How to use 6 sided star on monk?

I think I understand it's use, but can someone tell me the proper way to use it please?

You don't. Unless you really need even more movement speed to get away for mechanics and you are not in between GCDs.

But the real answer is: you don't.

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Originally Posted by Superskull85

You don't. Unless you really need even more movement speed to get away for mechanics and you are not in between GCDs.

But the real answer is: you don't.

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No that's not the real answer.



You use it when you need to leave the boss.
It's essentially meant to make up for not having a ranged attack or some other ( more useful, Anatman is freaking awful... ) channeled ability during downtime.

Basically, boss is doing a mechanic and you need to move away you use SSS to get a big hit in before you leave.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

No that's not the real answer.



You use it when you need to leave the boss.
It's essentially meant to make up for not having a ranged attack or some other ( more useful, Anatman is freaking awful... ) channeled ability during downtime.

Basically, boss is doing a mechanic and you need to move away you use SSS to get a big hit in before you leave.

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This is what I thought. Thanks for answering!

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

No that's not the real answer.



You use it when you need to leave the boss.
It's essentially meant to make up for not having a ranged attack or some other ( more useful, Anatman is freaking awful... ) channeled ability during downtime.

Basically, boss is doing a mechanic and you need to move away you use SSS to get a big hit in before you leave.

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Again no. I disagree. The only use of SSS would be when the boss is untargatable for more than 4 seconds. If you use SSS to dodge an AOE and the boss is still targetable after said AOE you'd rather keep uptime as much as you can, dodge the AOE and keep your GCD rolling.

SSS as only ever been used as a finisher or for instance where the boss disapear for long period of time. Using SSS instead of keeping your combo to roll is not a good use of it.

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Originally Posted by FoxNigthDream

Again no. I disagree. The only use of SSS would be when the boss is untargatable for more than 4 seconds. If you use SSS to dodge an AOE and the boss is still targetable after said AOE you'd rather keep uptime as much as you can, dodge the AOE and keep your GCD rolling.

SSS as only ever been used as a finisher or for instance where the boss disapear for long period of time. Using SSS instead of keeping your combo to roll is not a good use of it.

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You obviously need to use some common sense.
I am not saying that you should use it when you just have to move in and out for like a second.

I thought that was pretty obvious since I compared it to channeled abilities and said '' leave the boss ''.

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Originally Posted by Meta-Flare

I think I understand it's use, but can someone tell me the proper way to use it please?

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That’s the neat thing, you don’t

Just don't use it unless you really, and I mean REALLY know a fight well. Only when you do know a fight well can you make use of it.
Essentially don't bother, marginal gaines at best before you know a fight, and even then, marginal gains.

My head...

Meta, yeah you had the right idea please don't listen to people telling you not to use it :/...

( And these same people want to dictate how MNK should play and be balanced... Dear lawd help us. )

If only the speed increase was the same of a sprint, then I would see it more useful as a tactical tool, because it would allow you to squeeze a bit more on the boss before rushing out of melee knowing that you'd move that fast.

I'm kinda surprised that both SSS and Anatman remained as they were.

The problem with the skill is that in that same situation where the boss about to jump away for a lengthy time there are at least 4 times approaching level 90 where you are better off continuing your normal rotation because it yields better results on a singular, final, hit. To say that you should simply use it just as the boss is about to jump away is not a simple nor a yes or no answer. As has been said, you need to know your rotation well, know where you are in your rotation, and have really good awareness of a fight to know how much time you have left, precisely. If you miss the window by 2.05/.1 seconds you just did less overall damage as that final disengage because you could have added a regular rotation skill before it.

Calling it a downtime skill is generous at best. If you used any other skill in that place the downtime portion of the skill amounts to 190 potency or worse (or even a loss). It is the downtime skill that was leftover and is so well used that using it may actually harm your potentially.

