Tornado or Quake?

So since WHM get access to air and earth spells do you think we will get access to Tornado or Quake spells?

Maybe they could deal damage to the enemy and give party members a buff? Tornado could dispel any debuffs from party members and buffs from enemies and maybe Quake can increase party defense and lower enemy evasion?

What do you guys think? Are there any interesting spells you think WHM might get in the future?

I want auto-raise *o*
You know, this spell you cast on some partymember so when he is killed he gets revived instantly.

Banishiga! Sorry I liked screaming that every time I cast the spell>.>

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Originally Posted by Atoli

I want auto-raise *o*
You know, this spell you cast on some partymember so when he is killed he gets revived instantly.

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Yes please!

If I had to make a guess, a new job for CNJ would get Tornado or quake. Something like a scholar that is a hybrid healer/nuker already. Giving a CNJ a more DD role option. Would make more sense to keep giving the WHM support spells, like reraise, insta cast cure, or reflect.

This is just a wild guess though.

Reflect could be quite cool!

If you get Tornado and Quake on white mage, that's bullshit.

Should make Tornado and Quake Conjurer exclusive if they do ever release the spells.

If SE is going with Cjn/whm having spells like Aero, earth, and water from FFs. What final fantasy ever had Ancient Magic spells on white mage, besides Holy?

It would be a bit out of place to have them on BLM though

don't forget float , reflect , elemental resistance , zombie <<< dmg mob with healing spells :P , fear , turn undead ,paralyze.
Haste(ga) , slow , etc etc.

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Originally Posted by Deifact

It would be a bit out of place to have them on BLM though

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Cj/Whm having any elemental spell is out of place. The current story line doesn't explain the split at all. It's half-assed and needs to be redone so that Black Exclusively gets all elemental spells and ancient magic spells.

Thaumaturge and Conjurer can keep their spells now, but Black mage should have all of it, and spells redone so they combo with Int modifier. Problem solved, but no one likes the easy path... and it sickens me.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Cj/Whm having any elemental spell is out of place. The current story line doesn't explain the split at all. It's half-assed and needs to be redone so that Black Exclusively gets all elemental spells and ancient magic spells.

Thaumaturge and Conjurer can keep their spells now, but Black mage should have all of it, and spells redone so they combo with Int modifier. Problem solved, but no one likes the easy path... and it sickens me.

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I think lore in relation to cnj and thm are going to be redone in 2.0

I like the way things are going tbh, it seems SE are going back to earlier games where blm used thunder, fire and ice magic. Air, earth and water fit in very well with cnj too, but thats why if tornado and quake were implemented I would suggest them focusing on buffs/debuffs opposed to damage so as not to upset blm.

Jesus give it a rest Jinrya. Natural elements are perfect for conjurer.

Regarding Quake and Tornado, I agree that I would like them to be more about special effects. Probably some more defensive debuffs or new effects, like Tornado lifting an enemy into the air and temporarily preventing ground-based/physical-based moves. Of course it would have a long recast if it was powerful.

Yeah we definatley need reraise to cast on ourselves and other PT member for PVP. Another thing is like a 5 sec invincible skill for whm for PVP =D whm always the first to go down..and first one targeted ; ;

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

Yeah we definatley need reraise to cast on ourselves and other PT member for PVP. Another thing is like a 5 sec invincible skill for whm for PVP =D whm always the first to go down..and first one targeted ; ;

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Invis would be a great spell, I kind of miss sneak/invis/deodorize from ffxi (the third just for fun!) but I haven't really found myself in any situations where I've needed them desperately. Maybe in the future though?

Reraise would also be awesome too! so many times it would come in useful!

Could Float be possible? If jumping is possibly going to implemented, it could be like an extended jump, could be useful for avoiding certain ground based attacks?

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Jesus give it a rest Jinrya. Natural elements are perfect for conjurer.

Regarding Quake and Tornado, I agree that I would like them to be more about special effects. Probably some more defensive debuffs or new effects, like Tornado lifting an enemy into the air and temporarily preventing ground-based/physical-based moves. Of course it would have a long recast if it was powerful.

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I will never. Seriously. I am not gonna let up till Spells are redone so that Black mage has every elemental spells and Ancient magic spells work properly and not for dumb useless enfeebles.

Make the Ancient spells Tornado and quake debuffs... have you not notice notice how terrible debuffs are with this new system?

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Devout

Tornado as white magic. Stop your retarded crusade please mr. mage.

