Temporary SGE tooltips

So the people from the Reddit discord have translated all the SGE tool tips that they could from the LL. Here the image and then the edit with all the info later https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...bvcpna7o71.png

Edit: Back up again.

1: Raise target
2: Select party member or enemy and gap close, can't use while bound
3: Reduces taken damage by 10%, can't be applied together with 8. 15 seconds (like soil, ground effect). Additional effect: heal hot, potency 100. Recovers 5% of own MP. Can only be used while under a certain buff (that is not on the screenshots)
4: Heals target, potency 600. Recovers 5% of own MP. Can only be used while under a certain buff (that is not on the screenshots)
5: Dot on target, potency 70 duration 30s. Heals target of your heal buff for potency of 170 (only once when applying dot)
6: Heal hot on self and players around. Potency 200. Increases heal taken by 10%, 15s duration
7: Attack target, potency 330. Heals target of your heal buff for potency of 170
8: Heals target, potency 600. Reduces damage the target takes by 10%, 15s. Can't be applied together with 3. Recover 5% of own MP. Can only be used while under a certain buff (that is not on the screenshots)
9: Heals target by potency 450
10: Heal self and players around, potency 300
11: Heal self and players around, potency 400. Recovers 5% of own MP. Can only be used while under a certain buff (that is not on the screenshots)
12: Applies heal hot on self and players around. Potency 100, 21s
13: Attack on target and enemies around target. Potency 330. Potency reduces by 50% after 2nd target. Heals target of your heal buff for potency of 170. Can only be used while under a certain buff (that is not on the screenshots, different to the ones above)
14: Heal self and players around, potency 300
15: Buffs self and changes certain spells. Duration permanent: 7 changes into 5. 9 changes into X (not hovered over/not screenshotted). 10 changes into Y (not hovered over/not screenshotted). When you use the changes skill, effect of 15 will be reset.
16: Remove X or Y buff from self and party members aroun and heal them for potency 450/350. If X or Y are not applied, no effect. (not hovered over/no screenshot)
17: Attack on target and enemies around target. Potency 510. Potency reduces by 50% after 2nd target. Heals target of your heal buff for potency of 170. Max charges: 2
18: Attack targets around you, potency 170. Heals target of your heal buff for potency of 170
19: Frontal aoe, potency 330. Potency reduces by 50% after 2nd target. Additional effect: Heal self and players around and reduce damage taken by 10%. Heal potency 400, 20s. Heals target of your heal buff for potency of 170
20: Target self or one party member. Applies Cardia(?) buff on target (the heal buff I was talking about in the other skill translations). When using certain attack spells, you heal whoever has the buff.
21: Applies to target of 20, doubles heal potency that occurs after the use of your damage spells. 10s.

Let it also be noted that this is all from this build and not in all a total representation what the final may be but as of now, looking better than sch.

Summary: A lot of skills with minor difference to create massive button bloat that even requires a "swap"-button to condense your aspected helios, aspected benific, and DoT into one button.

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Can only be used while under a certain buff (that is not on the screenshots)

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I'd argue that these certain buff are the blue orbs.

Half of this reads like stuff I proposed in my pre-ShB Dancer Healer thread (Here).

% Mitigation + heals over shields (worse than what I proposed, weaker mitigation that lasts way longer and doesn't apply before the heal).
Telemarks are the new heal and DPS marks, only applies to 'filler' spells.

The other half is the enhanced spell section of the kit. We'll see how it goes but it's kinda nice to see they aren't doing shields entirely (yet).

Thanks for compiling this.
Here is a more readable layout.