So, yes, the simple answer is to not use it. The complex answer is to become an expert on the fight you're in, your rotation, and exactly where you are in the rotation. Only than should you consider utilising brain energy for it, if you have it to spare after all of that.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

If only the speed increase was the same of a sprint, then I would see it more useful as a tactical tool, because it would allow you to squeeze a bit more on the boss before rushing out of melee knowing that you'd move that fast.

I'm kinda surprised that both SSS and Anatman remained as they were.

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In all honesty MNK should have a passive speed buff like NIN, it makes sense and we used to have it when GL4 was still a thing ( as in not a passive ).

Rly dislike how we keep losing things or how things are just moved around.
Three of our Blitz finishers are not even new they're just re-used ogcds turned into gcds...

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Originally Posted by Superskull85

So, yes, the simple answer is to not use it. The complex answer is to become an expert on the fight you're in, your rotation, and exactly where you are in the rotation. Only than should you consider utilising brain energy for it, if you have it to spare after all of that.

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You don't need to be an expert you only need a bit of common sense and a very base level understanding of the fight.
Are you going away for more than 4s or so?
Use it.
It's that simple.

It also doesn't require a form and doesn't remove or change your form.
If we take Demolish as an example and lets say that you're in Coeurl form and Demolish has 8s left and you need to move away for 4s then back, instead of clipping it or letting it drop because you have to move away you can just let it keep ticking and SSS and then come back and Demolish ( depending on the scenario but just an example ).

Yes it's technically a bit more complicated, but even for just a general player it's perfectly fine to just say to use it as a downtime skill and in 9 out of 10 cases it's not going to '' harm '' you or your rotation.
But that's also where some common sense and base level understanding and thinking comes into play.

It sure as hell is significantly better than telling people '' just don't use it bro ''.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

I'm kinda surprised that both SSS and Anatman remained as they were.

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I'm not. Whenever SE cites "bloat" as a concern, know that anything that follows is a lie, especially in regards to monk.

Just thought I'd like to share a pro tip for SSS that you can use it before Limit Breaking for a nice combo topper with high potency.

You don't gain any benefit other than landing the flat damage since the speed will wear off, but the LB doesn't get hit with the timer like every other skill does so if I ever LB, I SSS beforehand and immediately cast afterwards, like weaving in an oGCD.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

My head...

Meta, yeah you had the right idea please don't listen to people telling you not to use it :/...

( And these same people want to dictate how MNK should play and be balanced... Dear lawd help us. )

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There just aren't any real situations that are worth the slowed GCD tradeoff. If you need to get away from a boss fast in like 90% of scenarios you can just...walk. Or sprint if it's dicey. There aren't enough situations that would have you dash away from a boss for more than four seconds that really necessitate the use of a move that exists solely to make it easier to do that where in six sided star is worth the space it takes up on your bar.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

If only the speed increase was the same of a sprint, then I would see it more useful as a tactical tool, because it would allow you to squeeze a bit more on the boss before rushing out of melee knowing that you'd move that fast.

I'm kinda surprised that both SSS and Anatman remained as they were.

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I don't think they were. SSS wasn't given the HW-era Empyreal Arrow treatment until Endwalker, I thought, which is what the added portion of the tooltip seems to imply (that it incurs but does not respect the GCD).

If the tooltip isn't errant, its uptime cost would be <an animation lock short of a GCD> less than it used to be and yet its potency remains the same.

That is to say (again, if the tooltip isn't an error), assuming we had a 2s GCD before, we've gone from an effective uptime cost of 4 seconds to a cost of ~2.5 seconds (with low ping, as animation lock variance from ping is now relevant), at 550 potency (edit: listed at 500 online; 550 is only on the job guide).

Maybe if I could log in at some point during Early Access, I could test said tooltip... (My hunch though is that the tooltip is bogus, either in having the same descriptor as old pseudo-GCDs or in its potency.)

EDIT: Sadly, SSS does not act like other skills that previously used that tooltip descriptor ("This weaponskill does not share a recast time with any other actions"). Its functionality is just as shoddy as before. And the potencies on the job guide online and in-game are also different, so... /shrug.