what is the meaning of early acces ? many ppl seems to have forgoten what it means !

as far as i am aware, EA means that player pay to get a to play EARLIER to an UNFINISHED version of the game
(with possibly bugs, and other very unpleasant things like error 2002 in queue)
so im curious why do ppl act like this?
you all knew what you were signing for, right ?

if you dont like it, well dont play the early acces and play only from official release, if then problem happen, oh yes you will have all the right in the world to complain !
but now ? not so much ...


(just a small post because its getting ridiculous the amount of crybaby that keep saying how bad SE is bla bla bla, when with a minimum of common sense it can make sense really easily ...)

I’m wondering how often do people play on a daily basis to feel entitled to access the game 24/7… I don’t want to judge how people use their free time or how they prioritize their hobbies, but to get so worked up about the game suffering from it’s own success, and not being able to play for a few days…. Sure its unfortunate and frustrating for some, but I agree it was perfectly predictable. It will pass and things will go back to normal eventually…

There's two types of early access...

One is primarily used by small or indie devs to raise funds during development, usually offering an early, unfinished version of the game cheaper than it will eventually retail for upon release, with the promise of future updates as the development progresses (unless you're Larian then somehow you can charge the same price as a AAA title for an early access one!)

The other type of early access, mainly used by AAA companies such as SE or Ubisoft, is where you get access to the full game (or expansion) a few days early in return for pre-ordering.

FFXIV is firmly the latter type.

"Early" access. Login in the morning!

I did a workaround by logging in before peak hours.

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Originally Posted by anguel

as far as i am aware, EA means that player pay to get a to play EARLIER to an UNFINISHED version of the game
(with possibly bugs, and other very unpleasant things like error 2002 in queue)
so im curious why do ppl act like this?
you all knew what you were signing for, right ?

if you dont like it, well dont play the early acces and play only from official release, if then problem happen, oh yes you will have all the right in the world to complain !
but now ? not so much ...


(just a small post because its getting ridiculous the amount of crybaby that keep saying how bad SE is bla bla bla, when with a minimum of common sense it can make sense really easily ...)

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Its more about what preorder means, yes there are some issues but those typically are in game things not external things such as server issues. Things like broken skills, monsters way to powerfull , glitching through the ground or walls at places. Bugged drops, bugged power as in op skills for us beyond whats ment, bugged quest etc. We all accept those with preorder. But you dont expect the setver that was near perfect pre to have such massive issues on a large expansion drop. That's an external issue

When you pay for preorder the entire point is to have a headstart over people who havent.
Get in first and get through things with and unfiltered path.

This means more these days with stupid streamers,video posters who will ruin the entire experience of the game with their videos and making fight guide videos, text
So getting in before all that trash happans is the best experience which is y i preorder anyways

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Originally Posted by Barwara

I’m wondering how often do people play on a daily basis to feel entitled to access the game 24/7… I don’t want to judge how people use their free time or how they prioritize their hobbies, but to get so worked up about the game suffering from it’s own success, and not being able to play for a few days…. Sure its unfortunate and frustrating for some, but I agree it was perfectly predictable. It will pass and things will go back to normal eventually…

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Its the eventually that is the issue, when you know what will happen if you dont get there with the crowd or within three to four weeks (ur lucky if you get that)

Example ff7 preorder for remake we had to wait the full time but stupid streamers posting the gameplay from au because someone screwed up and gave it out early way earlier.

And this game ppl will be screaming y you failing go watch a video to learn mech, etc.
Streamers will have spoiler post all over in a week. And going to youtube has a huge risk of game being ruined for u.
So honestly cant blame ppl for that.

Legitly ppl already posting spoilers on YouTube.. So rlly their anger us justified

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Originally Posted by FusiaRain

Its the eventually that is the issue, when you know what will happen if you dont get there with the crowd or within three to four weeks (ur lucky if you get that)

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It’s a valid concern that I understand. Some have already finished the MSQ and others haven’t even been able to enter the game since the launch. But it’s a reality too… we can’t all have it our way, and I still think it’s not a good enough reason to blame the devs, rage quit, and throw tantrums (I’m not saying you are personally, just speaking generally).

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Originally Posted by Barwara

It’s a valid concern that I understand. Some have already finished the MSQ and others haven’t even been able to enter the game since the launch. But it’s a reality too… we can’t all have it our way, and I still think it’s not a good enough reason to blame the devs, rage quit, and throw tantrums (I’m not saying you are personally, just speaking generally).

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Honestly I would agree if streamers didnt exist and people posting vudeos of the game, which then players will scream and pressure ppl to watch to maje easy on them.

