Should i idle afk in the morning to be able to play in the evening???

Before someone asks, yes i know how that sounds.

Its 19:15 here and i got back from work 5 minutes ago. Im leaving the house around 8:30 and i have no possibility to log into the game until im back. My que number is 7400 right now and judging from the experience at weekend i guess it will be around 3h before i can log in.

If i start the game in the morning i can log in nearly instant like usual before the expansion. (Im playing on Ragnarok/Chaos EU Server)

So when im finaly able to play i only have about 30 min left before i need to log off and get ready for the next day. You could also say SE punishes the people with work and a regular life, because all unemployment and people with holydays dont need to care about these issues. All they need to do is login in with their char in the morning (when there is nearly no que) and they are fine. Of course they shouldnt be afk for to long or switch the char but aside from that they have no issues at all with this launch.

If you login in the morning you'd be kick before you end your work.
Best you can do is ask someone log you in but again risk of afk kick, or use a remote service like teamviewer.

But queues will die down soon enough so you will get to play at regular hours.

You'll get kicked out after 30 minutes' inactivity.
Plus they seem to have fixed the work-around where you would go to the HUD setup screen.

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Originally Posted by TattersailNightwish

Plus they seem to have fixed the work-around where you would go to the HUD setup screen.

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They have, to my knowledge the only way to skip it now is using external software which is against TOS.

Well the thing i mean is that as PC user there are ways to keep your char busy even if you are not using your pc. There are already a bunch of players who are doing that. The topic is more if SE really wants us to use such methods than the afking itself.

Here is the thing if you use a mouse or keyboard for example that is able to use simple macros or programmable buttons its really no big deal, you dont even need to install addional software because you are just using a feature that your hardware provides

And being part of the problem is the solution, right?

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Originally Posted by Missbone

Here is the thing if you use a mouse or keyboard for example that is able to use simple macros or programmable buttons its really no big deal, you dont even need to install addional software because you are just using a feature that your hardware provides

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You are in that case botting by definition = automating. I hope someone that's on chaos will report you if you do this.

The fact that you're asking means that you already know it's wrong. It just feels like your asking for permission, validation or excuses to do so.

You would be actively and knowingly contributing to the problem.

I dont say its perferct or ok, but lets be honest at the end of the day the own interests comes first for nearly every person on earth. Of course its not a good solution, but would you be ok with not beeing able to play the game for several days because you are an honest person while others who dont care about fairness found a workaround and can play the game normal every day? SE will surly not bann these people i can promise you that and they dont care to much about perma afkers either, you just have to take a look at limsa or other crowded places before the expansion.

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

The fact that you're asking means that you already know it's wrong. It just feels like your asking for permission, validation or excuses to do so.

You would be actively and knowingly contributing to the problem.

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I think you got something wrong, i dont ask or need a permission for anything, its more about a discussion how things are right now and if SE really wants us to accept that.

What I did today knowing I'm getting off during prime time is get up an hour earlier and played for an hour.

I got into game right away. I'll have some issues with trials since I can't use trusts for those, but I'll figure something out if I can't get in during the evening. Even if it is holding MSQ progress to the weekend.

I can level up my trusts or work on aether currents, etc.

You can justify botting however you want. The fact remains its against TOS, and if you're afk aside from a small movement every 20 minutes or so, you're going to stick out like a beacon and beg for a GM coming down on you.

Uh, are you asking our permission to cheat the system or something? Please don't bot or use third-party tools to idle your character all day and prevent others from playing while you're at work. This is literally contributing to the problem you're trying to avoid.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

I dont say its perferct or ok, but lets be honest at the end of the day the own interests comes first for nearly every person on earth. Of course its not a good solution, but would you be ok with not beeing able to play the game for several days because you are an honest person while others who dont care about fairness found a workaround and can play the game normal every day? SE will surly not bann these people i can promise you that and they dont care to much about perma afkers either, you just have to take a look at limsa or other crowded places before the expansion.