Anyway it'd be cool if Tornado was a high level conjurer spell if/when the level cap is raised. It could be a cool crowd control/damage hybrid possibly like Estellios suggested. Of course there's still Aeroga/Stonega but the blizzard spell skipped a line so why not this one? WHMs already do a lot of nuking in parties if things are going well so it'd be cool to see them get some growth in that department.

edit: or, hell, why not a Devout job? Tornado, Aeroga, Stonega, Quake, Reflect. Go!

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Devout

Tornado as white magic. Stop your retarded crusade please mr. mage.

Anyway it'd be cool if Tornado was a high level conjurer spell if/when the level cap is raised. It could be a cool crowd control/damage hybrid possibly like Estellios suggested. Of course there's still Aeroga/Stonega but the blizzard spell skipped a line so why not this one? WHMs already do a lot of nuking in parties if things are going well so it'd be cool to see them get some growth in that department.

edit: or, hell, why not a Devout job? Tornado, Aeroga, Stonega, Quake, Reflect. Go!

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Heh I think Jinrya wants this to be ffxi-2, and I was actually sceptical at first myself, but i think splitting the elements works.

Plus aren't the blm elements considered "dark" elements in ffxi, and the whm elements are "light" in ffxi? So really it still makes sense.

Devout job would be awesome, I'd love to see them as a sort of shaman or geomancer though, summoning huge earthquakes, tornados and storms, while summoning protective barriers for party members and aoe healing.

It'd be op, but awesome

Actually THM doesn't have all the Umbral elements, more like 2/3rds of them.. What was it... It's either Lightning or Ice that's actually an Astral element.
I remember a friend of mine told me an easy way to recognize which ones were Astral and which were Umbral. The Astral ones could be put into a bottle and the Umbral ones couldn't (so it'd be... Water, Earth and Ice that are Astral and Wind, Lightning and Fire that are Umbral)

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Originally Posted by Skies

Actually THM doesn't have all the Umbral elements, more like 2/3rds of them.. What was it... It's either Lightning or Ice that's actually an Astral element.
I remember a friend of mine told me an easy way to recognize which ones were Astral and which were Umbral. The Astral ones could be put into a bottle and the Umbral ones couldn't (so it'd be... Water, Earth and Ice that are Astral and Wind, Lightning and Fire that are Umbral)

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You switched astral and umbral there.
Wind, Lightning, and Fire are Astral.
Water, Earth, and Ice are Umbral.

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Originally Posted by Sol_Aureus

You switched astral and umbral there.
Wind, Lightning, and Fire are Astral.
Water, Earth, and Ice are Umbral.

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Aha, thank you. I knew I had the 'put in a bottle' thing right but I couldn't remember for the life of me which were Astral and Umbral :D
Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

Yeah we definatley need reraise to cast on ourselves and other PT member for PVP. Another thing is like a 5 sec invincible skill for whm for PVP =D whm always the first to go down..and first one targeted ; ;

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We're supposed to get more instant-cast and general use debuff spells on mages sometime around 2.0 when we get PvP so I'm expecting stuff that Yoshi-P mentioned like Bind/Charm etc. Reraise would make non-PVP fights too easy, especially if we could cast it on others, and I don't think its a good idea to give one ability to PVP that you won't get outside of it or vice versa.

@Brannigan: I'm kinda hoping that CNJ splits off to a nuking class similar to Elementalist from the Tactics Advance games, nukes coupled with utility debuffs. It would also be nice if we could reverse-combo Aerora > Aero for example to make Aero and its DoT effect or Stone's Magic Evasion down AoE.

I'd rather have a stacking set of DoT spells.

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Devout

Tornado as white magic. Stop your retarded crusade please mr. mage.

Anyway it'd be cool if Tornado was a high level conjurer spell if/when the level cap is raised. It could be a cool crowd control/damage hybrid possibly like Estellios suggested. Of course there's still Aeroga/Stonega but the blizzard spell skipped a line so why not this one? WHMs already do a lot of nuking in parties if things are going well so it'd be cool to see them get some growth in that department.

edit: or, hell, why not a Devout job? Tornado, Aeroga, Stonega, Quake, Reflect. Go!

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A shaman makes more sense to have tornado than white mage itself. It's description says it's also known as Shaman. What we are talking about Conjurer/White mage, not shamans.

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Originally Posted by Deifact

Heh I think Jinrya wants this to be ffxi-2, and I was actually sceptical at first myself, but i think splitting the elements works.

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Also I hated FFXI, I could careless for a XI-2. I want variety with one job I like playing as not always resorting to lightning, and sometimes fire.