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1. Raise target
2. Select party member or enemy and gap close, can't use while bound
3. Reduces taken damage by 10%, can't be applied together with 8. 15 seconds (like soil, ground effect). Additional effect: heal hot, potency 100. Recovers 5% of own MP. Can only be used while under a certain buff (that is not on the screenshots)
4. Heals target, potency 600. Recovers 5% of own MP. Can only be used while under a certain buff (that is not on the screenshots)
5. Dot on target, potency 70 duration 30s. Heals target of your heal buff for potency of 170 (only once when applying dot)
6. Heal hot on self and players around. Potency 200. Increases heal taken by 10%, 15s duration
7. Attack target, potency 330. Heals target of your heal buff for potency of 170
8. Heals target, potency 600. Reduces damage the target takes by 10%, 15s. Can't be applied together with 3. Recover 5% of own MP. Can only be used while under a certain buff (that is not on the screenshots)
9. Heals target by potency 450
10. Heal self and players around, potency 300
11. Heal self and players around, potency 400. Recovers 5% of own MP. Can only be used while under a certain buff (that is not on the screenshots)
12. Applies heal hot on self and players around. Potency 100, 21s
13. Attack on target and enemies around target. Potency 330. Potency reduces by 50% after 2nd target. Heals target of your heal buff for potency of 170. Can only be used while under a certain buff (that is not on the screenshots, different to the ones above)
14. Heal self and players around, potency 300
15. Buffs self and changes certain spells. Duration permanent: 7 changes into 5. 9 changes into X (not hovered over/not screenshotted). 10 changes into Y (not hovered over/not screenshotted). When you use the changes skill, effect of 15 will be reset.
16. Remove X or Y buff from self and party members aroun and heal them for potency 450/350. If X or Y are not applied, no effect. (not hovered over/no screenshot)
17. Attack on target and enemies around target. Potency 510. Potency reduces by 50% after 2nd target. Heals target of your heal buff for potency of 170. Max charges: 2
18. Attack targets around you, potency 170. Heals target of your heal buff for potency of 170
19. Frontal aoe, potency 330. Potency reduces by 50% after 2nd target. Additional effect: Heal self and players around and reduce damage taken by 10%. Heal potency 400, 20s. Heals target of your heal buff for potency of 170
20. Target self or one party member. Applies Cardia(?) buff on target (the heal buff I was talking about in the other skill translations). When using certain attack spells, you heal whoever has the buff.
21. Applies to target of 20, doubles heal potency that occurs after the use of your damage spells. 10s.

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Lots of Hots for a shield class. Is that a mistake? Are those meant to be shields?

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Originally Posted by GrimGale

Lots of Hots for a shield class. Is that a mistake? Are those meant to be shields?

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If it isn't, proves SQE has no idea what they're doing or saying.

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Originally Posted by GrimGale

Lots of Hots for a shield class. Is that a mistake? Are those meant to be shields?

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Not really, otherwise you have a powerhouse shield stacking job and that's pretty broken for skipping mechanics. Instead, Sage seems to be a job that specializes on DPS to heal, but whereas it doesn't have as many shields as SCH, it has a decent number of mitigation sources. However, most of the heals are very weak (like physick potency weak) but subject to change.

So what they didn't explain much is that Cardia is a skill that targets a partner and assigns both you and the target to be healed whenever you do a DPS attack. This lasts infinitely, but the heal is pretty minor.
This is your main 'sustain' like a SCH's pet.

Unlike other jobs, Sage doesn't have as many potent oGCDs since they are a GCD-heavy job. They are:
Soteria - Ability - doubles healing effectiveness of Cardia for 10 secs - 90 sec cd.
Physis - Ability - an aoe regen of 100 cure potency for 21 secs - 60 sec cd
Holism - Ability - 300 cure potency AoE - 60 sec cd
Physis II - Ability - 200 AoE heal, grants 10% increased healing potency
Icarus - Ability - 45 sec cd Dash
Pepsis - Ability - heals AoE only if target is under Eucrasia Diagnosis (450) or Eucrasia Prognosis (350) - 15 secs cd.

Then you have 4 abilities based on your gauge spender - which is similar to WHM in charging up, but generates MP after using one. (That's 3,4,8, and 11).

All the other skills are spells (GCD) that rely on you to do damage to heal with the passive effect - healing only 2 targets (you and the partner).

A couple of them have their own CD as a GCD:
Pneuma - 1.5ish cast time? Heal allies hit by beam for 400 potency and give 10% mitigation. - 120 sec cd, heals Cardia ally by 170 potency.
Phlegma III - Instant cast, 510 potency on first enemy hit, 50% on remaining enemies, 45 sec cd, 2 charges, heal Cardia ally by 170 potency.

Eucrasia - 1 sec recast, strengthens next Prognosis, Diagnosis, or Dosis into their Eucrasia counterparts. (Reinforce skill)
Dosis III - Spell - 1.5 sec cast timer, 330 potency hit. +170 potency heal to Cardia partner.
Prognosis - Medica equivalent - 300 potency heal.
Diagnosis - Cure Equivalent - 450 potency heal. 1.5 sec cast time

Eucrasia Dosis III - DoT 70 potency for 30 secs, 170 potency heal to Cardia partner. - Instant cast time, 1.5 sec recast
Eucrasia Diagnosis - Heal + Shield
Eucrasia Prognosis - AoE Heal + Shield

Toxicon II - Instant cast 330 potency with 50% on remaining AoE, heals Cardia target for 170 potency - used under a certain buff?
Dyscrasia II - Deals dmg to enemies around self by 170 potency, heals Cardia target by 170 potency - regular AoE

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1: Sage Rez: Raise target - 8 sec cast GCD.