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They hotfixed the methodology they used to stay logged in permanently without using external tools prior to the expansion launching to prevent this behavior during the launch, just as an FYI. It was capable of being done without external application or tools, the fact they went out of their way to hotfix an esoteric means by which one could avoid AFK kicks should tell you what you need to know about the present opinion of the company on this topic.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

Before someone asks, yes i know how that sounds.

You could also say SE punishes the people with work and a regular life, because all unemployment and people with holydays dont need to care about these issues.

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LMAO.

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Yes. Everyone is doing it, especially the forum white knights, and no punishments have been issued. In fact you should ask some of them on this thread for the 3rd party program they are using

Just become a terminally unemployed NEET like the rest of the people whiteknighting for SEs failed implementation of a queue system.

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

The fact that you're asking means that you already know it's wrong. It just feels like your asking for permission, validation or excuses to do so.

You would be actively and knowingly contributing to the problem.

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This.

Everyone wants to play, everyone has to wait. Don't be selfish and waste other people's time just so you can have a little more fun.

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I dont say its perferct or ok, but lets be honest at the end of the day the own interests comes first for nearly every person on earth.

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That's walking a fine line between making sure you have what you need and being part of the scum of the earth. This isn't some life or death situation it's a video game, you can wait. The less people trying to cheat the lower the queues will be for everyone. Ofc some will cheat anyway, hopefully they get banned.

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Originally Posted by lezard21

Yes. Everyone is doing it, especially the forum white knights, and no punishments have been issued. In fact you should ask some of them on this thread for the 3rd party program they are using

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To be honest i don't even need to ask because i know how this kind of stuff works and if i would actively using it i woudn't even bother making a topic here. Im more interested in what other people think about this situation than the act itself.

Imagine caring about the rightness of a work around to a system that is so shit, that it doesn't even allow you to wait in line. A queue is fine. Being constantly removed/unable to even access the queue is unacceptable failure.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

Just become a terminally unemployed NEET like the rest of the people whiteknighting for SEs failed implementation of a queue system.

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Nice try. Not all of us that are being understanding are unemployed. I'm currently at work. I got my play in today before work in case queue is too much of a problem when I get home around 6 pm est.

I do it and nobody can stop me.

To be fair, the EU servers are cooked.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

To be honest i don't even need to ask because i know how this kind of stuff works and if i would actively using it i woudn't even bother making a topic here. Im more interested in what other people think about this situation than the act itself.

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Just check the last 10 pages of topics. Honest people that stick by the ToS are upset that they cannot play the game at all. Forum whiteknights say everything is fine and that this has been the greetest launch evah because they used exploits and 3rd party program to stay logged in. Honest people are upset SE is not doing anything to allow them to play the game nor punishing the whiteknight cheaters.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

Before someone asks, yes i know how that sounds.

Its 19:15 here and i got back from work 5 minutes ago. Im leaving the house around 8:30 and i have no possibility to log into the game until im back. My que number is 7400 right now and judging from the experience at weekend i guess it will be around 3h before i can log in.

If i start the game in the morning i can log in nearly instant like usual before the expansion. (Im playing on Ragnarok/Chaos EU Server)

So when im finaly able to play i only have about 30 min left before i need to log off and get ready for the next day. You could also say SE punishes the people with work and a regular life, because all unemployment and people with holydays dont need to care about these issues. All they need to do is login in with their char in the morning (when there is nearly no que) and they are fine. Of course they shouldnt be afk for to long or switch the char but aside from that they have no issues at all with this launch.

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I think if you can find a way to do it, then do it. If you were seeking some approval like someone to tell you it's OK then I'll tell you straight up It's OK. I don't have a problem with players who want to "AFK Dance" or "Idle" in FFXIV all day even with the current Queue problems in Queuewalker.

You pay your subscription, you get access to the FFXIV server world, venue and services, you paid your rent DONE.

