Renaming Final Fantasy XIV to Final Fantasy Online

Hi fellas

Just curious if is a good idea that they change this or future Final Fantasy MMORPG to something more simple and not numeric, like "Final Fantasy Online", i think that way, the game is more a plataform service of the brand and can be updated and prolonged without changing drasticly the name, like FFXI to FFXIV, is more condensed in my opinion... what do you think about it?

I really have no issues with how they decide to name their games.

I mean when your Final Fantasy Online reached the end of its life (and all mmo's do) is it your proposal to name it Final Fantasy Online 2? In which case, how exactly is that different than their current naming convention?

Bad idea, FFXI is also online. A future new FF MMO might be also online. So why calling this one here or a future one online? Makes no sense to me and the numbers are something of a trademark of FF so it's something people recognize and know.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

I really have no issues with how they decide to name their games.

I mean when your Final Fantasy Online reached the end of its life (and all mmo's do) is it your proposal to name it Final Fantasy Online 2? In which case, how exactly is that different than their current naming convention?

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Is because is in another category from the offline numeric games... i think this kind aof game that can serve as tematic for others Final Fantasy Games must be considered as a branch for the main brand, have diferent style of game (MMORPG vs Offline single player game) and in the future could be helped.... but is just a curios thought that through my mind...

FFXI and FFXIV are two different games running concurrently, though. So it'd be weird to have FFXI, an online game, and Final Fantasy Online, and then whenever they make their next MMO (XVII or XVIII or whenever) it'll be weird to have three online games, but only one called FF Online.

As for making a separate platform or launcher for their online titles, a la Battle.net, I'd be okay with it if they did it well. Playonline is awful, and the Mogstation is barely better. It would be nice to have all the online SE titles in one easy-to-use launcher but I just have my doubts that SE can pull it off.

"Online" is used in advertising a lot.

FF11 is actually still running, so it would be a problem to call FF14 that.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Bad idea, FFXI is also online. A future new FF MMO might be also be online. So why calling this one here online?

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yeah, but is a numeric game with online attached, in the future i think they could use just the brand "FINAL FANTASY ONLINE" and if in the future they want to change to another engine or another mmorpg then call it Final Fantasy Online 2 , the point is, and this is just a silly thought, they could separate the Online Game from the Single/offline game, for future references...

https://www.siliconera.com/new-ffxi-...antasy-online/

The long and short of it is that they didn't want it to be seen as a spin off.

Calling it 14 honestly is what kept me away from FF14 for so many years. Giving it a numbers make me assume that they will give up on this MMO someday. My guess is Eastern developers will never understand why Western players feel this way.

Final Fantasy Online makes a massive amount of sense to me because it makes me assume that we might get graphical engine updates someday or actual UI updates someday.

Calling it 14 leads me to assumption this MMO is basically stuck in time and never really changing that much from the original formula which is very successful to be fair.

If it is name that way. It would be Final Fantasy Online 2. You want people looking for FF online and finding 11? And then what rename 12, 13, and 15? This ship sailed almost two decades ago, you are a little late.

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Originally Posted by Puremallace

Calling it 14 honestly is what kept me away from FF14 for so many years. Giving it a numbers make me assume that they will give up on this MMO someday. My guess is Eastern developers will never understand why Western players feel this way.

Final Fantasy Online makes a massive amount of sense to me because it makes me assume that we might get graphical engine updates someday or actual UI updates someday.

Calling it 14 leads me to assumption this MMO is basically stuck in time and never really changing that much from the original formula which is very successful to be fair.

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I mean it's not their fault that some people have western MMORPG ptsd. Or that some people can't use their brain for a quick research.

FFXI came out in 2002 and still gets updates and many people play it lol. If you take 2 seconds to google some facts you would see that SE never really abandoned their MMOs, even XIV they rescued instead of just letting it rot but yeah i guess some abandonment fear issues can't be helped.

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Originally Posted by Jotaku

Renaming Final Fantasy XIV to Final Fantasy Online

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

If it is name that way. It would be Final Fantasy Online 2. You want people looking for FF online and finding 11? And then what rename 12, 13, and 15? This ship sailed almost two decades ago, you are a little late.

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They could apply the New brand of "Final Fantasy Online" in the next MMORPG after XIV, the thing is diferenciate the two models of this franchise

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Originally Posted by Jotaku

They could apply the New brand of "Final Fantasy Online" in the next MMORPG after XIV, the thing is diferenciate the two models of this franchise

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But it is differentiated. It's "Final Fantasy XI online" and "finally fantasy XIV online"

They are still mainline final fantasy games, not spinoffs.

We literally had the same discussion when XI came out in the west like 15 years or so ago.

