OKAY. I get it now.

Previously, I used to think the idea of butt sliders were just people being weirdos. Now? I see people's point of view, but obviously I couldnt before because I would always wear my Viera panties which gave my character a nicer looking behind.

Instead of butt sliders, why not just update all the characters to give them a plumpier butt? Not to an unnatural extent obviously. I created a fantastic glamour the other day and once I took my viera panties off, it gave me a pancake butt & it just looks so strange.

Basically, if they altered character models it would likely require going back over every single piece of gear that's visible on the lower portions of a character in every single animation, and possibly even in every combination, to make sure things work and don't cause excessive clipping, etc. Plus, there are people who like and/or are just used to the current models that wouldn't want their character to be changed, so any change even if it seemed like a no-brainer has to be weighed against the people who like the current situation.

For the record, I'd like to see a butt slider or just bigger butts too, but it's not really a "simple change."

Welcome to the church of butts.
May we one day be able to tell our fronts from our backs.

I don't think altering the character model itself would even do anything because as soon as you equip a piece of gear that model effectively replaces that part of the body, so they'd also have to alter every piece of lower body gear to not have pancake butt anymore.

Pancake is still cake

It's not so simple unfortunately because of how gear is actually visualized in game. Leg pieces actually completely swap out a portion of the character model. Just adding a slider at character creation doesn't make all the current gear reactive to that adjustment. That would require adjusting every single piece of older gear as well, which easily creeps into thousands of pieces to adjust and then review for clipping/tearing issues. Which would also need to be done to make more leg pieces have a more distinct butt as you suggested. It's a lot of additional work on top of maintaining regular patch cycle content.

I think the best we can hope for at this point is that more leg pieces in the future are designed and implemented with better butts... It's been a long long time since they've done it, but they released their metrics before (sometime between the end of ARR and during HW) where they showed that they can see what everyone is glamouring already. So we know they can see the actual numbers of what are the most used glamour items. With the amount of ppl that use 2B leggings and the Viera Pantalettes for glam now... hopefully they'll be motivated to add some more options in the future.

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It's not so simple unfortunately because of how gear is actually visualized in game. Leg pieces actually completely swap out a portion of the character model. Just adding a slider at character creation doesn't make all the current gear reactive to that adjustment. That would require adjusting every single piece of older gear as well, which easily creeps into thousands of pieces to adjust and then review for clipping/tearing issues. Which would also need to be done to make more leg pieces have a more distinct butt as you suggested. It's a lot of additional work on top of maintaining regular patch cycle content.

I think the best we can hope for at this point is that more leg pieces in the future are designed and implemented with better butts... It's been a long long time since they've done it, but they released their metrics before (sometime between the end of ARR and during HW) where they showed that they can see what everyone is glamouring already. So we know they can see the actual numbers of what are the most used glamour items. With the amount of ppl that use 2B leggings and the Viera Pantalettes for glam now... hopefully they'll be motivated to add some more options in the future.

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A number of those people may be using them for the tights tho, and not the butt. I know I do, I don't care about butt size, I can't even see it in 99% of my glams anyway.

But the tights are the only pair we have that are transparent.

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Instead of butt sliders, why not just update all the characters to give them a plumpier butt?

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Because some people prefer tight, lean glutes and options are nice?

But yes, a modest adjustment towards the athletic-but-realistic wouldn't be remiss.

One day i wish to not sit down directly on my spinal cord.

SE does not believe in the badonkadonk.

you ever see 2b bottoms clip through a dress/tunic when you sprint or sit down?

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you ever see 2b bottoms clip through a dress/tunic when you sprint or sit down?

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A price i'm willing to pay.

Never saw the appeal in using the 2B bottoms, or the viera bottoms with 97% of gear. It doesn't match the majority of glams I see people using them with.

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Basically, if they altered character models it would likely require going back over every single piece of gear that's visible on the lower portions of a character in every single animation

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This is why I believe we will never see body sliders :(

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Never saw the appeal in using the 2B bottoms, or the viera bottoms with 97% of gear. It doesn't match the majority of glams I see people using them with.

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I like the 2b bottoms when used in some sort of leotard getup, but I have mentioned before that the 2b bottoms on their own look like some sort of lewdy granny panties.

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I like the 2b bottoms when used in some sort of leotard getup, but I have mentioned before that the 2b bottoms on their own look like some sort of lewdy granny panties.

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Indeed... got my fingers crossed that they re-use the frame for future Moonfire Faire stuff, but with a more flattering cut for the straps. And make something for guys to while they're at it. 2B butts for everybody.

I wanted thicker thighs and butts on my human character. more like Ashelia from FFXII

Having a larger posterior is not something I've thought my character lacked...