2: Sage Aetherial Manip. Select party member or enemy and gap close, can't use while bound. - Instant oGCD. Recast 45sec. Range 25m.

3: Sage Sacred Soil: Reduces taken damage by 10%, can't be applied together with 8. Additional effect: heal hot, potency 100. Recovers 5% of own MP. Can only be used while under a certain buff. - Instant oGCD. Recast 30 sec. 15y radius.

4: Sage Lustrate: Heals target, potency 600. Recovers 5% of own MP. Can only be used while under a certain buff. - Instant oGCD. Recast 1 sec.

5: Sage Bio: Dot on target, potency 70 duration 30s. Heals target of your heal buff for potency of 170 (only once when applying dot). Instant cast GCD.

6: Sage Celestial Opp on steroids: Heal hot on self and players around. Potency 200. Increases heal taken by 10%, 15s duration. - Instant oGCD. Recast 3 minutes. 20m range.

7: Sage Broil: Attack target, potency 330. Heals target of your heal buff for potency of 170. - GCD cast.

8: Sage Excog: Heals target, potency 600. Reduces damage the target takes by 10%, 15s. Can't be applied together with 3. Recover 5% of own MP. Can only be used while under a certain buff - Instant oGCD. 45 sec Recast.

9: Sage Physick: Heals target by potency 450 - GCD Cast.

10: Sage Medica: Heal self and players around, potency 300 - GCD Cast.

11: Sage Indom: Heal self and players around, potency 400. Recovers 5% of own MP. Can only be used while under a certain buff. - Instant oGCD. 30 sec Recast. 15m range.

12: Sage Whispering Dawn: Applies heal hot on self and players around. Potency 100, 21s. - Instant oGCD. 1 minute Recast. 15m radius.

13: Sage extra Aoe: Attack on target and enemies around target. Potency 330. Potency reduces by 50% after 2nd target. Heals target of your heal buff for potency of 170. Can only be used while under a certain buff. - Instant cast GCD. 25m Range. 5m Radius.

14: Sage Fey Blessing: Heal self and players around, potency 300 - Instant oGCD. 60 sec Recast. 15m radius.

15: Sage Stance: Buffs self and changes certain spells. Duration permanent: 7 changes into 5. 9 changes into X (not hovered over/not screenshotted). 10 changes into Y (not hovered over/not screenshotted). When you use the changes skill, effect of 15 will be reset. - Instant cast GCD. 1 sec Recast.

16: Sage Tactics: Remove X or Y buff from self and party members aroun and heal them for potency 450/350. If X or Y are not applied, no effect. (not hovered over/no screenshot) - Instant oGCD. 15 sec Recast. 15m Radius.

17: Sage Misery: Attack on target and enemies around target. Potency 510. Potency reduces by 50% after 2nd target. Heals target of your heal buff for potency of 170. Max charges: 2 - Instant cast GCD. 45 sec Recast. 6m range. 5m radius.

18: Sage Art of War: Attack targets around you, potency 170. Heals target of your heal buff for potency of 170. - Instant cast GCD. 5m radius.

19: Sage everything in one button: Frontal aoe, potency 330. Potency reduces by 50% after 2nd target. Additional effect: Heal self and players around and reduce damage taken by 10%. Heal potency 400, 20s. Heals target of your heal buff for potency of 170 - GCD cast. 2 minutes Recast. 25m range. 25y heal radius.

20: Sage Overheal: Target self or one party member. Applies Cardia(?) buff on target (the heal buff I was talking about in the other skill translations). When using certain attack spells, you heal whoever has the buff. - Instant oGCD. 5 sec Recast. 30m range.

21: Sage more overheal: Applies to target of 20, doubles heal potency that occurs after the use of your damage spells. 10s. - Instant oGCD. 90 sec Recast.

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Names are just for fun and obviously not meant for accuracy, but posting for ease of reading.

I'm quite happy that they went the "DPS for healing" route here.