Please stop this stupidity. Final Fantasy has never been and never will be just one thing. This is a beaten battered and dead horse at this point. And it's pretty much useless to even entertain this idea. FFXI and FFXIV deserve their titles. They have always deserved their titles. And always will have their titles. End of story. FFXI was the brain child of Hironobu Sakaguchi and was his final contribution to the Final Fantasy series before he even left the company. The company was even still called Square Soft when FFXI was in developement....... Final Fantasy purists are kinda pathetic imho and kinda cringe :x
(I will acknowledge that OP wasn't being a FF purists when they proposed the idea and I understand their reasoning behind it but it's still dumb imho...) Please just don't.

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Originally Posted by Jotaku

Renaming FFXIV

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And what, you won't be able to sleep if the name of a game doesn't suit you? Obsessive-compulsive disorder?

Personal opinion: Final Fantasy XI should have been Final Fantasy Online, Final Fantasy XIV should have been Final Fantasy Online II. Final Fantasy Tactics is un numbered, and it one of the more heavily respected iterations of the franchise, so the idea that it'd "just be a spin off" is bothersome.

However, since they have done it the way they have, the FF XI should stay FF XI and FF XIV should stay FF XIV. Can you imagine if they changed the names now? Either XI and XIV cease to exist, or suddenly XI has weird seagull laughing and Blitzball, and FF XIII would be about bros pushing their car or something. They've done what they've done so they can do naught but stay the course.

If FFXI and XIV were just called FF Online and FF Online II, the giant undertaking that was ARR's relaunch would never happen. They would just dismiss it as a failed spin-off and move on.

I say, at the moment, XIV is bringing more eyes to the franchise than any other game. A MMO. Not a singel player game. People would laugh at you if you even suggested the notion of it, say, 10 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Puremallace

Calling it 14 honestly is what kept me away from FF14 for so many years. Giving it a numbers make me assume that they will give up on this MMO someday. My guess is Eastern developers will never understand why Western players feel this way.

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Western players have no basis to feel this way though. In your mind, the number may mean something like what you've described, but MMOs have no history to encourage that feeling. Rather, history tends to the opposite, as there are a number of Western MMOs without a number that have been retired.

There is EverQuest and EverQuest 2, both running concurrently. There is Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2, with both of them also running. There is FFXI and FFXIV, FFXI being launched nearly 20 years ago but still getting attention from dedicated players.

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For the OP, both FFXI and FFXIV use the term 'Online' on their websites, so we're good.

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Originally Posted by Naoki34

And what, you won't be able to sleep if the name of a game doesn't suit you? Obsessive-compulsive disorder?

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Watch out if you go too low you might end up as one of us Lalafell and i bet you really don't want that. It's hard to see anything between all these forests of legs.

Funfact, you can think about things (and OP even said they just wonder) without wanting to enforce these ideas in a instant, even if these ideas turn out bad. You don't have to beat people just cause they use their brain a bit.

Lul when FF11 was a numbered title, people complained an online game was more like a spinoff and not worthy of a numbers greatness.
How times changed, all the recent single player ones were bad(Though I expect some fanboys will debate this)

As others have said both FF11 and FF14 have Online already in their name, and have more than earned their place in the numbered Final Fantasy series rather than being regulated to spin offs. Especially since spin offs are such a mixed bag. Tactics was great, but who remembers Crystal Chronicles? If they were to lose their numbered status then at the very least FF13 should, because FF11 and FF14 deserve their numbers far more than that hot mess does. Good old FF13, aka FF Oops, FF Oops-2 Almost Redemption, and FF Oops-3 Dead Horse.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

We literally had the same discussion when XI came out in the west like 15 years or so ago.

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Almost 20 at this point lol but yeah for reals this thread gave me deja vu! These games deserve their numbered status as they are full fledged FF stories and that's what gets them the attention they do. Tactics and the like are rightfully lauded but even XIII has outsold it, and that could be because they are viewed as spin-offs by casual fans.

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Originally Posted by Vrankyl

...but who remembers Crystal Chronicles?

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I do, I loved playing that with my buddy! Didn't have the whole squad setup but with two players it was pretty fun though the story was a painfully slow burn. But yeah... point taken.

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Originally Posted by Vrankyl

As others have said both FF11 and FF14 have Online already in their name, and have more than earned their place in the numbered Final Fantasy series rather than being regulated to spin offs. Especially since spin offs are such a mixed bag. Tactics was great, but who remembers Crystal Chronicles? If they were to lose their numbered status then at the very least FF13 should, because FF11 and FF14 deserve their numbers far more than that hot mess does. Good old FF13, aka FF Oops, FF Oops-2 Almost Redemption, and FF Oops-3 Dead Horse.

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This is why I dislike treating the numbered games as a matter of prestige. Like, Should we pick a number of the spin offs and give them the numbers of the games that we don't like?

The numbers, to me, meant that it was a single player traditional Japanese RPG. Not that it was going to be a good game, but rather that it was going to be a particular sort of game. Clearly Square decided differently and made FF XI, and have drifted further from traditional JRPG styling as time went on, and I've accepted that. But as noted, spin offs don't need to be bad, and mainline games don't need to be good. But then what does separate a numbered entry from a spin off (Obviously the answer is which development teams they put on them, but then the question becomes how do they decide that.)

