Shutdown of all worlds for a week and fix the issue by adding more servers

I mean, why not? They gave free days anyway and this is fair to everyone. I think there was a time an mmo got maintenance for a week, forgot the name but yeah.

They will be forced to do it whether they like it or not release is on the 7th and servers won't be able to handle it, and if someone does a DDOs its game over they will be handing out 30 days free time to millions.

They can't add more servers. All they can do is say "Please understand," while doing nothing.

So your solution to "some people can't play" is to make it so "no one can play"?

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

So your solution to "some people can't play" is to make it so "no one can play"?

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Its not some, its the majority, so yea you will have to suffer with the rest of us.

Yeah I mean those that have played, good them! But based on the reception of those not being able to login it seems fair. Once the servers are added, it will be fun for everyone and not just for the people in game right now.

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So your solution to "some people can't play" is to make it so "no one can play"?

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Schadenfreude.

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Originally Posted by Rinlina

I mean, why not? They gave free days anyway and this is fair to everyone. I think there was a time an mmo got maintenance for a week, forgot the name but yeah.

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Semiconductor shortage = no server hardware is available for purchase. How do you expect them to add servers if the hardware to do so isn't available?

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So your solution to "some people can't play" is to make it so "no one can play"?

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Whether you like it or not, the goal is not for "some can play" while others can't so if I can play, forget everyone else. An MMO is set up where all should be able to access so to answer your question, yes, take them down if that is what it requires to fixing the issue so all can play rather than the some that you seem to be ok with from your post.

It's not that they don't have a good reason as to why they can't update their server infrastructure.

It requires physical items that literally don't exist beyond their raw components. There are select few semiconductor manufacturing plants in all of the world, and when COVID hit, auto makers cancelled their orders and a good chunk of these semiconductor manufacturers shut down (either temporarily or otherwise). Orders began to pile up from every corner due to never-changing demand with a reduced production capability, and then auto makers renewed their orders once some of the haze cleared - and then there were problems.

While expansion launches are rarely pretty, I don't think Square Enix expected a fallout of this magnitude to occur. They likely expected issues, but this is a bit of nightmare.

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Originally Posted by Leviathan1usa

An MMO is set up where all should be able to access so to answer your question, yes, take them down if that is what it requires to fixing the issue so all can play rather than the some that you seem to be ok with from your post.

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That is not even remotely true. Practically every MMO, FFXIV included, make no guarantees on the ability to connect to and play on their servers. Even if their hardware is perfect, the underlying Internet infrastructure that everyone must go through to connect to their equipment is far from perfect.

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Originally Posted by Rinlina

I mean, why not? They gave free days anyway and this is fair to everyone. I think there was a time an mmo got maintenance for a week, forgot the name but yeah.

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I understand the frustration, BELIEVE me, I do, currently 4k+ Queue. They'd love to, and have not been working on only new servers, but new worlds in the works, but even paying way over market, they don't have the semi-conductors to do it. This is was an insane confluence of events, and if any one was different, we wouldn't be having these issues.

There's the shortage, which they can't do anything about, because the pandemic caused severe supply chain issues, meaning they can't get the parts they need for the new servers.

Then there's the sheer numbers. The current active player is literally larger than WoW at it's prime. This was cause by a few factors. One, it's a great game, so people are going to play. Second, there's the free trial that expanded that base (That meme we've been throwing around has hit the Law of Unintended Consequences), drawing in people who might have paid for the game on spec, and giving them enough playtime to get through the rougher parts of ARR. Finally, Blizzard. Through a combination of azz-hattery that we've known about for years related to gameplay, and the current Russian nesting-scandals they're going through, a huge section of the WoW base finally said, "F*** it!" and gave XIV a proper shot (added to because, again, super-generous free trial, and it's a really good game).

And just look at Yoshi in the recent Live Letters: That is a man who has been through The Wars. I'm pretty sure he vaguely *remembers* what sleep is, but it's sort of that nostalgia goggles thing at this point.

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Originally Posted by Sanjoo

Take a shot every time some robot repeats "semiconductor shortage" without knowing anything about server hardware that is available right now.

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Not at the scale needed for FFXIV. You're being disingenuous.

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Why would they release more expansion copies than the max capacity of the server? I don’t put the whole apple in my mouth when I know my mouth is too small to handle it. I take small bites.

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It's a product... and they're a business. That's how business works.

