How Do We Explain Ryne?

So, firstly, if you haven't played Shadowbringers to the end, don't read any further. Please. No spoilers.

Now that that's out of the way.

So Ryne is from the first. She's also part of the Trust. We know that the Trust is carrying over to Endwalker (hence the recommendation we level up our Trust NPC's before then).

We also know that we are getting Estinien as a Trust NPC in Endwalker.

So my question is, will Estinien be replacing Ryne in the Trust?

If not, how will they explain her presence in the Source for dungeons?

This question has been bugging me and the only thing that makes sense is that she won't be able to do any dungeons except Shadowbringers... unless Graha finds a way to bring her to the Source... but why would he? How would they bring Ryne to the Source?

If she just magically appears in our trusts in the new dungeons.. please have at it. But as we have no idea what's happening yet or where, maybe cool it on questions nobody could possibly answer right now?

Ryne will likely be replaced by Estinien since she's a DPS and he's a DPS. It's an easy switch and easily explained - so her name will likely be faded out or no longer present in instances taking place in Endwalker.

Edit; In addition. If she can only be utilized in Shadowbringers content - there's no point in leveling her up beyond 80.

I think there'll be an extra slot for Estinien.

And Ryne will only be availaible to pick for Shb content (and Estinien for EDW of course)

If only we had a vision system like Final Fantasy Brave Exvius.

Infact, a collab with that game would be an excellent way to introduce the new system.

Summon a vision of Ryne in the source or Estinien on the first as needed, with the FFBE characters introducing the system to them.

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Originally Posted by KitKatnip

So, firstly, if you haven't played Shadowbringers to the end, don't read any further. Please. No spoilers.

Now that that's out of the way.

So Ryne is from the first. She's also part of the Trust. We know that the Trust is carrying over to Endwalker (hence the recommendation we level up our Trust NPC's before then).

We also know that we are getting Estinien as a Trust NPC in Endwalker.

So my question is, will Estinien be replacing Ryne in the Trust?

If not, how will they explain her presence in the Source for dungeons?

This question has been bugging me and the only thing that makes sense is that she won't be able to do any dungeons except Shadowbringers... unless Graha finds a way to bring her to the Source... but why would he? How would they bring Ryne to the Source?

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They most likely won't.
During the first go at a dungeon you've got a specific selection of characters that are cannonically present at the time, after that you can return in the dungeon with characters that shouldn't have been around at the time of the events. It'll be just the same.

Not sure why this is an issue...? We already have temporary npcs in the forms of Lyna and the Exarch version of G'raha, so just punting an NPC out of the selection screen for specific dungeons obviously isn't an issue. I seriously doubt Ryne would just show up in Endwalker dungeons, as she has her own life to live on the First and there's no valid reason for her to just somehow traverse the Rift "just because."

To be honest I am a little surprised they didn't simply slap Riol in for Rynne. What I am curious about is Alphinaud. If he changes to Sage will he be Sage in Norvrandt zones too or is it a variable change?

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Originally Posted by Sigiria

They most likely won't.
During the first go at a dungeon you've got a specific selection of characters that are cannonically present at the time, after that you can return in the dungeon with characters that shouldn't have been around at the time of the events. It'll be just the same.

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Yep, was going to post this as well. We already have Scenario (Story) mode and Avatar (anything goes) mode. Heck, in scenario mode we may even have extra characters added as needed that aren't even Scions at all like Lyna for Holminster Switch. Now, for general story Trust concerns you could say that Estinien does replace Ryne as they are both melee DPS but I'd imagine it will just be a case where whichever characters are available will just depend on the story with Graha still being able to flex roles as needed.

Scenario Mode in EW will likely not have Ryne, unless you need to scramble in The First for a dungeon (doubt so. Let that place rest already until maybe 7.0). You have Einstein who replace her.


Avatar Mode just mean that you play with the Trust of your desire. There is no lore reason behind it outside helping your other jobs to level up when roulette refuses to cooperate, and a goal for grinders who want a change of Trust outfits.

By the end of 5.3, the WoL possesses a magic stone with the power to Call heroes from beyond the rift to aid them. There is really no reason we couldn't use it to summon Ryne to our side if we turn out to need her help.