Edit: sorry missed your post while typing mine.

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

Almost 20 at this point lol but yeah for reals this thread gave me deja vu! These games deserve their numbered status as they are full fledged FF stories and that's what gets them the attention they do. Tactics and the like are rightfully lauded but even XIII has outsold it, and that could be because they are viewed as spin-offs by casual fans.

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The reason Tactics has been outsold by XIII is less to do with it's status as a spin off and more to do with age. Compare most older games to newer ones and the newer one will win in sales.

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Originally Posted by Puremallace

Calling it 14 honestly is what kept me away from FF14 for so many years. Giving it a numbers make me assume that they will give up on this MMO someday. My guess is Eastern developers will never understand why Western players feel this way.

Final Fantasy Online makes a massive amount of sense to me because it makes me assume that we might get graphical engine updates someday or actual UI updates someday.

Calling it 14 leads me to assumption this MMO is basically stuck in time and never really changing that much from the original formula which is very successful to be fair.

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Im in the usa and i dont feel that way...

Beside look at WoW it has no number and they gave up on giving a damn about it..

I guess it cuz westerns tend to be idiotic with linking things togeather and assuming..

To be honest as someone in the Usa, if "westerns get a feel because of a number" its basically going against what your taught from age 5 dont assume at all learn to read into it.

Hints why the majority of "western" are dumb lol

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Originally Posted by Puremallace

Calling it 14 honestly is what kept me away from FF14 for so many years. Giving it a numbers make me assume that they will give up on this MMO someday. My guess is Eastern developers will never understand why Western players feel this way.

Final Fantasy Online makes a massive amount of sense to me because it makes me assume that we might get graphical engine updates someday or actual UI updates someday.

Calling it 14 leads me to assumption this MMO is basically stuck in time and never really changing that much from the original formula which is very successful to be fair.

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But the opposite is true. Square wants to keep every numbered FF title available in some sort. So FF14 will basically stay forever. Or at least as long as Sqaure as a company exists.

This is also the reason why the game got it's relaunch after the failure of 1.0. They could not just shut it down and move on. There would be forever a gap in the numbered titles. The damage for the Final Fantasy brand was huge. People in 50 years would look at the games and ask where the number 14 was and remember that even a Final Fantasy game can objectively be bad.

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Originally Posted by ChazNatlo

This is why I dislike treating the numbered games as a matter of prestige. Like, Should we pick a number of the spin offs and give them the numbers of the games that we don't like?

The numbers, to me, meant that it was a single player traditional Japanese RPG. Not that it was going to be a good game, but rather that it was going to be a particular sort of game. Clearly Square decided differently and made FF XI, and have drifted further from traditional JRPG styling as time went on, and I've accepted that. But as noted, spin offs don't need to be bad, and mainline games don't need to be good. But then what does separate a numbered entry from a spin off (Obviously the answer is which development teams they put on them, but then the question becomes how do they decide that.)

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I do agree that the reasoning behind the numbered and spin offs is a bit odd as it truly is not an indicator of being good or not. Nor does there really seem to be a theme for spin offs. The only ones I really think deserve spin off status is like Final Fantasy Dissidia since it actually takes the characters from the main games themselves and does something with them. Tactics should definitely have been considered a numbered game. Even Chrystal Chronicles could make an argument for numbered status.

OP probably never played Final Fantasy XI Online. It's it's own universe and story.

There will be another Final Fantasy Number Online some day. Even though YoshiP wants to keep on with XIV for longer, it's just par for the course.

Sakaguchi (FF creator) and Hiromiki Tanaka (lead Dev for FFIII, FFXI and XIV 1.0) fought with upper management back in the Squaresoft days about XI's branding, they convinced the company to give XI it's mainline entry status, something that was then considered a given when XIV entered Development. ARR literally would not have happened (because the fact it was a numbered FF meant it's failure was non-negotiable it had to succeed by any means which eventually led to almost the entirety of SE's game Dev output be all hands on deck to help with the ARR rebuild.) had Sakaguchi and Tanaka not fought and won their argument for why the MMOs are worthy of their numbered entry designation. And it always irks me that FFXI has had to tank constant conversations of "the MMO FF(s) doesn't/don't count" for nearly 20 years now when the Father of FF that people look up to has been clear about this matter since FFXI was in development.

Final Fantasy XIV is true to the normal spirit of the numbered Final Fantasy games. It's an RPG in speculative fiction. It makes sense to treat it as a completely normal Final Fantasy game and give it a number.

If anything they should rename the post-PS2 FF into something else since ever since then the only good FFs to come out were the online ones.

I don't see any reason to change it. I've never played any other ff game and I'm not at all invested in ff as a franchise, so the number never really mattered much to me. Kind of a why fix what isn't broken thing imo like... It's known for what it is. Changing it benefits no one and leaves a weird gap between 13 and 15, probably. Or something. Future games idk, I guess I don't see why it matters all that much unless they wanna stop after they hit a hundred or something lmao