Ninja Main Angry

This stupid new Nin trait Adept Assiassan is broken get rid of it. I like my assainate thank you very much. It was unique and intresting. That trait upgrades it to Dream within a Dream and well before 6.0 we had both to use.

I would use Dream within a Dream then it would proc Assinate. The new Skill Huraijin is weak and lazy. I hate that new skill with a passion. What's the point of armor crush now if that skill is in the game??? Sorry for the rant but this is outrageous. SE bring back our Nin where it gives the player the freedom it had to play it. Not this boring mess other players agree on.

I know the Dev team was working on End Walker but seems Ninja got majorly nerfed beyond any of us wanted first it was Shadow Fang removed then a locked skill because of a trait. I never had to use anyone else's rotation on my Nin before I used my own and done very well in activities. Please Fix Ninja. This doesn't feel good to me anymore. I always loved playing Ninja and now it feels empty compared to what it used to feel like. All that work into the unique skills we had now not being be able to be used hurts.

I remember back in HW when you announced Assainate I was cool and I alway loved using it now well since the game duplicates it Dream within Dream when trying to use the older skill assassinate to the hotbar. What happened? Why did this come to pass? I've been playing FFXIV for a very long time and this really hurts to see a class like this made so simple compared how it felt orginally. Please Devs do something to fix our issue and bring back our beolved Ninja without scaraficing anything. I'm trying to see the logical expalnition in my mind but not finding an easy answer to it.

I can do without Shadow fang but Assassinate needs to be back to normal atleast. Nin was fine where it was at and was not broken. "If its not broken don't fix it." Thats one line I like to use Nin was good and please change Nin for the better. Outfit doesn't bother me. I have glamours to use so thats not bothering me but the fact my gameplay is being affected majorly by a trait that nerfs is not cool.

1. Section off your sentences to mini paragraphs to become more readable.

2. Hurajin is used during transitions when Huton falls off from a cutscene (basically every member in the party loses their timer on gauge) and when ninjas die. They won't have to waste a mudra to reapply Huton since they can't hide in combat. Instead, they can opt to use Hurajin in this case. It makes ninjas less punishing on death. I assume the idea is that you wouldn't want to sacrifice a Raiton for Huton and then lose a Raiju stack on top of that at level 90.

3. They most likely changed Assassinate to Dream within a Dream because Assassinate has an animation lock but Dream with a Dream doesn't. Plus, the change consolidates the skills into one button (freeing up hotbar space for more skills in the next expansion) and allows early leveling ninjas to have another skill to play with at early leveling stages.
Personally, I rather have expand on this change - with Assassinate upgrading into Dream with a Dream; Then at a later level, ninjas get a trait after using Dream with a Dream to follow up with an Assassinate combo in the same button. Hopefully that can be changed in another expansion.

4. I can't speak about Raiju without fully testing it out yet. I do know they allow consecutive stacking of Raiju now, so technically there has been adjustments. I'm just not sure if it's enough.

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Originally Posted by Crimson1345

The new Skill Huraijin is weak and lazy. I hate that new skill with a passion. What's the point of armor crush now if that skill is in the game???

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I thought this for a minute at first too, but look at your skill descriptions.

Armor Crush : 120 potency, 320 when used in combo (which you need to do to extend Huton) and 380 potency when in combo executed from flank. Extends Huton 30 seconds
Huraijin : 200 potency. Extends Huton 60 seconds

In order for it to invalidate Armor Crush, Aeolian Edge would need to have over 180 more potency than Armor Crush so that it's a DPS gain to just use it every 60 seconds instead of Armor Crush every 30-ish seconds. But it doesn't, Aeolian Edge only has 20 more potency than Armor Crush when executed in combo from its positional. If you're using Hurijin to extend Huton than you're losing 160 potency every time you use it to refresh.

As the person above me stated, the point of the skill is to reapply huton after in-fight cutscenes and upon being raised. It's a relatively niche skill you won't use much if you're playing properly.

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Originally Posted by AnotherPerson

1. Section off your sentences to mini paragraphs to become more readable.

2. Hurajin is used during transitions when Huton falls off from a cutscene (basically every member in the party loses their timer on gauge) and when ninjas die. They won't have to waste a mudra to reapply Huton since they can't hide in combat. Instead, they can opt to use Hurajin in this case. It makes ninjas less punishing on death. I assume the idea is that you wouldn't want to sacrifice a Raiton for Huton and then lose a Raiju stack on top of that at level 90.

