This is getting ridiculous. (Endwalker MSQ and post MSQ spoilers)

So, it's been a thing for a very long time now where lots of dungeon gear gets reused in some way. Either dungeons reuse gear from other places or what have you. However, i had assumed with all the recent money making and player influx SE has had, we'd be seeing improvements on this, however it seems to have gotten beyond worse. The Tower of zot and Ktisis dungeons both reuse gear, but not only that, Ktisis reused gear and STILL didn't even make it dyable. Not only that either, but the 89 dungeon doesn't even give left side gear, only right side, which you could argue is because of the af gear but still, that's an entire gear set missing. I just finally did the two expert dungeons today and realized they also reused an entire music theme as the main theme for the place. Shouldn't we be seeing upgrades as each expansion goes on and not downgrades? The fact we're 4 expansions in and still don't have dyable dungeon gear is pretty appalling by itself but reusing it and not even making it dyable is beyond bad. Not to mention both the Sage and Reaper starter gear can't even be dyed, at least to my knowledge. Their level 70 and 80 af are the exact same and can't be dyed.

I was really taken aback by the amount of reused gear we got this time around.

Dungeon-wise it's the same as ShB as far as new sets go. Two new gear models, but we got one less dungeon with gear drops like you mentioned. But for crafted gear across DoW/DoM/DoH/DoL there is only one new set of gear and it's only for gatherers iirc. None of the gear is role swapped and it was all dyable before too so it's literally just them giving us the same thing.

They seem especially fond of giving us Shire gear too, as it's the third time we've gotten the Shire set.

I think you all are forgetting that part of the work they did on the expansion was during this pandemic, and I'm pretty sure that created a host of issues for them. I think we're pretty lucky to receive what we got -- Great story, great music, great dungeons, and trials...

edited to add: 2 fantastic new classes and the male viera/with female hrothgar coming in the next patch

"I think we're pretty lucky to receive what we got"

stop repeating this pls, they are reusing assets since hw, the covid excuse doesn't work here

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Originally Posted by DrFlesh

"I think we're pretty lucky to receive what we got"

stop repeating this pls, they are reusing assets since hw, the covid excuse doesn't work here

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If they've needed to reuse assets since HW what makes you think they would have the time and resources to do more work during the pandemic?

I too was disappointed. I don't mind recolors or reusing gear that was previously undyable. But when they release an old set without making it dyable, with the same color scheme, and its not rotated from another class? The Ktisis caster set atleast was identical(I didn't get the chest to verify that piece). The Zot set was already dyable and the dye channel removes the purple anyway defeating the purpose. The didn't even bother to make the hats work with Viera and Hrothgar... Then not one, but three accessory dungeons in a row? I get it, we got the AF gear at 89, but you are assuming everyone likes the AF gear looks, if you didn't this was just a gauntlet of disappointment.

The only dungeon I found remotely challenging was the Dead Ends and so this dungeon tier has been sad so far. The Thavnair and Garlamald sets can only carry them so far.

Why would they go out of their way to make unique gear for mid level dungeons? Gear that most people wont equip because they have better gear or will replace in 2 levels? Doubly so given that most people stick with whatever glamours they have.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Why would they go out of their way to make unique gear for mid level dungeons? Gear that most people wont equip because they have better gear or will replace in 2 levels? Doubly so given that most people stick with whatever glamours they have.

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Because its become the norm since ARR? The dungeon sets have become some of the best sets for glamour. Obviously heavily depending on taste. (or lack thereof)
Just because you only wear your glamour and never change doesn't mean everyone else does.

Honestly, between Dungeons being so easy (even in 520 gear) and being handed the AF gear as part of the MSQ, Dungeon (and quest) gear felt entirely pointless this time round... Yes, new glams are always nice, but I would rather they put their efforts into gear worth having.

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Originally Posted by Atamis

Because its become the norm since ARR? The dungeon sets have become some of the best sets for glamour. Obviously heavily depending on taste. (or lack thereof)
Just because you only wear your glamour and never change doesn't mean everyone else does.

