RMT sellers moved to fellowship finder.

You need to update your ToS rright away, they are not advertising in the Partyfinder anymore but they are now using the fellowship finder for it.


https://i.imgur.com/hKZLpB5.jpg

This is happening on other data centers too. The same individuals make lots of them and flood the Fellowship Finder with them. It's already difficult to filter the meme ones and this is making it much harder to identify legitimate ones. I started to enable highlight for fellowships with 3+ members and this works to highlight all but these.

Not surprising but I ask, is anyone use the fellowship finder? Maybe just me never use it.

I'd still report it though.

Just report it. They said they would take action against people trying to disguise their listings.

i didnt even know there was a fellowship finder

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i didnt even know there was a fellowship finder

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^ This is what I have to say about this.

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Originally Posted by ryouma17

i didnt even know there was a fellowship finder

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LOL, same here. I'd never heard of it before today.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

You need to update your ToS rright away, they are not advertising in the Partyfinder anymore but they are now using the fellowship finder for it.

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I'd say try reporting them. Since they basically made all selling (well, advertising of selling) of mercenary services against it, it might well get enforced against these people. So, report, and see if they disappear in a week or two.

If not, then, at least they've been forced to a much more obscure medium, but hopefully in time that will be dealt with too...

You should remove the name from your screenshot.
But yes, I've seen similar ads in fellowship finder basically the day of the ToS change, and since then I've reported a bunch. Not sure if GMs are sleeping on Fellowships or something because the action against them is a lot slower than what was in PF.

Wow, you're right. I just checked and it's full of boosting ads right on the first page. The rest of the pages are even worse. One guy even has 5 fellowships up right now which are all just boosting ads with identical descriptions.

Yeah I've been reporting them on Crystal when I see them. It's roughly the same three individuals flooding the FF.

It's almost sad.

I'm concerned that it's going legit take several months before they actually do something about this again.

The pace at which information gets relayed to the head developers seems painfully slow most of the time and it's presumably the media tour interviews that brought up the issue directly to Yoshi P that got action taken quickly.

Do people use the fellowship finder? I know I most certainly have never looked at it. Actually that isn't true. I did when it dropped then never after. I wouldn't worry much about it regardless. I guarantee you SE will remove them. Its not like you are dealing with Blizzard here. SE actually gets things done.

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Do people use the fellowship finder? I know I most certainly have never looked at it. Actually that isn't true. I did when it dropped then never after. I wouldn't worry much about it regardless. I guarantee you SE will remove them. Its not like you are dealing with Blizzard here. SE actually gets things done.

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Yes, people use the fellowship finder. It's not uncommon for your fellowship to fill up with 1,000 people. It's a great way to launch a new discord server and many people have done this through the fellowship finder.

I’m curious now where will they move to once they’ve been purged out of fellowship finder.

Imagine being that stubborn..

Are these actually real people with real accounts? It'd be stupid to risk a ban by doing that. Just report them so they never come back to this game.

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Originally Posted by Shin96

Are these actually real people with real accounts? It'd be stupid to risk a ban by doing that. Just report them so they never come back to this game.

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yes people? yes. real accounts? yes, its just not their accounts, when people fall for phishing attempts the gil sellers get your account info they log into your account change your pass then they create bots and use them to farm gil then when someone buys gil they use various accounts to send it, when square cracks down and bans the account they just move on to the next one


as for buying gil iam not sure why anyone is silly enough to do so, square tracks all the gil RMT make and soon as it lands in your account you get the ban hammer along side the RMT, the difference is the RMT can afford to buy accounts off retired players or use one of the many compromised accounts to continue their business, you get banned and they get real life money so its a win win for them

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Imagine being that stubborn..

Are these actually real people with real accounts? It'd be stupid to risk a ban by doing that. Just report them so they never come back to this game.

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gold farmers are eternal. they always have a million accounts, its like they can summon cd keys out of the void.

i think what actually happens is they keylogger and phish people. after they get an account they dispose of it as such with botting and ingame advertising until it gets banned. at least it used to work in wow that way.
so not only do you support sweatshop farming in china if you buy gils you supported your brothers losing their accounts.

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gold farmers are eternal. they always have a million accounts, its like they can summon cd keys out of the void.

i think what actually happens is they keylogger and phish people. after they get an account they dispose of it as such with botting and ingame advertising until it gets banned. at least it used to work in wow that way.
so not only do you support sweatshop farming in china if you buy gils you supported your brothers losing their accounts.