3. They most likely changed Assassinate to Dream within a Dream because Assassinate has an animation lock but Dream with a Dream doesn't. Plus, the change consolidates the skills into one button (freeing up hotbar space for more skills in the next expansion) and allows early leveling ninjas to have another skill to play with at early leveling stages.
Personally, I rather have expand on this change - with Assassinate upgrading into Dream with a Dream; Then at a later level, ninjas get a trait after using Dream with a Dream to follow up with an Assassinate combo in the same button. Hopefully that can be changed in another expansion.

4. I can't speak about Raiju without fully testing it out yet. I do know they allow consecutive stacking of Raiju now, so technically there has been adjustments. I'm just not sure if it's enough.

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Iam Impressed that you read OPs mess of a Text until the end^^ i stopped after two sentences.

First of all the Assainte and Dream within a Dream were both useable berfore End walker. Second is I rather have more use of Ninjustsu then That lazy skill Hurajin. You can use the one move to use three Ninjustu to easily get Huton over that move so its uselss to me. Now as for the mess of the Paragraph I was heated.

Second though I still beilive we don't need that trait doesn't need to be ingame period its worthless to upgrade an existing skill to another one that existed already. Before 6.0 Dream within a Dream proced Assainte not the other way around.
You know what I mean we had both skills no trait to lock off after a certain level

I do agree with your idea for a change. That would be sufficent instead of locking a skill for no reason.

I mean they could easily do so much more useful things you know. Ninja does need some changes again as some stated its boring now compared to what it used to be. I think SE strayed to far on Nin.

I don't think the AF 90 armor is aswome but not hating on it you know. I have Glams for a reason.

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Originally Posted by Crimson1345

Second is I rather have more use of Ninjustsu then That lazy skill Hurajin. You can use the one move to use three Ninjustu to easily get Huton over that move so its uselss to me.

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There's not really a way to balance out giving more uses of ninjutsu over hurajin. If you made ninjutsu have three stacks, people would still just huton pre-pull and then hide to reset back to three, and if you made them have a shorter cooldown, people would be just as punished as they are now for dying in a fight by having to use a ninjutsu to reapply huton. Not only that but more ninjutsu uses won't fix the problem of dying, being raised quickly, and still having ninjutsu on cooldown when you get back up, so you not only have to wait to reapply, but then also lose a raiton by putting it back up.

These situational skills are often divisive, but for what it was designed to do, this is actually one of the better ones out there.

That Hurajin is garbage my range on houten in beginning of a boss fight proves the point Ninjustu for the win over that lazy skill. Your not gonna spend few seconds running to the boss to use it regardless. All Nins I know use there ninjstu right before the tank pulls the boss. I rather see it removed and replaced with something more Useful. Not saying add more charges, one Skill Nin has lets you cast three back to back Ninjutsu easily so there is no point for the lazy skill.

Espically with Armor crush being ingame Hurajin is not needed.

Thats not the main point Assassinate is the main concern for now. That trait needs to change or be removed to stop locking one of our dps skills we had without the trait being present before 6.0

Huraijin's whatever, but I do definitely miss assassinate. Was an extra oGCD adding to the speedy feel of the job, and having animation lock made you be somewhat careful about when you used it. Was a neat mechanic and I'm sad it's gone now. Though I won't complain too much, I still feel as if NIN is one of the jobs that actually gained more than it lost this expac. Though I'm yet to hit 90 and see the problems people have with Raiju, honestly the way it sounds like you have to be careful about when you use it seems like more of an appeal to me than a downside. But we'll see, I guess.

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Originally Posted by meowmaou

Huraijin's whatever, but I do definitely miss assassinate. Was an extra oGCD adding to the speedy feel of the job, and having animation lock made you be somewhat careful about when you used it. Was a neat mechanic and I'm sad it's gone now. Though I won't complain too much, I still feel as if NIN is one of the jobs that actually gained more than it lost this expac. Though I'm yet to hit 90 and see the problems people have with Raiju, honestly the way it sounds like you have to be careful about when you use it seems like more of an appeal to me than a downside. But we'll see, I guess.