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100% in agreement on this. My main reason for doing content in this game is glamours. If I can't get something cool to wear from it, I'm probably not doing it. So this expansion is falling very flat for me.

Let’s go over all the gear in EW and where it originated from:

80 Crafted- Ghimlyt Dark (SB)
81 Dungeon- Swallows Compass (SB)
82 Crafted- Shire tome gear (HW)
83 Dungeon- Original
84 Crafted- Skalla Gear (SB)
85 Dungeon- Original
86 Crafted- PVP gear (atrocious tbh)
87 Dungeon- Hero’s Gaunlet (SHB)
88 Crafted- Neo Ishgardian crafted (SHB)
89 Dungeon- N/A
90 Dungeon- N/A
90 Tomes- Original

Only 3 unique sets…and the recycled ones unlike SHB and SB didn’t even switch the roles just straight up (here it is again) what a massive let down tbh

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Originally Posted by RWBYrose

I think you all are forgetting that part of the work they did on the expansion was during this pandemic, and I'm pretty sure that created a host of issues for them. I think we're pretty lucky to receive what we got -- Great story, great music, great dungeons, and trials...

edited to add: 2 fantastic new classes and the male viera/with female hrothgar coming in the next patch

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This whole covid excuse would work if it was 1995, however it is not. This is just pure laziness.

Oh, so I'm not the only one who just looked at the new gears and saw this, low effort copy paste work all the way... And the new tombstone gears are all garbage as glamour, now I know why they didn't made an effort to make more space in the glamour dresser, because there is literally nothing you will want to put in it from EW, so far this is the biggest disapoinment Expansion as glamour go. Every tombstone set looks like a bad Dragon set... and almost the same as previous similar gear, I can't believe they can't make anything new and unique, at this point 80% of the things are garbage or copy-paste from previous things.

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Originally Posted by Hik3n

Oh, so I'm not the only one who just looked at the new gears and saw this, low effort copy paste work all the way... And the new tombstone gears are all garbage as glamour, now I know why they didn't made an effort to make more space in the glamour dresser, because there is literally nothing you will want to put in it from EW, so far this is the biggest disapoinment Expansion as glamour go. Every tombstone set looks like a bad Dragon set... and almost the same as previous similar gear, I can't believe they can't make anything new and unique, at this point 80% of the things are garbage or copy-paste from previous things.

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I think the 600 gear and the 605 weapons look awesome, so speak for yourself.

So let me get this right.... There are 6 new story dungeons and 2 expert. Plus new raid gear, new starter tome gear, new higher end tome gear, and new class gear.

Your complaint and comment on how terrible and crappy things are stems from 4 story dungeons not having new armor sets?

Two of the story dungeons have new armor sets, all but two of the story dungeons introduce new weapon graphics (some of the best the game has ever seen btw), the first expert dungeons add nothing but since when is this a surprise, every class gets new class specific armor and weapon, a new raid set, two new tome sets, and a new crafting armor and weapon sets were just added. Oh and new weapons in one ex trial.

So in 10 whole levels at like 1 month in 6.1 we get 10 new weapon sets, and 7 new armor sets. I am counting the class armors and weapons as 1 in both groups for sake of arguement. That isn't enough new unique gear for you? *goes off to find the worlds smallest violin*

How entitled do you guys think you are? They caught lightning in a bottle for the second time in a row and delivered on an incredible expansion all while developing tirelessly during the pandemic.

Go outside. Touch grass. Find actual problems that need solving instead of berating people for working their ass off to bring you something you enjoy.

While new gearsets would be nice, where am I supposed to put them? My glamour dresser is exploding already. =(

I don't mind re-used gear that much, but so much of it not being dyable is a bummer. Especially since some of the non-dungeon sets we've gotten were non-dyable versions of previously dyable sets!

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Originally Posted by Karkarov

So let me get this right.... There are 6 new story dungeons and 2 expert. Plus new raid gear, new starter tome gear, new higher end tome gear, and new class gear.

Your complaint and comment on how terrible and crappy things are stems from 4 story dungeons not having new armor sets?