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Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

By the end of 5.3, the WoL possesses a magic stone with the power to Call heroes from beyond the rift to aid them. There is really no reason we couldn't use it to summon Ryne to our side if we turn out to need her help.

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We don't need a lore reason to explain metamechanics. Scenario Mode only lets you choose Trusts who were actually canonically present the first time you ran the dungeon. Avatars Mode lets you pick any Trust you've leveled because Avatars Mode and Trust leveling are not in-universe things. We really need to stop trying to lore explain gameplay features that are obviously just gameplay features.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

Scenario Mode only lets you choose Trusts who were actually canonically present the first time you ran the dungeon.

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Yes, that's what I'm talking about.

I wonder if G'raha will still be an all-rounder or if he will just be a mage at this point?

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Originally Posted by Wasselin

I wonder if G'raha will still be an all-rounder or if he will just be a mage at this point?

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I don't see any reason to reduce his skill set at this point, especially while Thancred is our only other tank.

On the other hand, it would be nice if they could give him access to archer again, but I think having two DPS jobs would confuse the way the trust system works with him automatically taking whatever role is needed in the party.

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Originally Posted by Wasselin

I wonder if G'raha will still be an all-rounder or if he will just be a mage at this point?

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I likely missed some stuff but he seems to have been demoted to just a black mage since his story transformation. Probably getting all the Scions and some new characters so will have quite a selection. Personally don't bother with trust at all though outside of just seeing who you can bring

G'raha being an all rounder is a story point that is mentioned in side dialogue, so I really doubt he's suddenly gonna forget how to cure or tank.

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Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

By the end of 5.3, the WoL possesses a magic stone with the power to Call heroes from beyond the rift to aid them. There is really no reason we couldn't use it to summon Ryne to our side if we turn out to need her help.

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This is a good point, too, in addition to the fact that Ryne not being canonically present wouldn't actually change how the Trust system works.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I don't see any reason to reduce his skill set at this point, especially while Thancred is our only other tank.

On the other hand, it would be nice if they could give him access to archer again, but I think having two DPS jobs would confuse the way the trust system works with him automatically taking whatever role is needed in the party.

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Yeah, I'd love it he could get access to archer/bard again, too. They could maybe introduce another version of him to the Trust interface that is an archer? And make picking one mutually exclude the other.

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Originally Posted by KitKatnip

So, firstly, if you haven't played Shadowbringers to the end, don't read any further. Please. No spoilers.

Now that that's out of the way.

So Ryne is from the first. She's also part of the Trust. We know that the Trust is carrying over to Endwalker (hence the recommendation we level up our Trust NPC's before then).

We also know that we are getting Estinien as a Trust NPC in Endwalker.

So my question is, will Estinien be replacing Ryne in the Trust?

If not, how will they explain her presence in the Source for dungeons?

This question has been bugging me and the only thing that makes sense is that she won't be able to do any dungeons except Shadowbringers... unless Graha finds a way to bring her to the Source... but why would he? How would they bring Ryne to the Source?

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I never bothered leveling or doing the trust system as it seemed to take forever. do we really need to level them all up?

Ryne has no text lines in Matoya's Relictt or Paglth'an or special interactions with anything, so unless something gets done she's probably not officially there and only exists inside of replaying dungeons using trusts.

However, with spoilers for Eden questline included

With Gaia being revealed to actually be an Ascian, but with her deciding to side with us that could potentially open up some options.
With G'raha being given all his alternate version's memories, he would have the knowledge of the magics he used to summon people to the First and could probably work them to bring Ryne over to the Source, and with the help of an Ascian there would definitely be less of tearing peoples souls out.

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Originally Posted by AdamChattaway

I never bothered leveling or doing the trust system as it seemed to take forever. do we really need to level them all up?

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I'm fairly certain it will be the exact same system as in ShB. You can use them when they are relevant without issue. First everything you need to level them. I prefer that system, honestly. We don't need more incentives to not MMO.

I'd assume it's going to be just like Matoya's Relict and Paglth'an.

Scenario keeping with lore where only those available in the story can go, and Avatar as non-canon can do whatever.