It's one of those "would need a full graphics engine update to do" things.
YP knows we want it, and they WILL do a graphics engine update/ overhaul at some point, so we gotta play the waiting game.

I had to check if OP's character was from Balmung.

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Instead of butt sliders, why not just update all the characters to give them a plumpier butt?

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No thanks. Beauty standards are NOT the same around the world.

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you ever see 2b bottoms clip through a dress/tunic when you sprint or sit down?

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Lol
You ever see an NPC's hair clip through their own face and/or back during a cutscene?

Clipping is a feature of Eorzea.

I do prefer to have thicker glute for a male character. At this stage, they are worse than pancake.

Bigger boobs and butts are nice, I wouldn't mind. Definitely up my alley.

More male plumpy butts are great!

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No thanks. Beauty standards are NOT the same around the world.

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I’m not asking SE to give us Nicki Minaj’s butt. You can’t take off your pants and think a behind that flat is normal.. like it doesn’t even have a shape

Male butts are depressing, I'm all in favor for a slider, which would satisfy people across the board. But like you guys have mentioned, easier said than done unfortunately.
And the engine update (whenever that is gonna happen) will probably not arrive in the next three years, at least not to the scope I think some people imagine it to be.

At the very least, they could follow up on what yoshida said and start designing future gear to have rounder figures. Yoshida did say they could look at it

I honestly think they could do with an update of gear design standards. While altering existing gear would be very costly, making changes to standards so future gear is improved is part and parcel of improving productivity and quality.

They should at the very least when designing future gear
-design capes on armour so they don't clip the tailed races. this goes to the concept artists.
-Adjust base helmets to have gaps for auri horns, like they are now starting to do for viera ears in EW
-for the modellers, keep the floating armour pieces to a minimum. Alexander gear and lots of pauldrons on armour are especially bad here. The floating armour causes clipping and in the alex drg chest. eyes to get poked out
-the 3d modellers need to learn to merge vertices. doing so will free up data and smoothen the physics to prevent clipping
-tattoos need to take into account au ra scales

finally, they can design leg armour to have a better toned shape or thicc booty like yoshida mentioned. Once they got their bases down, it will be easier to develop more.

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Indeed... got my fingers crossed that they re-use the frame for future Moonfire Faire stuff, but with a more flattering cut for the straps. And make something for guys to while they're at it. 2B butts for everybody.

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This is what I’m hoping for, if they can’t add body options then they can change the body shape through gear like with the 2B leggings.

imagine the smell

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Bigger boobs and butts are nice, I wouldn't mind. Definitely up my alley.

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Yes please

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At the very least, they could follow up on what yoshida said and start designing future gear to have rounder figures. Yoshida did say they could look at it

I honestly think they could do with an update of gear design standards. While altering existing gear would be very costly, making changes to standards so future gear is improved is part and parcel of improving productivity and quality.

They should at the very least when designing future gear
-design capes on armour so they don't clip the tailed races. this goes to the concept artists.
-Adjust base helmets to have gaps for auri horns, like they are now starting to do for viera ears in EW
-for the modellers, keep the floating armour pieces to a minimum. Alexander gear and lots of pauldrons on armour are especially bad here. The floating armour causes clipping and in the alex drg chest. eyes to get poked out
-the 3d modellers need to learn to merge vertices. doing so will free up data and smoothen the physics to prevent clipping
-tattoos need to take into account au ra scales

finally, they can design leg armour to have a better toned shape or thicc booty like yoshida mentioned. Once they got their bases down, it will be easier to develop more.

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Well they said that money tap is open. But we all know it was just a pr crap

I have said this before but really the body shapes are so flat....I wear the 2b bottoms for the shape it gives to my characters legs and bottom. I don't wear them to be weird or creepy I just can not as a female relate to that flat bottom haha! I also play Dancer a lot and think it works but I wish the Knicker part covered the bottom up but give the shape.

They really need to add more items or update the character creator it is so out of date! I want fuller brows and bigger bottom :)

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Well they said that money tap is open. But we all know it was just a pr crap

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Honestly its hard to tell sometimes whether its just pr crap or if its something they just cba to do, or if its something they will get to in about 4 years time or even if its something they were doing and then quietly dropped

my point still stands though, they adjusted their workflow for vieran hats, they can adjust it for all these other really basic things for future items

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I’m not asking SE to give us Nicki Minaj’s butt. You can’t take off your pants and think a behind that flat is normal.. like it doesn’t even have a shape

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So, make it an option then? Don't force it on everyone. Choices are a GoodThing(TM).

Maybe the next ff mmo will have bust/butt sliders but i highly doubt this old engine can handle it, as someone said, they would have to go though all clothes, animation, ect ect Just to do that adjustment