It's not uncommon to sell a product to a customer not intending to use it right away or at all - Kickstarter purchases tend to be forgotten about pretty often.

Beyond that, they have stockholders and investors that can force a certain direction for the company and its projects. They can literally cut funding if this thing isn't released by this date by taking their investment back. Even if YoshiP and his crew are virtuous developers, if they allow that to happen then nasty reprimands will ripple throughout the company.

Look, I ain't happy about this launch realistically speaking. People now are working on emotion-based fallacies, and that's not a proper way to feed an argument.

Sure punnish the most of us that can play for the minority that cant
I mean since the is a queue it means the server are full of player that manage to login
Seeing as queue does advence a a 4elative good speed (depending on server) it mean that more people manage to login when other leave

Lets face it the real problem is the 2002 that sometimeake you looseyour spot in the queu, sometimes not
The wait time in itself is managable atleast to me

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Originally Posted by Dark_Lord_Kuro

Sure punnish the most of us that can play for the minority that cant
I mean since the is a queue it means the server are full of player that manage to login
Seeing as queue does advence at a relative good speed (depending on server) it mean that more people manage to login when other leave

Lets face it the real problem is the 2002 that sometimeake you looseyour spot in the queu, sometimes not
The wait time in itself is managable atleast to me

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Originally Posted by Leviathan1usa

Whether you like it or not, the goal is not for "some can play" while others can't so if I can play, forget everyone else. An MMO is set up where all should be able to access so to answer your question, yes, take them down if that is what it requires to fixing the issue so all can play rather than the some that you seem to be ok with from your post.

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I never said the goal was "some can play". The OP suggests adding more servers, but additionally that the game should be shut down until those servers are added so that it's "fair". I am all for adding more servers if that's what gets everyone playing, but that hardly means needing to shut down the game entirely to do so is required. They are not at all exclusive to one another.

The whole "being fair" aspect just seems like a petty reason to make sure that if you can't currently enjoy the game then no one else can either. It's very unfortunate that not everyone can gett logged in, but punishing those that can is not a fix.

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Doesn’t jp have a spare servers to spare? I don’t know how it exactly works, but is it not possible to redistribute those servers on a server in Germany? Just not technical, but more on what is fair. I’m more on the part of fairness.

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We are on 4 to 5 month lead time for servers for our projects and my work place.

one thing they could do is boot the free trial accounts until the infrastructure is updated. Not prioritize eliminate.

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Originally Posted by st0ut717

one thing they could do is boot the free trial accounts until the infrastructure is updated. Not prioritize eliminate.

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I'm actually agreeable to having having the free trial access temporarily suspended through the Early Access period. It's a little late at this point, but that's likely a lot of players that would be put on the back burner. Would it be a bummer for them? Sure, temporarily , but there's always the option to purchase the full game if you're serious about it.

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one thing they could do is boot the free trial accounts until the infrastructure is updated. Not prioritize eliminate.

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Not just for early access - I'd say do it for 2-4 weeks from Early access start date. Gives all paying customers a chance to complete the MSQ and have a good run on the game before trial accounts are allowed back in. It may also deal with some of the RMT bots that use free trial accounts.

I was reading another suggestion on a forum the other day but it would be very unpopular - a mandatory session kick after 8-12 hours. Though it would stop the afk'ers getting around the auto logout, and allow a greater selection of people in, I could see a lot of complaints from those that are fortunate enough to have that much time to play the game. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a sure-fire way to make everyone happy but disabling free trial for a few weeks would certainly help in my opinion.

The problem is, it is not easy to get proper hardware at the moment. In my company we bought a server and normally it would be ready to ship after a week at the latest. But we had to wait 1,5 months this year. And the server contains nothing special. And we don't know which hardware the FF14 servers need. If it is something unique then it could be impossible to get it.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Dark_Lord_Kuro

Sure punnish the most of us that can play for the minority that cant
I mean since the is a queue it means the server are full of player that manage to login
Seeing as queue does advence a a 4elative good speed (depending on server) it mean that more people manage to login when other leave

Lets face it the real problem is the 2002 that sometimeake you looseyour spot in the queu, sometimes not
The wait time in itself is managable atleast to me

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That means that most people had 2002 error and lands at the end of the queue, and from your point of view it look like "Oh great, look how many people logs every minute, more and more plays right now, hundreds log in and (I don't know why) hundreds of people stop playing after waiting so many hours in the queue before" No it's not like that.