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After getting Raiju earlier today and practically spenting a few hours with it , it drastically alters the way ninja plays just like bushin did for SB and TCJ in Stb . From what I've gathered TCJ and both mudra charges will be your pre TA setup , you pretty much won't be using any weaponskills for the first 30 seconds of a fight as you'll be using your bunshin stacks for 2 raiju combos and Phantom Kami . As far as Huraijin goes , the 2 trails I've played so far has been a good recovery experience when you die and if you're close to a TA phase that you'll still can cast suiton and still have a raiton to use . As I was one of the people that was sour about the loss of assassinate but I take it back because once you get Raiju your rotation is completely altered and becomes chaotic again

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Originally Posted by Ilyn

After getting Raiju earlier today and practically spenting a few hours with it , it drastically alters the way ninja plays just like bushin did for SB and TCJ in Stb . From what I've gathered TCJ and both mudra charges will be your pre TA setup , you pretty much won't be using any weaponskills for the first 30 seconds of a fight as you'll be using your bunshin stacks for 2 raiju combos and Phantom Kami . As far as Huraijin goes , the 2 trails I've played so far has been a good recovery experience when you die and if you're close to a TA phase that you'll still can cast suiton and still have a raiton to use . As I was one of the people that was sour about the loss of assassinate but I take it back because once you get Raiju your rotation is completely altered and becomes chaotic again

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Nice, looking forward to it. Should hit 90 tomorrow and get to play around with it.

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Originally Posted by Crimson1345

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It wouldn't be the internet if someone wasn't angry about something ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

True enough but its the nerf to Nin is main concern the class feels so empty to how it was before 6.0.

Assassinate should be useable no matter what and I cannot combo it now since dream within a dream is on its own after 56. Someone said Raiju but its lvl 90 abilites.

So no abilities to help from 56 to 90 strange. SE you need to revert Nin back to how it was before 6.0 without Shadow Fang its not missed as much as Assassinate is. I was really upset they really did this to Nin. Horrible. I love my Nin and played it since well when it released. They really messed Ninja up compared to how it was. That stupid trait needs to change or adjusted.

Dream within a dream goes with Assassinate. I dunno if there trying to push players to Reaper maybe but not the right idea players will always play a new class you know.

Huraijin is a lvl 60 skill useless before that level so Nins still have to use Ninjustu for Houten another point I will make.

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Originally Posted by Crimson1345

That Hurajin is garbage my range on houten in beginning of a boss fight proves the point Ninjustu for the win over that lazy skill. Your not gonna spend few seconds running to the boss to use it regardless. All Nins I know use there ninjstu right before the tank pulls the boss. I rather see it removed and replaced with something more Useful. Not saying add more charges, one Skill Nin has lets you cast three back to back Ninjutsu easily so there is no point for the lazy skill.

Espically with Armor crush being ingame Hurajin is not needed.

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You've completely missed the point here. The purpose of the skill is not to apply huton to start with, you should apply it with ninjutsu then hide to recover the charge if you're not in combat. And the purpose is not to refresh the timer, as I showed, it's a much weaker DPS skill than armor crush.

The entire point of this skill is to make it so that if you die in the middle of a fight, you don't have to forfeit a raiton in order to reapply your buff, and you don't have to wait the up to 20 seconds without that buff to get it back on. It's also for situations like Puppet's Bunker or E12 where there's a cutscene in the middle of the boss fight so you can reapply without wasting a ninjutsu charge. It doesn't replace anything you already had, it's just a situational skill.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

You've completely missed the point here. The purpose of the skill is not to apply huton to start with, you should apply it with ninjutsu then hide to recover the charge if you're not in combat. And the purpose is not to refresh the timer, as I showed, it's a much weaker DPS skill than armor crush.

The entire point of this skill is to make it so that if you die in the middle of a fight, you don't have to forfeit a raiton in order to reapply your buff, and you don't have to wait the up to 20 seconds without that buff to get it back on. It's also for situations like Puppet's Bunker or E12 where there's a cutscene in the middle of the boss fight so you can reapply without wasting a ninjutsu charge. It doesn't replace anything you already had, it's just a situational skill.

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Preach the good word!

Huraijin is your insurance skill death,cutscene,slip up,greed where huton drops or early pulls thats all

rip bozo assassinate you wont be missed
skill was only good for Gpose when they tacked it on to DWD in ShB

I really miss Assassinate. It feels so off without it now. Wish they wouldnt always streamline every job. I know the goal is to cause less stress while playing, but sometimes satisfying combos can increase gameplay.

Totally get the complaints ( for the most part, do have some disagreements ), especially about the opener and trick attack window it's definitely very different now.
But I actually find myself enjoying NIN a lot.
Not entirely sure if I enjoy Shadowbringer or Endwalker NIN the most but I'd actually probably say that I lean more in the Endwalker direction which I didn't think I'd say.
Raiju feels great to use imo the only real issue I have with it is that you should be able to use weapon skills and not lose the stacks.