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They actually resort to fraudulent methods to purchase the accounts in the case of the mass-produced ARR gil farmers.

I've heard stories of some banks actually blocking transactions with Square Enix temporarily due to how many chargebacks the RMT companies were demanding, and while doing so ensures your account is going to get banned it doesn't matter when the bots in question are using hacks to speed through the MSQ and rake in hundreds of thousands before they're actually cracked down upon.

There's essentially "sustainable" bots that resort to methods of gil farming that seldom if ever are actually cracked down on, but require actual monetary investment (Or so I think...), and the "slash and burn" types that aren't meant for prolonged use and aim to farm as much gil as possible between ban waves. They seem to have largely moved to utilizing the former given that I never see literal hundreds of sprout-flagged bots these days and maybe just a couple dozen tops.

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I’m curious now where will they move to once they’ve been purged out of fellowship finder.

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It will end up in shout chat in the major cities, just like other RMT spam. That's one thing SE has a hard time controlling rapidly.

Today I learned there is a fellowship finder. I still don't know what it does.

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Today I learned there is a fellowship finder. I still don't know what it does.

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It finds you fellowships.

I mean, no one uses Fellowship Finder, so RMT is basically dead

Another win for Yoshi-P and his team woo \o/

Only thing left is to remove Fellowship Finder for flawless victory

Man they really are like roaches, you get rid of them in one spot and they just infest another.

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Originally Posted by _Pigzig

gold farmers are eternal. they always have a million accounts, its like they can summon cd keys out of the void.

i think what actually happens is they keylogger and phish people. after they get an account they dispose of it as such with botting and ingame advertising until it gets banned. at least it used to work in wow that way.
so not only do you support sweatshop farming in china if you buy gils you supported your brothers losing their accounts.

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The only thing worse than Gil sellers is Gil buyers. People wanna complain about RMT but someone is buying this crap and creating demand..

I saw one on Twitter advertising too.

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I saw one on Twitter advertising too.

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Unsurprising. RMTs will keep coming back to this game in one form or another so long as there's an audience for their business.

The only real solution is to ban the people that purchase RMT runs, which should be very easy to do. Just go down the list of accounts with "Legend" titles and for each of them check total amount of time spent on the respective Ultimate. Anyone with a title and less than 50 hours on that particular Ultimate is a RMT purchase. IP ban and blacklist their credit card so they can't resub to the game without having to request/get another one. Make it as hard as possible to get around and come back and people will stop purchasing RMT runs and the RMT sellers will just move to another game.

Currently at least 13 in it now. Some claim it's not RMT but is named "SELLING MOUNT CARRIES". Oh boy...

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The only thing worse than Gil sellers is Gil buyers. People wanna complain about RMT but someone is buying this crap and creating demand..

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sad, also applies to a lot of things in society. people will buy slave labor and unsustainable environment stuff because its 10c cheaper

RMT, the MMO equivalent of a turd that won't flush.

Honestly, even if they do completely purge the presence of RMT ads from the game itself, it doesn't change the fact that their hundreds of farm bots basically own the economy.

They need to start cutting them off at every juncture if they want to have any significant impact.

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Currently at least 13 in it now. Some claim it's not RMT but is named "SELLING MOUNT CARRIES". Oh boy...

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Isn't that still bannable? I think one of the examples say something like you not allow to advertise about sell or something.

On Chaos about 90 % of the fellowship finder is now filled with these sellers. SE needs to stop this too.

https://i.imgur.com/lacP1Sa.png

https://i.imgur.com/4W332Bp.png

Might as well get rid off Fellowship Finder altogether.. it seems pretty useless to me.

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Might as well get rid off Fellowship Finder altogether.. it seems pretty useless to me.

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While the idea of it was interesting, it wasn't really promoted beyond the announcement that it would be a thing that exists. Now it's just... a mess and better they flood something we never use or look at than PF.

I forgot this was a feature lmao rip

Well time to wait for the next media tour when someone asks yoshi-p to do something about rmt listings in fellowship finder because nothing will happen until then.

Posting to keep giving this visibility. This should be fixed right away.

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I mean, no one uses Fellowship Finder, so RMT is basically dead

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It doesnt matter WHERE they advertise, any RMT advertisement in the game shines a bad light onto it and must be removed.

What's ridiculous is this doesn't need to take months to investigate.

A GM just simply needs to open it up, find offenders, and place them in Gaol.

It's literally happening in real time, scene of the crime sh!t.

Just opened up Behemoth (Primal) finder to see 12 active advertisements.