Two of the story dungeons have new armor sets, all but two of the story dungeons introduce new weapon graphics (some of the best the game has ever seen btw), the first expert dungeons add nothing but since when is this a surprise, every class gets new class specific armor and weapon, a new raid set, two new tome sets, and a new crafting armor and weapon sets were just added. Oh and new weapons in one ex trial.

So in 10 whole levels at like 1 month in 6.1 we get 10 new weapon sets, and 7 new armor sets. I am counting the class armors and weapons as 1 in both groups for sake of arguement. That isn't enough new unique gear for you? *goes off to find the worlds smallest violin*

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All of that stuff you said is what we get every expansion. The tome gear isnt something new, we always get new tome gear every expansion. Actually, we got one less armor set this expansion compared to previous ones, since the level 89 dungeon didnt give any left side gear at all. Compare that to say, Mt gulg. We also always get 6 story dungeons, 2 expers, and ex weapons. Im not sure why youre acting like this is all a surprise or stuff theyve never implemented before. My point is, we're actually getting less stuff than in previous expansions. I mean the coat they give us for garlemald is literally a reused asset, when they couldnt even give us a unique tataru glam in shb either.

ShB only had 2 original armor sets during leveling dungeons. 71 was reused, 73 was new, 75 was new, 77 was reused, 79 was reused.

So EW actually has more original armor sets in lvling dungeons than ShB did.

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Originally Posted by Stepjam

ShB only had 2 original armor sets during leveling dungeons. 71 was reused, 73 was new, 75 was new, 77 was reused, 79 was reused.

So EW actually has more original armor sets in lvling dungeons than ShB did.

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The reused ones were dyable versions of undyable sets though. Not the case this time. They either reused sets that were dyable already, or kept them undyable.

They reuse assets from FFXI in every single expansion. Monsters with same model, name, texture, and animations for example. Rarely do they change them. It's just faster for them to take stuff and reuse them. Is it lazy? One could argue it's reusing assets out of lazyness. One could also argue it's a callback to FFXI that they happen to rely on quite often. Does it work though? Yep. They reuse stuff all the time and it's nothing new going into Endwalker.

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Originally Posted by Stepjam

ShB only had 2 original armor sets during leveling dungeons. 71 was reused, 73 was new, 75 was new, 77 was reused, 79 was reused.

So EW actually has more original armor sets in lvling dungeons than ShB did.

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Doesn’t EW only have 2 original armor sets in the leveling dungeons? 81 is Bonewicca,83 is new and it’s the garlean set, 85 is new and it’s the palaka set, 87 isn’t new it’s shadowless and undyable. We got no 89 dungeon gear this time. Shb at least gave us armor in Mt gulg 79 dungeon

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Originally Posted by Stepjam

ShB only had 2 original armor sets during leveling dungeons [so] EW actually has more original armor sets in lvling dungeons than ShB did.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

The reused ones were dyable versions of undyable sets though. Not the case this time. They either reused sets that were dyable already, or kept them undyable.

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I'm not seeing either of those statements add up though. As Kizuya listed, there are only two new dungeon sets in EW so they have the same number, not more.

And the recycled sets were mostly non-dyeable – even the Nabaath sets which were mostly reusing dyeable pieces were made undyeable (and in rather awful fixed colours, at that) and the Lakeland sets were also undyeable. The only dyeable recycled set was the Forgiven set, but that already existed in dyeable form as a level 70 crafted set.

I emphasise that there was a pandemic, but the finished product should be something that was up to the quality that people paid for.
I was also disappointed with the lack if original gear that the dungeons gave. There should have been more variety.

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Originally Posted by Brixy

They reuse assets from FFXI in every single expansion. Monsters with same model, name, texture, and animations for example. Rarely do they change them. It's just faster for them to take stuff and reuse them. Is it lazy? One could argue it's reusing assets out of lazyness. One could also argue it's a callback to FFXI that they happen to rely on quite often. Does it work though? Yep. They reuse stuff all the time and it's nothing new going into Endwalker.

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Some of the assets look even worse here. Like Fenrir for example, who had a dragon head's snout ctrl+v'd into it instead of looking like an actual wolf like in XI.