Delubrum Reginae future-proofing

I noticed that over the past few months, future-proofing measures have been added to Save the Queen content (I.e. the Echo, and not having to remain on the buttons in CLL) to ensure players can still progress and earn their artifacts after Endwalker launches. However, I have not seen any such measures in Delubrum Reginae.

I am concerned that after Endwalker launches, it will be far more difficult to progress past that particular stage of artifact weapon progression, as Delubrum Reginae will be practically dead without 24 people wanting to run it at a time, especially given that the only other source of Timeworn Artifacts is Palace of the Dead, and AFAIK that source has not been buffed so it's still stupidly grindy. Furthermore, if a new player decides to do Save the Queen, DR will be a hard stop to progress (Meaning no access to Zadnor, the Dalriada, or Blade's weapons).

Will any future-proof measures be made for Delubrum Reginae, such as allowing undersized groups with the Echo?

Hopefully, otherwise that step could become very bad.

Delibrium reginae would be much easier to access if it was accessible via duty roullete, but the existance of bozja action/skill make it complicated, other alternatives is perhaps They should make an 8 or 16 version of it, just like the 48 savage have the 24 version

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Originally Posted by Ravor

Delibrium reginae would be much easier to access if it was accessible via duty roullete, but the existance of bozja action/skill make it complicated, other alternatives is perhaps They should make an 8 or 16 version of it, just like the 48 savage have the 24 version

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Then you're diverting resources for remaking content that is meant to be done 24-man, which in turn uses up more resources than say trying to make a 4-man dungeon. If anything, I think the fears about DR not being able to cleared are misplaced; if you need something done, don't forget to reach out to the community via /shout and the like. If you need DR done just to get by in story, then sure. If it's for relic weapon, then hope you can get people who are willing to stick around for 5 fast runs of DR. I know asking around does a lot since I've found people who've helped me get some of my relic weapons done in the past.

To be frank, I'm hoping that the duty can be commenced with less than 24 players with echo scaling added into the mix to compensate the missing players. Just like how CLL and Dalriada operates. Keep the DF-esque que because that's a nice thing to have.

This is coming from somebody who cleared all their relics prior to nerf... I still do the weeklies and come back from time to time cause I like the contents. Yet the process to get into one is a bit 'meh'.

There is always a final pass to make the relic weapons and their associated content soloable in the following x.1 patch. I doubt they've forgotten about Delubrum Reginae or any of the other group Bozja content.

I've taken two characters to Hydatos during Shadowbringers and the zones are still fairly well populated. People are doing BA regularly and I'm sure they'll take care of Bozja as well and not let it die. I'm wondering if we'll see any nerfs announced in the 6.0 patch notes or if those will come later.

It's going to be like Eureka - which is to say they might take a few stabs at touching it up but I wouldn't expect anything big. There will probably be a huge drop in interest in doing DR once EW drops and by the end of EW people will probably start doing it again just to get resources for cosmetic items they want like the armor and weapons.

Personally I'm hoping they just increase the drop rate of the memories from other sources.

I hope they make it scale like Dalriada. Undersized Dal is usually more fun and faster than a full group.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

I hope they make it scale like Dalriada. Undersized Dal is usually more fun and faster than a full group.

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Yes this could be good although I hope that will only apply to normal and not savage. They didn't nerf BA to my knowledge and I hope that will also be the case for savage.

It could be added to the Alliance Raid roulette with echo, so anyone leveling their characters can get it if they have unlocked it. It's necessary to complete it to progress through the quests so it will need future proofing.

Nobody in DR uses essences anyway, so they might as well make it a regular duty.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

It could be added to the Alliance Raid roulette with echo, so anyone leveling their characters can get it if they have unlocked it. It's necessary to complete it to progress through the quests so it will need future proofing.

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Good gravy, no. Keep it out of Alliance Roulette.

And OP, yes, the drops in PotD are still stupidly RNG. I was getting relic drops there a couple weeks ago and I had a point I went 51-100 3 times without a single drop. Then ran 1-10 for the lulz and got a drop. They really need to buff the rates there. Getting through DR for the quest will still be necessary but there will at least be a better alternative for the drops.

DR was not the only step at any point though. There's dungeons and POTD.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

DR was not the only step at any point though. There's dungeons and POTD.

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It is in the actual Bozja storyline. That would be impossible to get through without some future proofing.

The future proofing makes sense for CLL and Dalriada because they're CEs that don't have a required number of players. You could load into them mow with just a few people.

DR however is an instance with a set number of players, just like an alliance raid.

They really don't have to do anything because valor exists. Plus DR normal doesn't have boss enrages compared to savage, so they don't even need to add echo. I doubt they'd do anything to DR savage as well, since they made it scale down to 24 (although the trash mobs don't scale but that isn't a big deal)

BA didn't get a single nerf, and that content has always been thriving, more so during content downtime.

So here it is (6.0 Pre Patchnotes):

The following additions and adjustments have been made to Delubrum Reginae:

• The maximum waiting time to enter has been set to 10 minutes.
  Once the time limit has been reached, players will enter the duty even if they have not reached the maximum party size of 24.
• Parties comprised of less than 24 players will be granted the power of the Echo.
  The strength of the Echo is determined by the number of players matched. Fewer players will result in a stronger Echo effect.

* The aforementioned changes do not apply to Delubrum Reginae (Savage).

Rather fair update, echo only for undersized, and it'll force wait to try to get as many as possible. Savage gets left alone to preserve.

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Originally Posted by technole

Rather fair update, echo only for undersized, and it'll force wait to try to get as many as possible. Savage gets left alone to preserve.

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Honestly this was more than I expected and it's surprisingly good. DR is already easy to beat even without the full 24 people. With a few essences and such, giving a group the echo will blow DR normal out of the water which means the resistance weapon grind is preserved.

Came as quite a surprise to be going in as healer, only to find myself - solo.
WHM vs all of Delubrum... I tried - but that first tank buster was all it took.
I like that now we can do with undersize <24 , but it would be nice to set some minimum. Wish I had farmed more timeworn artifacts when doing this the first time with my main. :(

I think a lot of bored Ultimate/Savage players would be willing to help. In OCE for example, I couldn't find anyone to help me finish The Seat of Sacrifice via the duty finder. It timed out for like 3 days in a row during peak times but when I made an unsynced pf for it on the 4th day, it filled up in 10 minutes and I got thru it in 4 mins lol

I'm not sure if that could be done Unsynced but if its possible I think people will help out :)

I tried running DR a few times recently. Pretty much the only feasible way to do it now is with a premade group in the party finder. I think they should make it so if you go in with an 8-player premade, it should let you in immediately, rather than waiting 10 minutes. In fact, they could do that simply by lowering the maximum number of layers to 8, down from 24. Nobody's going to be doing 24-player runs anymore.