In white mages complete history never been better then "ast" as far as savage raiding is concerned. in 6.0 healer metas changes drastically in end walker. as far as pure healing is concerned. new utility white mage is getting rivals ast cards
Welcome the John Wick of healing its about time. you know what happens when you kill john wicks dog
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this has alot to do with tanking cause its based on how well each healer can handle a massive pull verse the others. a good healer makes a good tank. wall to wall pulling watch i love doing on my tanks. what type of healer I like to see when I doing roulettes and dailies or 8 man content even in shadow bringers when get unluckiness having a scholar in pugs im like crap feels like unlucky roll for me 8/10 is gonna be bad or very slow run for me. cause they can't adjust they cannot handle the amount of abuse that im fixing to endure by pulling non-stop no pause in-between
as a tank you should feel hyped about white mage too. cause when get one in your party they are great healer its like best gaming experience ever. finish any four-man run less 3 mins. make you look like complete chad at tanking
Hype about white mage and you should be
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09-30-2021, 07:54 PMVictoriaLuvHype about white mage and you should be
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09-30-2021, 08:02 PMKDSilver
Okay Victoria.
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09-30-2021, 08:59 PMIckeDerTyp
Uhm. Raids should be part of your equation too, no?
I mean, in the end any tank can wall to wall and any healer is able to properly heal em doing it!
I think, it's gonna be more about personal preference than it has ever been.
Good or bad, is up to our own interpretation isn't it? :D -
10-01-2021, 01:57 AMVictoriaLuvraids are apart of equation simply do to how raids function only 11% of the game and its about mechanics, learning mechanics and doing them well. before maintaining high parse and mid-maxing - has nothing to do with character balance - unless your talkin about raid utility. what am talkin about as complete and total feel of a healer. how it functions in levelling 1-80 road to it whole complete package not just one aspect of the game. questing exploring player made events. seasonal event actual feel of the gameplay - you have enjoy what you do. enjoy the feel of it. you raiders have one-sighted vision when comes to class balance. I don't care if scholar is only good in raids and sucks pretty much everywhere else. this isn't just a playstyle problem or your just bad at the job. its a class problem. if there healer problem then there also a tank problem. cause good healer effects how good a tank can tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by IckeDerTyp
why is white mage superior to "ast" cause now we have a button has same defensive prosperities is targetable has "2-charges" rampart now as a take player who does savage content. watch do think is better 3-5% damage increase from "ast" card. or 2 more 18s 30% defensive cooldowns + 500 potency shield attached to it . plus white mage wings making total 40% damage reduction and this stacks with tanking cooldowns -
so if whm - pops this uses there wings and you use sentinal other healer being a scholar/sage adds another 10% damage reduction on thats 100% you dont take damage. this is recklessly strong this what end walkers gonna be like -
10-01-2021, 03:35 AMLyth
Lucio will always be the meta pick over Mercy. But why is this in the tank forum?
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10-01-2021, 03:46 AMArianeEwah
Because Lucio can outheal Bastion with Winston, but Mercy can't do that with Reinhardt. Or something like that, I don't play Hearthstone.
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10-01-2021, 04:33 AMWhyAmIHereWHM has Holy. SGE's AoE is unknown if it stuns afaik.Quote:
Originally Posted by VictoriaLuv
therefore you're wrong.
also sometimes dungeon DRK tanking with a WHM is a trip. I can pop TBN as soon as the pack burn begins. WHM I just FoS cuz stun.
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10-01-2021, 06:33 AMRopeDrinkBecause they're going around posting speculative "but facts" threads in multiple sections. In one quick browse of all three role sections, I see claims of knowing exactly how WHM will work in Endwalker (implying inside information), some trite about Yoshi-P deciding to constantly nerf Bard because apparently, some Bard in the past harassed him in-game, and now more WHM-pushing in the Tank section for seemingly no reason at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyth
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10-01-2021, 06:58 AMUltanikuWas going to post my confusion but now seeing this and going into the various roles threads I saw for myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by RopeDrink
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10-01-2021, 07:48 AMKabooa
Ma'am.
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10-01-2021, 08:16 AMOdinelStarreiI'm sorry, I've read a few of the posts by this individual, but does this particular segment stick out to anyone else? When you say 100% you don't take damage, are you referring to the actual damage mitigated, or is it a generic, nebulous way of saying, "I am very tanky."? I sure hope it isn't the former, because that would make no sense at all. Like, 30% + 20% + 10% + 10% does not equal 70% total damage mitigated, mitigation isn't additive in this game. Even more so if you really meant 100%, Tank LB3 is "only" 80% in comparison. You could have like unreal levels of mitigation on the entire party every 2 minutes if you stacked enough percentage, that's seems...unbalanced?????Quote:
Originally Posted by VictoriaLuv
Am I reading this wrong?
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10-01-2021, 08:46 AMFoxCh40sAll three sections they've been posting about they've demonstrated they know absolutely nothing of what they are speaking about. Just do what we do, ignore it, and move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by OdinelStarrei
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10-01-2021, 09:42 AMDaeriion_AeradiirNo, you read it correct. They did just effectively admit they have zero knowledge on how stacking mitigation buffs work. As FoxCh40s said though, you should just ignore it or enjoy it for the amusing read and move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by OdinelStarrei
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10-01-2021, 12:05 PMNaoki34
The only thing I'm hyped about with the WHM is the relics armour level 90.