I'm not really impressed by the skills' appearances, but that's superficial. I do like me that charged laser, though.

Honestly, its just proof they have the ability to make a new and interesting healer, but they choose not to.
Given other statements, they don't care about healers, and they don't care about veteran player's opinions, instead preferring to make depth about puddle deep.

Holy shit though button 19

Edit: just realised, it confirmed my suspicion. This healer is made out of chunks of the other 3. Its got scholars aetherflow ffs

For being a "shield" healer I'm seeing a LOT of regen abilities. I don't see a single shield heal on that list.

And that's bad news because that completely defeats the point of the Regen / Shield Dichotomy.

The shields might potentially not be included or it has some job mechanic that modifies them into shields. But yes, so far it looks like it's pulling double duty with regen and mitigation instead of shields

I'm baffled what the point of this whole "Regen/Shield" thing was when so far they've done almost nothing to further differentiate between the two. All it will serve is ingraining bad mindsets in the playerbase by adding a likely unnecessary divide in PF with the added categories, sort of like the "must play Noct with a WHM" myth inexperienced players latched onto, except now the Devs have officially stated it to make it even worse.

Sage, like SCH is a Pure Healer with a few shields/mitigation in the toolkit.

They didn't build on shields or do any reworks or try to make it a proactive playstyle. Just slapped a misleading label on that can be applied in Party Finder and called it a day.

Someone was able to make a more detailed look into the SGE spells so just adding it right here and hopefully it can clear any other confusion. That being said, same thing that the numbers are tentative. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...9_AhLrlGVx_nUQ

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Names are just for fun and obviously not meant for accuracy, but posting for ease of reading.

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#20 or #21 might as well become "Sage Synastry" too

Here's's yet another condensed version of the the Sage summary.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...ageSummary.png

It's kinda funny seeing it like this. For the most part you could mistaken it as a "Pure" healer with how the developers do it. Also the fact that WHM may have three barriers now also muddles things again. 2 charges for divine bension and now what seems to be the replacement for Fluid Aura.

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Here's's yet another condensed version of the the Sage summary.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...ageSummary.png

It's kinda funny seeing it like this. For the most part you could mistaken it as a "Pure" healer with how the developers do it. Also the fact that WHM may have three barriers now also muddles things again. 2 charges for divine bension and now what seems to be the replacement for Fluid Aura.

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Yep.

I know they're going to have a single target Shield and an AoE shield somewhere later but this just screams Pure Healer.

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Originally Posted by GrimGale

Lots of Hots for a shield class. Is that a mistake? Are those meant to be shields?

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Frankly, as SE keeps saying they're going for pure healers (AST/WHM) and shield healers (SCH/SGE), my opinion is that pure healers shouldn't have any shields at all and shield healers shouldn't have any regens.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

#20 or #21 might as well become "Sage Synastry" too

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I'd see Cardia as sort of the Sage Embrace, except better because 20 more potency that you can funnel into the target of your choice, rewards you for doing damage and not tied to a fairy that you snack on periodically.

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Frankly, as SE keeps saying they're going for pure healers (AST/WHM) and shield healers (SCH/SGE), my opinion is that pure healers shouldn't have any shields at all and shield healers shouldn't have any regens.

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This is 100% my take. If you give Shield Healers lots of Regen abilities or vice versa what is the freaking point of differentiating Shield Healers vs Regen Healers?

Take Scholar. It has 2 Shields. Adlo and Succor. Maybe 3 if you include Consolation from Seraph. Out of something like 15 heals or so (including pets).

That is not a "Shield Healer". That is a Pure healer with complimentary Shields. Scholar has more Regens than Shields.

Also: Analyzing the abilities. #15 is essentially a Reverse Deployment Tactics. Adds shields to abilities vs DT's making shields regular heals.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

I'd see Cardia as sort of the Sage Embrace, except better because 20 more potency that you can funnel into the target of your choice, rewards you for doing damage and not tied to a fairy that you snack on periodically.

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When you factor in pet scaling, it's quite a bit more than 20 potency. It's actually more like 70-80. Sage effectively has "Whispering Dawn, but 30% stronger" as well for the same reason.

I know this could be considered part of "not tied to a fairy" but I just wanted to drive home the point. It seems like instead of 2 shield healers and 2 pure healers, the real dichotomy here is 2 gimped healers and 2 direct upgrades. We have Diurnal AST, worse Diurnal AST, Sage, and worse Sage.