SquareEnix is obligated to provide you and me access to the FFXIV server world, venue and services that we paid for, it's not on you to make room for other players, it's on SquareEnix to provide enough room for all the customers.

Update!: I was a minute ago at que number 3800. Than i got the usual 2002 kick after an hour or so tried to log back in like at weekend where atleast this worked and i could keep my number. Now i got a connection error or something (had to restart the game again once more) and abra kadabra my number went back to 6800.

I guess its better to not write what i think right now.

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Originally Posted by lezard21

Just check the last 10 pages of topics. Honest people that stick by the ToS are upset that they cannot play the game at all. Forum whiteknights say everything is fine and that this has been the greetest launch evah because they used exploits and 3rd party program to stay logged in. Honest people are upset SE is not doing anything to allow them to play the game nor punishing the whiteknight cheaters.

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Or maybe there are those of us who abide the TOS and while it's frustrating to deal with the queue issues, realize that this will pass with time and the MSQ is not going anywhere soon and are being understanding while time is given for solutions to be found and implemented before blowing a gasket over it.

I do feel bad for those who haven't gotten in during their available times. It's why I played this morning and then logged off. Didn't want to keep someone else from playing as the longer you're on queue the more chance of the 2002 error happening.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

I'm leaving the house around 8:30 and I have no possibility to log into the game until im back.

If i start the game in the morning i can log in nearly instant like usual before the expansion.

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Wake up earlier and play in the morning?

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Originally Posted by Seera1024

What I did today knowing I'm getting off during prime time is get up an hour earlier and played for an hour.

I got into game right away. I'll have some issues with trials since I can't use trusts for those, but I'll figure something out if I can't get in during the evening. Even if it is holding MSQ progress to the weekend.

I can level up my trusts or work on aether currents, etc.

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I would take a bet that there are still plenty of people queuing at all hours. I can't see you not getting your trials done.

Reshade is also against ToS, but you don't see people complaining about that.

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Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl

You can justify botting however you want. The fact remains its against TOS, and if you're afk aside from a small movement every 20 minutes or so, you're going to stick out like a beacon and beg for a GM coming down on you.

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Yep if they are suspected of botting, or afk play, GM will send them a afk check tell and if they do not respond.......

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Originally Posted by Velnora

Reshade is also against ToS, but you don't see people complaining about that.

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Reshade doesn't have a negative impact on others' ability to play the game.

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

Reshade doesn't have a negative impact on others' ability to play the game.

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That isn't what is being argued. It's hypocritical of people to bring up ToS, when they already go against it.

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Originally Posted by MStowastiqVahlshdeh

Yep if they are suspected of botting, or afk play, GM will send them a afk check tell and if they do not respond.......

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People will just do it inside an inn.

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Originally Posted by MStowastiqVahlshdeh

Yep if they are suspected of botting, or afk play, GM will send them a afk check tell and if they do not respond.......

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Can we have a stat on that cause I've reported numerous people that I know are botting and they're still running all together in a line getting aethersand all on the black chocobo.

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Originally Posted by Anemic

I would take a bet that there are still plenty of people queuing at all hours. I can't see you not getting your trials done.

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I'm a DPS. Getting in isn't an issue. It's completing it and then any post trial cut scenes where I would have potential issues depending on when in the hour I unlock the trial.

In response to a question by the OP earlier. Yes I am absolutely ok with the fact that I might not be able to play every day because of the queues conflicting with real life commitments. I would far rather be able to look myself in the face in the mirror and know I am an honest person than cheat the system.

In the end my self respect is far greater than playing any game. There are other things I can be doing when I can't log in.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

Just become a terminally unemployed NEET like the rest of the people whiteknighting for SEs failed implementation of a queue system.

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Or some of us have actually good jobs that allows us to have play time...... sorry to burst your bubble

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Originally Posted by Zileth

Or some of us have actually good jobs that allows us to have play time...... sorry to burst your bubble

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Most of us are work from home not actually working or unemployed tho.