Why is SDS Fenrir allowed to exist as it is?

Mind you, this isn't a post made out of jealousy, I own the mount, I'm just curious.

Why is something so obviously pay-to-win allowed to exist? Are the devs okay with this, or are they just oblivious?

For those who don't know: The SDS Fenrir shop mount runs at top speed even when you don't have riding maps, eliminating any need for players to get the maps if they own this mount (while also limiting them to only using that mount). It's a lose-lose situation both ways, and makes the game look bad imo. Pay to win elements shouldn't exist, even if you think movespeed 'isn't a big deal', eliminating the need for people to do the riding map unlocks is a pretty big thing I think.

Because once you get flying its the same speed as everything else. Its not "pay to win" its "pay to advance faster" much like the story and job skips.

Didn't know that higher ground speed (that you will get after doing, what 6 fates?) on a open-world map was considered P2W. What do you win?

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Less time spent. When you're moving at twice the speed as normal, without having to spend hours getting riding maps, that's a lot of time saved.

Thought that was obvious.

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Seems pretty silly to think that's a win in anything. But you go off if you feel that way. I'll keep using my SDS and "win" i guess.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Didn't know that higher ground speed (that you will get after doing, what 6 fates?) on a open-world map was considered P2W. What do you win?

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Less time spent. When you're moving at twice the speed as normal, without having to spend hours getting riding maps, that's a lot of time saved.

Thought that was obvious. It's basically punishing people who didn't buy the mount with an extra grind to reach the same point-even if the grind isn't the longest thing.

Fly to win!

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Less time spent. When you're moving at twice the speed as normal, without having to spend hours getting riding maps, that's a lot of time saved.

Thought that was obvious. It's basically punishing people who didn't buy the mount with an extra grind to reach the same point-even if the grind isn't the longest thing.

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Its 20% faster not double.

Every few months this comes up but again labelling it as p2w is disingenuous at best.

You dont win anything, it doesn’t help you beat the game, it’s a luxurious convenience and that’s all. You can have the same convenience with every mount by putting in just a little extra work.

That’s it. No need to rehash the same topics every other month for no reason.

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Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl

Because once you get flying its the same speed as everything else. Its not "pay to win" its "pay to advance faster" much like the story and job skips.

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The players in this game are so funny. Other SE games sell the exact same thing and they get raked over the coals and stop sales shortly after. This game it is just convenience item.

"Obviously Pay to Win" is a little exagerated.
In EW/ShB areas u can get the mount speed map fairly quickly after (6?) fates.
In ARR areas you unlock flying straight out of the bat once u finish the Base MSQ.
If anything Fenrir has lost its value.
HW/SB is debateable but its also whatever.

Fenrir is extremely optional.

theres no pay to win in this game, its an MMO theres no "winning" so someone else is getting exp a lil bit faster then you bit deal its not the end of the world

Eh, just play the game. The more you whine on the forum, the less time you spend progressing toward your flying mount, the more time you walk on foot.



Heck, the time you post here and wait for people to reply and argue with them should've been better spent to do six FATEs and get a riding map if it bugs you that much.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Mind you, this isn't a post made out of jealousy, I own the mount, I'm just curious.

Why is something so obviously pay-to-win allowed to exist? Are the devs okay with this, or are they just oblivious?

For those who don't know: The SDS Fenrir shop mount runs at top speed even when you don't have riding maps, eliminating any need for players to get the maps if they own this mount (while also limiting them to only using that mount). It's a lose-lose situation both ways, and makes the game look bad imo. Pay to win elements shouldn't exist, even if you think movespeed 'isn't a big deal', eliminating the need for people to do the riding map unlocks is a pretty big thing I think.

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It's not max ground speed. It's only the speed of the first riding map. Also, it cost money. If you spend extra you get incentives others don't have. The premium plan in the companion app comes to mind. You want to talk for pay for an advantage that's a huge one considering how much we value storage space in this game.

Don't be a Titanman.

I do think its dumb that this mount has a special game effect when no other mounts do. It's not like I can actually blast mobs with my dwarven tank cannon, right.

That said, it's not a serious thing to me.

I never bothered to get any riding maps in the past. Never had a problem with anything. I am actually surprised that some people think regular mount speed is slow.

I've still yet to buy a mount off the cash shop, nor do I own the fenrir. Don't care. I just did 6 fates and moved on with it

I too have it and I bought it specifically because of the groundspeed bump because the first tier is absolutely dreadful. Nevermind that I actually like the aesthetic (other than that silly smog cloud that follows it).

Is it an unfair advantage? Yes. However it's not even close to game breaking and once flying can be unlocked the only people that (might?) care are those that didn't keep up with the aether currents.

To allow us to have our Cloud fantasy.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Mind you, this isn't a post made out of jealousy, I own the mount, I'm just curious.

Why is something so obviously pay-to-win allowed to exist? Are the devs okay with this, or are they just oblivious?

For those who don't know: The SDS Fenrir shop mount runs at top speed even when you don't have riding maps, eliminating any need for players to get the maps if they own this mount (while also limiting them to only using that mount). It's a lose-lose situation both ways, and makes the game look bad imo. Pay to win elements shouldn't exist, even if you think movespeed 'isn't a big deal', eliminating the need for people to do the riding map unlocks is a pretty big thing I think.