When people know thats going to happen (and it will) it creates justified feelings. People being ahead is fine, people h
Ahead posting videos of it unyil atleast 5 months after isn't. If this company dud something about that and what causes id agree with you completely.

Put it to you this way they dont get in cant get msq done in time to farm tomes good have to spend more gil to avoid this issue (maybe)
They not only can't experince the msq themself without it being ruined but now the raid is ruined for them to because if videos. So nothing is fesh until they add a new msq trail/ally raid months later.

Which cant be avoided if yiu watch anything from the fame series, like i listen to old ff music all the time and cant hit by a list of ffxiv spoiler fits every time i logon to youtube.

With dingeons its okay because trust tajes some of that away, and u can experience it your own way. Only until they sdd trust as an option for the entire ganes atleast 1st time would i agree with the notion.
Not because im against team plsy but im against streamer/video nonsrnse making the game pointless to play withiut experiencing things yourself atleast the first time. After first time can remove it as an option but

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Originally Posted by anguel

as far as i am aware, EA means that player pay to get a to play EARLIER to an UNFINISHED version of the game
(with possibly bugs, and other very unpleasant things like error 2002 in queue)
so im curious why do ppl act like this?
you all knew what you were signing for, right ?

if you dont like it, well dont play the early acces and play only from official release, if then problem happen, oh yes you will have all the right in the world to complain !
but now ? not so much ...


(just a small post because its getting ridiculous the amount of crybaby that keep saying how bad SE is bla bla bla, when with a minimum of common sense it can make sense really easily ...)

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That's not what early access means. It sounds like you're confusing early access with beta access. Early access simply mean early, as in "before the majority of players" i.e. official release. It does not in any sense mean that the product has not passed the QA testing phases that would mean that it is in any sense "unfinished". NOTE: that does not mean that there aren't any bugs, but that is true of all stages of the product, including the official release date.

By the way, if you're offended by some of the posts, using terms like "crybabies" or "bla bla bla" won't help.

early acces is not beta tester...
and as long as they advertise pre order come with it, it's not just a mere bonus, fail to deliver it count as false adverstising.

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Originally Posted by TristanX

"Early" access. Login in the morning!

I did a workaround by logging in before peak hours.

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Which is fine and dandy for those that can. Others, myself included, work during non-peak hours, and try to get online after work to unwind and enjoy an evening of gaming. I wanted to get online to play with friends last night, but with the 3 hours I get to play in the evenings, and a 7k queue to get online(with my average queue time on Sat and Sunday morning - around 9:30am mountain time - both times being 2.5 hours) I just didn't even bother waiting in queue, I closed FF right away and tried to find something else to do

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Originally Posted by FusiaRain

Honestly I would agree if streamers didnt exist and people posting vudeos of the game, which then players will scream and pressure ppl to watch to maje easy on them.

When people know thats going to happen (and it will) it creates justified feelings. People being ahead is fine, people h
Ahead posting videos of it unyil atleast 5 months after isn't. If this company dud something about that and what causes id agree with you completely.

Put it to you this way they dont get in cant get msq done in time to farm tomes good have to spend more gil to avoid this issue (maybe)
They not only can't experince the msq themself without it being ruined but now the raid is ruined for them to because if videos. So nothing is fesh until they add a new msq trail/ally raid months later.

Which cant be avoided if yiu watch anything from the fame series, like i listen to old ff music all the time and cant hit by a list of ffxiv spoiler fits every time i logon to youtube.

With dingeons its okay because trust tajes some of that away, and u can experience it your own way. Only until they sdd trust as an option for the entire ganes atleast 1st time would i agree with the notion.
Not because im against team plsy but im against streamer/video nonsrnse making the game pointless to play withiut experiencing things yourself atleast the first time. After first time can remove it as an option but

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I understand your point of view. Plus, it’s frustrating to see people progress and not being able to log in the game yourself in the same time.
But you can entirely avoid to see those videos if you don’t want to see them. This is my case : I ignore streamer content to keep the pleasure of the discovery.
It’s up to players to watch it or no, eventually.

Well, it's no longer early access since it is the official launch day for Endwalker, so now it's just plain can't play the regular online game that is up and running for most other people.

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Originally Posted by FusiaRain

Honestly I would agree if streamers didnt exist and people posting vudeos of the game, which then players will scream and pressure ppl to watch to maje easy on them.

When people know thats going to happen (and it will) it creates justified feelings. People being ahead is fine, people h
Ahead posting videos of it unyil atleast 5 months after isn't. If this company dud something about that and what causes id agree with you completely.

Put it to you this way they dont get in cant get msq done in time to farm tomes good have to spend more gil to avoid this issue (maybe)
They not only can't experince the msq themself without it being ruined but now the raid is ruined for them to because if videos. So nothing is fesh until they add a new msq trail/ally raid months later.

