I have an alt that I mostly don't touch, but because I want the Regalia on her I've been doing some level grinding. Today I did a Brotherhood of Ash repeatable that has you go to spots called tempered ground. You wait and fight a Tempered person. When they're kneeling on the ground you sprinkle what's called sacred ash. It's a failed attempt to try and untemper non Amalj'aa. When you turn in the quest the Amalj'aa says that even though it failed their people won't give up on trying to find something that'll work.
So, I'm left wondering what other most players probably didn't read/pay attention to things that might exist between 2.0 and 3.4/3.5 when we meet GA Bu and then between then and meeting Halric that hint at people trying to work on a possible cure for tempering.
When you use the ash most yell in pain saying that it burns while others ask Ifrit for aid.
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09-26-2021, 05:23 AMSannaRMaybe us old timers need to scour side quests and flavor text.
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09-26-2021, 05:36 AMLihtleita
....did we ever get around to untempering that loon gah's mother?
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09-26-2021, 05:40 AMDrWho2010
prob happened off screen.
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09-26-2021, 11:40 AMClereticI would be more surprised at her being alive than dead. It's been A WHILE, and the Ifrit-worshipping Amal'jaa both A: love to summon Ifrit, and B: love to use human sacrifices for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lihtleita
But yes, I do absolutely agree with checking out old ARR stuff especially. There's a lot of stuff that ARR states as fact or lays down to build on later, that a lot of people just don't retain because it's said before we have any context as to what's important. -
09-26-2021, 01:45 PMJeanneOrnitierIf she's still alive then an attempt to untemper her with the Porxie method probably happened offscreen. I doubt they'd ever integrate a beast tribe questline into the MSQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lihtleita
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09-26-2021, 01:57 PMIscahWhere do you get the "human sacrifice" bit from? They certainly love to offer people's souls to Ifrit and increase the number of worshippers, but no mention I can recall of physical sacrifice, and there are a number of living tempered people around Zanr'ak – there's a whole encampment of tempered Flames who don't seem to be prisoners.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleretic
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09-27-2021, 06:14 AMJeanneOrnitierIt's not the Amalj'aa, but Ga Bu's parents were sacrificed to summoned Titan in 3.4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iscah
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09-27-2021, 06:49 AMJandorIIRC the original three primals extreme fights have a human sacrifice component to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iscah
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09-27-2021, 09:22 AMkaynide
Re; sacrifice
While the primal is indeed consuming the aether of their sacrifices, it doesn’t actually eat the victims.
So while not a sacrifice in the “feeding the dragon a maiden” sense, the result is the same: dead.
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09-27-2021, 11:24 AMIscahIt's a sacrifice, but willing self-sacrifice of a devoted worshipper – a beastman, not human – to create the ritual foci that fuel the summonings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jandor
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09-28-2021, 02:14 AMkaynideI believe the trigger/summoner is that, but the actual primal can consume the aether of others. I want to say that was the deal with Ifrit- he would temper and/or consume people’s aether. Especially those tempered seem to willingly sacrifice themselves for their respective primal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iscah
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09-28-2021, 07:26 PMBeddict
From Patch 3.4, Unlikely Allies:
So, Beast Tribes can do ritual sacrifices, and use the bones as foci to summon stronger Primals, but it definitely doesn't have to be from someone willing. Ga Bu's parents totally weren't on board with the summoning despite believing in the Great Father Titan, but they still got axed. While Alisaie does specify that the bones of the beastmen are being used, I wouldn't be surprised if a bone from any sacrificed race works, and it's simply the belief in the power of blood sacrifice that is leading to a stronger summoning.Quote:
Ga Bu: Th-The...
The patriarch, he...he's...
<gulp> ...The patriarch is going to summon the Great Father again, and you have to stop him! Beat him, fight him, stop him!
Ga Bu: Ga Bu's parents said they didn't want it, along with many others! But the patriarch wouldn't listen. He was so angry─raging, fuming, angry!
Ga Bu: He said that if they didn't have iron in their hearts, they would serve as coke for the furnace. And then the guards took my parents and the others away, and I haven't seen any of them since...
Alphinaud: "Coke for the furnace“?
Alisaie: I did not want to believe it...but I have heard tales of foci fashioned from the bones of beastmen, which worshipers use in their rituals, hoping to summon more powerful incarnations of their gods.
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09-29-2021, 11:48 AMKylePearlsandAll things considered, she's probably far too gone by now. It's mentioned in the 5.55 MSQ that if a tempered is exposed for an extensive and repeated amount of time, there isn't any hope for them. This is seen with the Garleans at Carteneau. She's likely been exposed to Ifrit repeatedly based on her state of mind when she was found.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lihtleita
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09-30-2021, 11:15 AMGoldStarzI don't believe this is based on time tempered, since there's no way those Garleans were tempered for longer than a month or so max while Ga Bu was tempered by Titan for several times long as that. I'm pretty sure it's more to do with the repeatedly tempered part and given how Loon Gah's mother doesn't seem to have any lizard-like traits, it's not impossible she could be untempered based off of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by KylePearlsand