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I literally don’t understand this argument. What are you “winning” exactly? Reaching a destination faster than someone without a Mount? It’s a negligible gain if you really want to reach—just be careful a shoulder doesn’t get dislocated in the process.

Getting to a place seconds faster isn’t “winning”. This doesn’t give you a combat advantage or other meaningful game advantage. If you think this is pay to win, please just go look at some of the items F2P games have like exp boost scrolls and gear enhancement guarantees.

"Punishing ppl"? :confused:
I dunno but...did u ever thought of the great amount of ppl, bein slow on purpose?
Many of us dont want to rush anythin, or dont have any problems with amounts of time things take.
Thats why many of us dont care.
We even have memes about our community like "Go read/play story...NO RLY GO PLAY STORY! TAKE UR TIME!!!"
Many of us dont like/want ppl to max lvl jumpscare their classes for obvious reasons.
Many of us dont want to wall 2 wall everything.
Many of us dont EVER skip cutscenes.
As u can see, some dont even know what u are talkin about by sayin "Win".
And i guess thats part of the reason, why most of us couldnt care less about some random mount out of 5980254720 bein ??% faster.

I've been here for quite a while and i NEVER felt "punished" anyhow.
I still dont care tbh.
Personally im fine with havin to work for my progress, no matter how long it takes.

Not meant rude.
But its a rly great amount of ppl.

Greetz,
Mörser out

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Mind you, this isn't a post made out of jealousy, I own the mount, I'm just curious.

Why is something so obviously pay-to-win allowed to exist? Are the devs okay with this, or are they just oblivious?

For those who don't know: The SDS Fenrir shop mount runs at top speed even when you don't have riding maps, eliminating any need for players to get the maps if they own this mount (while also limiting them to only using that mount). It's a lose-lose situation both ways, and makes the game look bad imo. Pay to win elements shouldn't exist, even if you think movespeed 'isn't a big deal', eliminating the need for people to do the riding map unlocks is a pretty big thing I think.

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The bike has been around for a while, long before it was added to the Mogstation. Originally the developers were against adding it into the game because they didn't like how odd it looked when traveling at the standard mount speed (which, for a long time, was the only mount speed that existed).

When additional ground speeds for mounts were eventually introduced, the idea of allowing the bike in was revisited, and apparently the developers liked how it paired with the advanced ground speed because they finally added it into the game at that point (while making the advanced ground speed its base movement speed).

Essentially, I don't think the bike would have ever been released with the slower speed. At least, that's the direction things seemed to be going. So, it was either going to be a fast bike, or no bike at all.

It should be no surprise that a fair portion of the community was begging for the bike.

Consider never having the full comprehension of leaving Midgar, duplicating Knights of the Round, or acquiring a Gold Chocobo. The hardest of the hardest taking your best bruh for some TLC time at the Saucer. Donate plasma. Save a life and own your own SDS Fenrir.

The only issue i have with the SDS Fenrir mount is when your up in the air and you scroll out to see yourself on the mount flying, i don't know about anyone else, but i sure as hell dont need big flames and smoke in my face blocking the view. They could just get rid of the smoke and have to where you barely see the flames, or just NOT HAVE IT AT ALL.

Honestly, necroing a thread from 2 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Darkpaw

Every few months this comes up but again labelling it as p2w is disingenuous at best.

You dont win anything, it doesn’t help you beat the game, it’s a luxurious convenience and that’s all. You can have the same convenience with every mount by putting in just a little extra work.

That’s it. No need to rehash the same topics every other month for no reason.

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^What she said.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Mind you, this isn't a post made out of jealousy, I own the mount, I'm just curious.

Why is something so obviously pay-to-win allowed to exist? Are the devs okay with this, or are they just oblivious?

For those who don't know: The SDS Fenrir shop mount runs at top speed even when you don't have riding maps, eliminating any need for players to get the maps if they own this mount (while also limiting them to only using that mount). It's a lose-lose situation both ways, and makes the game look bad imo. Pay to win elements shouldn't exist, even if you think movespeed 'isn't a big deal', eliminating the need for people to do the riding map unlocks is a pretty big thing I think.

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You complain about that but forget that once you finish praetorium in main scenario that you unlock flying in arr zones making any ground mount speed moot lol. Who cares if someone got a slightly speedier mount. What advantage do they have? It's not like there isn't a huge amount of mounts in the game.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Mind you, this isn't a post made out of jealousy, I own the mount, I'm just curious.

Why is something so obviously pay-to-win allowed to exist? Are the devs okay with this, or are they just oblivious?

For those who don't know: The SDS Fenrir shop mount runs at top speed even when you don't have riding maps, eliminating any need for players to get the maps if they own this mount (while also limiting them to only using that mount). It's a lose-lose situation both ways, and makes the game look bad imo. Pay to win elements shouldn't exist, even if you think movespeed 'isn't a big deal', eliminating the need for people to do the riding map unlocks is a pretty big thing I think.

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I mean, there is nothing competitive about the story, hence there is no pay to win.

If it moved faster in PVP it would be pay to win.

I would consider it more 'Pay for convenience' which i really don't have an issue with. considering once the 20 hours storyline is over and done with, its just a $20 mount that has no real use.