Healers are all meant to be able to do all content, so shield healers and pure healers will both be able to clear duties solo and together in trial, regardless of the possibility of getting double shield and double heals, but only high-end content is tuned for 1 heal and 1 shield.

From what I can see, the only separation between the two is one is: on-demand shields on the GCD (shield healers) with weaker on-demand heals, whereas the other is on-demand heals on the GCD (pure healers) but no on-demand shields. oGCDs are equalized more or less in effective potency with slight nuances between each healer.

It sorta makes sense, having too many shields on a shield healer means you can stack them and ignore mechanics, which is something game devs want to avoid.
On the alternative side, shield healers having shields that can't stack but also having little to no way of recovering raw hp means if you screw up your shielding at one point or because the DPS eats heavy dmg, there's no way to recover, other than physick-level heal spam. This issue is largely mitigated by having oGCD heals, even if they are somewhat weak or are regen.

Finally, the third thing - probably if both shield healers have a lot of shields that can't stack in each individual kit, but can stack with other healer's kits, it might make them more meta-comp than 1 pure healer & 1 shield healer. Though... that may change based on encounter design the next expansion. They are... giving a lot more mobility focus to almost every job. Either raidwides are going to be more heavier / frequent that necessitates dodging avoidable AoEs, or there will be more mechanically heavy fights that require movement, which makes it a lot easier to mess up and require frequent healing bursts.

I'm really hoping that SCH combat-peloton/mitigation and SGE getting a 45 sec dash is to account for this since only the 'shield' healers are getting some form of mobility, which implies the pure-healers have another job maybe [?]

Hopefully I'm not being Copium.

This info is cool and beautiful.
Thank you Reddit discord for translating this and OP for sharing it here~

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From what I can see, the only separation between the two is one is: on-demand shields on the GCD (shield healers) with weaker on-demand heals, whereas the other is on-demand heals on the GCD (pure healers) but no on-demand shields. oGCDs are equalized more or less in effective potency with slight nuances between each healer.

It sorta makes sense, having too many shields on a shield healer means you can stack them and ignore mechanics, which is something game devs want to avoid.
On the alternative side, shield healers having shields that can't stack but also having little to no way of recovering raw hp means if you screw up your shielding at one point or because the DPS eats heavy dmg, there's no way to recover, other than physick-level heal spam. This issue is largely mitigated by having oGCD heals, even if they are somewhat weak or are regen.

Finally, the third thing - probably if both shield healers have a lot of shields that can't stack in each individual kit, but can stack with other healer's kits, it might make them more meta-comp than 1 pure healer & 1 shield healer. Though... that may change based on encounter design the next expansion. They are... giving a lot more mobility focus to almost every job. Either raidwides are going to be more heavier / frequent that necessitates dodging avoidable AoEs, or there will be more mechanically heavy fights that require movement, which makes it a lot easier to mess up and require frequent healing bursts.

Hopefully I'm not being Copium.

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There is a fair bit of copium there.

Few things to address. First the "on-demand" shields is kinda pointless for a few reasons. Most healing is done off the gcd so having your only shields for a "shield" healer sit there and get used 5% of the time doesn't really fit the theme. Second the shields are usually half heal and half shield which means they are only an efficient GCD if the target has already taken damage and will taken damage again shortly, this is surprisingly not as common as you might think outside of tanks. Using it purely for the shield is just a straight waste unless the boss is not targetable(transition) or your party will literally die without a shield in which case... just bring an AST they are keeping neutral sect so they can shield anyways(and better than SCH).

As for having too many shields being able to ignore mechanics... that's not really the case. time is time. Whether you spend the GCD(or oGCD CD) before the damage or after it you still spent the time to deal with the damage. And you can already stack AST and SCH shields now and you'll probably still be doing it in EW.

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There is a fair bit of copium there.

Few things to address. First the "on-demand" shields is kinda pointless for a few reasons. Most healing is done off the gcd so having your only shields for a "shield" healer sit there and get used 5% of the time doesn't really fit the theme. Second the shields are usually half heal and half shield which means they are only an efficient GCD if the target has already taken damage and will taken damage again shortly, this is surprisingly not as common as you might think outside of tanks. Using it purely for the shield is just a straight waste unless the boss is not targetable(transition) or your party will literally die without a shield in which case... just bring an AST they are keeping neutral sect so they can shield anyways(and better than SCH).

