New class idea!

I think it would be a nice addition if we got another class that works kind of like Blue Mage does, where the class is just obviously very powerful and wouldn't be useable in basic content in the same sense Blue Mage is. It would be called Beastmaster and its' main-hand weapon would be a crossbow. The entire gimmick behind this class would be the ability to "tame" beasts that are of comparable LVl to the player and each beast would have its own unique set of skills that would aid you in battle from normal dps moves to buffs with maybe some heals thrown here or there. It would sort of be like a higher variety Summoner. What do you all think?

I just wish for a 4th DPS ranged real Gun class that specializes in modern firepower, Gatling guns, pistols or rifles, Missiles you know the basic scifi setting.

Brace yourselves, the anti-Limited Job crowd are gonna be all over this like flies on dung in a minute.

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Originally Posted by Drakokin

It would be called Beastmaster and its' main-hand weapon would be a crossbow.

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Bozja already has Beastmaster enemies. Assuming we take them as the standard, XIV's version would be melee-focused and wield one-handed axes and shields.
Pity really, some of us were hoping to see whips represented.

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Originally Posted by Drakokin

I think it would be a nice addition if we got another class that works kind of like Blue Mage does, where the class is just obviously very powerful and wouldn't be useable in basic content in the same sense Blue Mage is. It would be called Beastmaster and its' main-hand weapon would be a crossbow. The entire gimmick behind this class would be the ability to "tame" beasts that are of comparable LVl to the player and each beast would have its own unique set of skills that would aid you in battle from normal dps moves to buffs with maybe some heals thrown here or there. It would sort of be like a higher variety Summoner. What do you all think?

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Depending on how the "taming" mechanics work this could be pretty fun~

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

Brace yourselves, the anti-Limited Job crowd are gonna be all over this like flies on dung in a minute.



Bozja already has Beastmaster enemies. Assuming we take them as the standard, XIV's version would be melee-focused and wield one-handed axes and shields.
Pity really, some of us were hoping to see whips represented.

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:/ idk....

Ok the next time someone suggest a job I wanna see a spread sheet, if you can’t make it work with at least 20 skills, it’s too shallow of a concept. Hate hearing “NEW JOB” and then just explaining it in a sentence or two

Tbh just sounds like you want BLU to be in leveling content rather than a new job concept

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Originally Posted by Jirah

Ok the next time someone suggest a job I wanna see a spread sheet, if you can’t make it work with at least 20 skills, it’s too shallow of a concept. Hate hearing “NEW JOB” and then just explaining it in a sentence or two

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IDK man it's near to hear people's ideas regardless of if they bring "a spreadsheet" or even a fully formed idea.
It's fun to hash things out and that's a lot of what the community here does.

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Originally Posted by Drakokin

I think it would be a nice addition if we got another class that works kind of like Blue Mage does, where the class is just obviously very powerful and wouldn't be useable in basic content in the same sense Blue Mage is. It would be called Beastmaster and its' main-hand weapon would be a crossbow. The entire gimmick behind this class would be the ability to "tame" beasts that are of comparable LVl to the player and each beast would have its own unique set of skills that would aid you in battle from normal dps moves to buffs with maybe some heals thrown here or there. It would sort of be like a higher variety Summoner. What do you all think?

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I am not opposed to a "hunter" type class like Beastmaster as long as I can level it normally. I will absolutely not throw my support behind another limited job, however.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

IDK man it's near to hear people's ideas regardless of if they bring "a spreadsheet" or even a fully formed idea.
It's fun to hash things out and that's a lot of what the community here does.

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Well cuz most Job concepts are too shallow to really branch out hence why a collective set of skills and mechanics, people say “gunner plz” then get lost in thot coming up with 7 skills

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Originally Posted by Jirah

Well cuz most Job concepts are too shallow to really branch out hence why a collective set of skills and mechanics, people say “gunner plz” then get lost in thot coming up with 7 skills

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Maybe, but demanding "20 skills in a spreadsheet or don't don't bother" is a but much...