I am surprised that I enjoy it tho because my initial impression was that I didn't like the heavier Ninjutsu emphasis.
Spamming one button isn't exactly super interesting that's for sure, but it does feel good and look cool at least imo.

Edit: Also I thought the Artifact gear looked stupid at first when I saw it.
Ingame it looks way better imo I rly like the chest piece and gloves a lot.

The point is Armor crush is there to keep ur timer going. That newer skill is usless. Most boss pulls I say again you use ur ninjustu to get that attack speed up prior to engagaing now for open world its meh. Assassinate was nerfed cause of the Broken trait they added its simple to fix remove the trait or adjust to do something else.

I rather use my one skill that lets me cast three ninjutsu to get my houten back instead of wasting the time for one lousy attack is the point. It doesn't combo into anything and its weak. I will say again bring back the Nin we had from SHB it was more fun. Raiju only helps at endgame or lvl 90.

Were missing so much prior to the that. Before End Walker we had Assassinate and Dream within a Dream. They worked togather. There's no agruing that. With that trait that forces Assassinate to Dream within a dream at lvl 56 is not good for Ninja. Before lvl 56 we have Assassinate but no dream within a Dream so theres the issue we have less skills till lvl 90.

Huraijin is a lvl 60 skill so before that its usless. So Nins won't learn to use it since they already have the muscle memory and so forth with the Ninjustu prior to lvl 60. For the ones who jump to whatever level then its on them. Now of Huraijin had a combo with it then it be more effective in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Crimson1345

I rather use my one skill that lets me cast three ninjutsu to get my houten back instead of wasting the time for one lousy attack is the point. It doesn't combo into anything and its weak. I will say again bring back the Nin we had from SHB it was more fun. Raiju only helps at endgame or lvl 90.

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Using Ten Chi Jin to refresh your huton not only means you have to wait up to the two minutes for it to come off cooldown to refresh, but you're also losing a suiton/doton. AND still losing potency in the process. Suiton, assuming that's what you're not getting, and the one with the lower total potency, is 500 potency. You're giving that up to get a huton. And you're doing this instead of just using the 200 potency Hurajin instead of your first spinning edge in your rotation... which is also 200 potency.

It's clear you're either now intentionally ignoring the purpose of the attack, or just insisting on playing poorly. Regardless, I'm done trying to convince you the error of just using mudras to apply huton mid-combat.

I never played poorly thats for sure cleared many salavages with my rotation prior to 6.0. These newer skills feel underwhelming is the point of this. I don't need to recast with ninjustu in mid combat I have armor crush lol. The point is Armor crush is here for a reason if you use it well no need for that other skill is the point. The newer skills are underwhelming compared to what Nin had prior to 6.0. Now Raiju is another topic but since its lvl 90 not gonna say much on it.

They left us with less effective skills compared to how we were in SHB. Avoiding mechincs is easier on for Nin compared to some other dps class since we can cast on the move. Don't forget the other ability we have to reset our ninjustu timer once as well we have some tools to use.

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Originally Posted by Crimson1345

I rather use my one skill that lets me cast three ninjutsu to get my houten back

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Sir, I'm going to need you to return your ninja soul crystal.

I read the Enhanced Meisui skill description totally wrong and though it meant ALL Bhava's while Suiton is ready were buffed. Didn't realize it was just a single buffed Bhava for 30s after Meisui. That's certainly easier than what I was doing.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

Using Ten Chi Jin to refresh your huton not only means you have to wait up to the two minutes for it to come off cooldown to refresh, but you're also losing a suiton/doton. AND still losing potency in the process. Suiton, assuming that's what you're not getting, and the one with the lower total potency, is 500 potency. You're giving that up to get a huton. And you're doing this instead of just using the 200 potency Hurajin instead of your first spinning edge in your rotation... which is also 200 potency.

It's clear you're either now intentionally ignoring the purpose of the attack, or just insisting on playing poorly. Regardless, I'm done trying to convince you the error of just using mudras to apply huton mid-combat.

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Meisui and the upgraded Bhavacakra is tied to it too unless you want to manually cast a Suiton for it ( which you don't ).
So in reality it's 1000 potency in total lost.

Only a few things I wish were different: not losing your Raiju stacks if you use a weaponskill (it's like messing up mudras all over again ;-; )

And Phantom Kamaitachi being made an oGCD. Yes, it's because I want more oGCDs. I like the fast clicky buttons. But I also feel like the animation would work fine as an oGCD as well. Maybe I'm not using it optimally but I feel awkward sending out my shadow and having to wait a whole GCD for a ranged skill.