Which cant be avoided if yiu watch anything from the fame series, like i listen to old ff music all the time and cant hit by a list of ffxiv spoiler fits every time i logon to youtube.

With dingeons its okay because trust tajes some of that away, and u can experience it your own way. Only until they sdd trust as an option for the entire ganes atleast 1st time would i agree with the notion.
Not because im against team plsy but im against streamer/video nonsrnse making the game pointless to play withiut experiencing things yourself atleast the first time. After first time can remove it as an option but

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This kind of explains my frustration with this situation. Everyone is talking about how incredible Endwalker is and having conversations I can't take part in because I am unable to log in. It isn't that I didn't buy or register it or did something wrong myself it's just the server's inability to host me while everyone else gets to enjoy this, from what I hear, incredible monumental expansion.

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Originally Posted by anguel

as far as i am aware, EA means that player pay to get a to play EARLIER to an UNFINISHED version of the game
(with possibly bugs, and other very unpleasant things like error 2002 in queue)
so im curious why do ppl act like this?
you all knew what you were signing for, right ?

if you dont like it, well dont play the early acces and play only from official release, if then problem happen, oh yes you will have all the right in the world to complain !
but now ? not so much ...


(just a small post because its getting ridiculous the amount of crybaby that keep saying how bad SE is bla bla bla, when with a minimum of common sense it can make sense really easily ...)

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Serious question. Since I am not of level for Endwalker MSQ yet, are you seriously suggesting I should stop logging in and questing along in the older content I am in just because it is early access for others? I am living through the 2002 nightmare just like everyone else even though I am not part of the Early Access.

The bugs with the congestion are affecting everyone not just Early Access people.

This isn't really early access. Even if you are playing non-endwalker content you are getting effected. The early access is just last minute to receive the pre order bonus. The full release was the 7th. The official release is the deadline for preorder bonuses. Nothing new comes out on the official release.

Anyone who thinks early access is just beta testing is wrong imo. It is just a marketing gimmick to get as many pre orders out as possible. And quite frankly I have no issue with it.

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Originally Posted by Myrany

Serious question. Since I am not of level for Endwalker MSQ yet, are you seriously suggesting I should stop logging in and questing along in the older content I am in just because it is early access for others? I am living through the 2002 nightmare just like everyone else even though I am not part of the Early Access.

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You're a paying subscriber just like the rest of us. Please continue trying to play, you have every right to. Wishing you the best of luck in the Login Server (EX) trial.

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Originally Posted by anguel

as far as i am aware, EA means that player pay to get a to play EARLIER to an UNFINISHED version of the game
(with possibly bugs, and other very unpleasant things like error 2002 in queue)
so im curious why do ppl act like this?
you all knew what you were signing for, right ?

if you dont like it, well dont play the early acces and play only from official release, if then problem happen, oh yes you will have all the right in the world to complain !
but now ? not so much ...


(just a small post because its getting ridiculous the amount of crybaby that keep saying how bad SE is bla bla bla, when with a minimum of common sense it can make sense really easily ...)

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u focus on EARLY too much

but what is important is ACCESS

:P

This is bait obviously. But in the off chance it isn't...What exactly about the games expansion isn't finished? The servers are the issue not the game itself.

It really would have been simpler and far more educational for you to just say you don't understand what early access means in a setting like this, as opposed to beta or alpha.

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Originally Posted by anguel

as far as i am aware, EA means that player pay to get a to play EARLIER to an UNFINISHED version of the game
(with possibly bugs, and other very unpleasant things like error 2002 in queue)
so im curious why do ppl act like this?
you all knew what you were signing for, right ?

if you dont like it, well dont play the early acces and play only from official release, if then problem happen, oh yes you will have all the right in the world to complain !
but now ? not so much ...


(just a small post because its getting ridiculous the amount of crybaby that keep saying how bad SE is bla bla bla, when with a minimum of common sense it can make sense really easily ...)

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Early access on a Triple A title is not a function test for launch. Greenlit or Gold Status the game reaches for official release is what players get with early access.

What you are talking about is a Test phase like Beta or Alpha or pre-launch test. Which would not make sense for testing phases one week before official launch.

My two cents, you talking about people as if they are dumb in understanding game launches shows your place among them.

If you have criticism to make, make them sound ones. Probably not best to show the lack of education on your part about the matter.

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Originally Posted by anguel

as far as i am aware, EA means that player pay to get a to play EARLIER to an UNFINISHED version of the game

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I think you confuse Early Access with Beta test
But that's not even the issue, the game itself is is super smooth when in - getting in is the issue.