While some job ideas are rather bare bones, people should feel welcome to bring less than a fully concepted out kit to us.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Maybe, but demanding "20 skills in a spreadsheet or don't don't bother" is a but much...

While some job ideas are rather bare bones, people should feel welcome to bring less than a fully concepted out kit to us.

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That's the whole reason we have Bard and Machinist though. Archer and 'Gunner' are not enough of an identity on their own to flesh out an entire job. This isn't a single player JRPG where you form a party of separate components, you have one character, one job, to use to tick all the boxes of a complete gameplay experience. This is why WHM does more than just cast Curaga and Holy, and while BLM does more than a single nuke spell in six different elemental alignments.

There's a difference between coming up with a partially formed idea, and coming up with an idea for a partially formed job. There's coming up with a new job identity that you haven't completely thought out, and then there's recycling a small part of an existing job that we already know won't be enough to make up a full job on it's own.

While this topic might not be that, 'Gunner' certainly is.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

There's a difference between coming up with a partially formed idea, and coming up with an idea for a partially formed job. There's coming up with a new job identity that you haven't completely thought out, and then there's recycling a small part of an existing job that we already know won't be enough to make up a full job on it's own.

While this topic might not be that, 'Gunner' certainly is.

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I agree.

Though

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Originally Posted by Jirah

I wanna see a spread sheet, if you can’t make it work with at least 20 skills, it’s too shallow of a concept.

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is a bit extreme an ask.

Don't get me wrong, the more people flesh out their ideas before making a thread for it the better. But less than a spreadsheet of 20+ skills is OK too.


Especially since a lot of the existing jobs concepts can be described in just a few sentences.
For example:
"NIN has buttons for some hand symbols and you mix and match Naruto style to make different Ninja moves. It can also apply a big debuff which is when they dump their damage and burst assassinate someone down."

I'll agree that "just putting out a sentence about a job and asking 'what do you think'" is too broad and minimalistic to really give an impression on why anyone would support it.
Threads that open in such manner are purely focused on the job's aesthetic, rather than on the gameplay mechanics that make it distinctive from playing other jobs.

Because at the end of the day, this is a game. If you want a job that plays just like another one but just looks different, you're just as well off looking on youtube for some "cosmetic updates" for spells. And if you "don't care how" it plays and just want to see it implemented, you don't get to be disappointed when it's implemented in a manner that wasn't anything like you were expecting.

For instance: the Chemist crowd of previous expansions. "How about a job that mixes potions and throws them to players? Non-magic healers rise up!!!"
With nothing concrete to sell their concept, there was no point trying to argue for or against the job. They wanted a potion healer, they didn't care if it would actually be fun to play, much less if it would be mechanically plausible to implement. For all they gave, it could have been an exact clone of NIN, but with healing potencies.
Likewise, the Time Mage Healer crowd -- they'd name a few abilities from FF games, but ignore that some of those share names or high resemblances with AST skills (especially now that it's a Regen-focused healer with additional "delayed trigger healing" effects), or would otherwise be extremely OP in the hands of any job in their "most faithful" adaptations (such as Haste, Reflect, or any %-health skills).

So while I disagree about needing a spreadsheet written out for every half-formed job concept because, well, that's a lot of work for something that might never be implemented... having even a basic idea of a unique gameplay loop, including a few key sample skills, can go a long way to drawing any popular support for a job.

Tbh all you really need for a job concept should be;role, gimmick and weapons. Since armor and basic kit is pretty much the same throughout the game. "Is it a melee job?" It'll probably have; a combo, an aoe combo, some ranged ability for downtime, a personal buff, some small defensive buff and all that stuff combined is half the kit of just core gameplay not to mention getting all the cross role skills so already this non-descript job has a lot of actions, probably around 15-20, just in a kit where its only difference to another job is animations.