myself sit by the bell and craft away while trying to manage pricing. Though it comes down to what is the point when you're undercut 8-9k on items that took you time and effort vs others that are, in fact, botting.Quote:
Originally Posted by LianaThorne