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10-01-2021, 12:13 PMTouchandFeel
Speaking of tanks, how about those new Dragoon abilities ...
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10-01-2021, 12:17 PMRinaB
At this point I'm just happy if healers heal at all. I'll be hyped about healers when I stop dying on stupid shit and the party is sitting at 10% while they're casting glare.
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10-02-2021, 05:08 PMkiagenwawhat abilities?Quote:
Originally Posted by TouchandFeel
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10-02-2021, 05:30 PMVictoriaLuv
If your a tank player you should love idea of white mage having holy 2 - everytime they cast it thats free lily. this means more miseries that mean all the trash your gonna pull is about lose 15-25% of there life. while healing you known stop with afflatus skills.
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10-02-2021, 05:48 PMFoxCh40sYou know, unless they nerf Misery, which they will likely do to account for the extra speed of Lily gain, effectively nullifying what should be an exciting thing. Which they're totally gonna do, mark my words. It's always one step forward, 6 steps back with healers.Quote:
Originally Posted by VictoriaLuv
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10-02-2021, 06:00 PMHyperiusUltimaConsidering that you have not even touched WHM, let alone have an 80 - perhaps you should try playing the jobs a bit more and get a better feel before making baseless suggestions or ideas that don't fit within the scope of the game. Just saying so you aren't completely discredited on the forums more than you have been in multiple threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by VictoriaLuv
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10-02-2021, 06:43 PMDoru_NintendanThat actually explains a lot. I felt like their ideas were interesting, don't get me wrong, but they seemed to focus more on the job being more "engaging and flashy" than anything else. OP shows this especially with their thread on Bards being nerfed all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima
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10-02-2021, 11:57 PMVictoriaLuvIt is kinda true they do get nerfed all the time at least every expansion. with nothing really exciting or thrilling part of there kit. without anything "engaging or flashy" job comes dull quick. every class including tanks have something like this by no means is it overpowered. but it feels engaging and fun to player moral of the story is people like pretty things. like quite few jobs currently in game class doesn't become really engaging until level60 + rest of the time down right snore fest with no real reason level past 30. watch makes you fall sleep. sense your rotation isn't really impressive at all. cant say bard actually fun at this stage. not to mention bow glamour's are ugly. bard fashion ugly at latterly at 50 you Armor is a clowns outfit with rainbow spandex pants. only great thing about bard is preformancing and rick rolling people. lets stop talking about bard. this is tanking thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doru_Nintendan
now bout healing how it effects "tanking" currently tanking meta being shifted cause millions of tank player who like wall to wall people. squire-enix sees that people want see people get dungeons done in 3:12-5:20 and notices that. some instances that if tank pulls everything in the dungeon from start to finish no stop there are chances that tank will die if they do this. so squire-enix decided to buff every healer in the game with defensive targetable cooldown. deal with bad tanks don't like using defensive cooldowns + holy at 1.50 cast time deals more damage and rewards lilies non stop every time you cast. this basically means no matter how much you deside to pull as a tank. you won't die. healer now have something rub in your face for being bad. like paladin has clemency just joking -
10-03-2021, 12:38 AMAbsurdityHey, if they ever decide to make Dragoon a tank count me in lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by TouchandFeel
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10-04-2021, 05:45 AMHyperiusUltimaJust...stop. Please. This is nonsense. If you're not even going to step up and play the job to critique it properly, then perhaps you should take your crap elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by VictoriaLuv
'Engagement' or 'flashiness' isn't everything. At Lv 30-60 you don't even have your full kit either, so of course you aren't going to feel the exact way the job plays. They do that because every couple of levels or so you get an extra button that does something unique or a trait that augments a part of your kit to make it more understandable as they play. Also, FYI, Glamour is Endgame 100%.
If you really want to talk about the correlation between healing and tanking, perhaps you should start with learning how things work in harder content. Dungeons give you an idea, but Extreme and Savage give you a far stronger representation. The reason people go wall to wall is because they want to be done with the dungeon quickly, and they tend to ask if the healer is fine with it(80% of the time...). And yes, there is a chance the tank will die - a chance just about everyone's willing to take if they truly know what they're doing for the instance. Also, bad tanks =/= buff healers. That's not how they balance things. Your assumption that Holy will grant lilies is not true either, mostly because it's not the 13th yet. Just sit down and wait for it.
I'm also sure you haven't thought about the inverse either, where you can run into bad healers. It then goes on the tank to adjust for the healer, as it is with groups. I've run into many SCHs who forget that their fairy exists, but I'm able to cover them through my utilities as a Tank - even as GNB or DRK. So, if you're going to continue this line of ridiculous thought, perhaps you should play the game a bit more and stop baseless speculation.
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10-04-2021, 05:58 AMFoxCh40s
Actually, the official live letter translation given out stated Holy 2 gives Lillies. One of the absolute FEW things Victoria is right about. All else is speculation.
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10-04-2021, 06:05 AMHyperiusUltimaI must've missed that. Apologies on that part.Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxCh40s
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10-04-2021, 08:46 AMFoxCh40sNah it's cool fam.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima
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10-07-2021, 02:25 AMMellowMink
White Mage is a healer role, not a tank role; this thread is posted under the wrong area.
Also, any speculation on future job changes should be backed by an official source approved by Square Enix if said changes are additionally being presented as fact; otherwise, it could be seen as intentionally misleading. Unauthorized leaks may also be against terms of service, but I have faith in the forum moderators for addressing those potential rule violations.