As for having too many shields being able to ignore mechanics... that's not really the case. time is time. Whether you spend the GCD(or oGCD CD) before the damage or after it you still spent the time to deal with the damage. And you can already stack AST and SCH shields now and you'll probably still be doing it in EW.

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That's true, "on-demand" shields are pointless for the most part with the current encounter design... because damage is too sparse and low to warrant shields or damage is lethal/near lethal/provides vulnerability up debuff which eventually makes shields useless. There are a couple of places where you can stack AST shields with SCH shields to ignore the mechanic rather than deal with it, but as SE has shown with Deployment tactics nerf and introduced more lethal mechanics, they don't want you to stack shields to do this; they want you to resolve the mechanic properly. While Savage is difficult, it's not overly strict in the sense that you can't have leeway in using GCD shields unless you were aiming for a speedkill, but it wasn't always necessary either as not all parties had GCD shields. After all, we're currently in an expansion where any combination of healers are able to clear content, so the importance for clears were based on optimizing the similarly functioning tools all healers possessed at the high-end level (so the lv 80 capstone skills mainly covered any shielding issue).

It might seem like there's a lot of copium involved here (and there probably is), but it's not necessarily all copium. The current iteration of shield healers feel useless mainly because encounter design takes into account that not all combinations of healers will have on-demand shields. However if SE doubling down on making content clearable through 1 heal and 1 shield healer, it means they should be taking a specific stance on how they want these healers to individually function in a high-end raid, which implies they are tuning encounter design for this specific case and not tuning design for situations with WHM/Diurnal AST. Time has showed that SE does listen to feedback, even if they can't implement them all in the way players may want it. SE did hear the changes with wanting healers to have a DPS rotation, and we got SGE's GCD DPS focused gameplay as a result. I don't doubt they haven't heard encounter design being problematic with healer design and taken the necessary steps to minimize this issue either.

Also, 'shield healers' doesn't necessarily imply they only use raw HP buffer to block incoming damage. It's just a lot easier to differentiate them this way. 'Shield' healers also mean healers with high amount of preventative measures to deal with incoming damage, and on-demand shields are the easiest way to indicate this. Sure, AST and WHM has 'shields' but they're not in any way as numerous as the ones SCH and SGE has for preventing damage. What I mean by this is mitigation skills. SCH has a couple of mitigations: Fey Illumination + Sacred Soil + New AoE Mitigation. This is then in addition to their shield skills: Adloquium, Succor, Consolation x2/Seraphic Veil, Deployment Tactics.
SGE has: Lustrate with 10% dmg mitigation + Sacred Soil Equivalent + Pneuma (AoE mitigation/heal) for mitigation and Eucrasia Diagnosis + Eucrasia Prognosis for shields.

Even if most of their 'shield' abilities are oGCDs seem pretty marginal, they are generally low enough cd to use it often and readily available. There's a lot we don't know about sage, but based on what we have seen, they are definitely have a lot more 'shields' than AST or WHM who has 1-2 in their kit. Even then, we're not sure on the exact specifics since a lot of details are still up in the air after being changed to 'pure healers'. We don't even know if Collective Unconscious still has a mitigation component tied to it as Diurnal and Nocturnal sect is removed entirely, but the skills keep the initial 'Diurnal sect' flavor as a pure healer.

Until now, we haven't been able to see a real difference because encounter design never required SCH to be in the party for on-demand shielding (you can still run WHM with Diurnal AST and rely on Neutral sect). That may change now moving forward since it's very well possible to have a party with WHM/SGE, and we know from Live Letter that SGE currently only possess on-demand shields. In addition, they also went ahead and made Feint and Addle both work for both magic/physical mitigation as well, even if it's not as strong as the initial plan. To me, that speaks volumes to how important they're making 'mitigation' a factor in high-end content and may think we don't even have enough mitigation for certain boss fights...

though that can just be Quality of Life updates and I'm just copium. Take everything I say with some Copium.

tl;dr

Encounters are designed to be cleared with 1 pure healer & 1 shield healer in Endwalker, so party compositions we have today such as using Diurnal AST with WHM - which had shields with their capstone skills - are no longer guaranteed to clear encounters for Endwalker. This implies a lot more shielding / mitigation mechanics are in play or pure healers and shield healers have an individual role that separates them individually even if they are both sharing the healing burden. Ex: Shield healers may actually have to GCD shield more now.

Sage has mitigations, but from LL we only seen an adloquium / succor equivalent of a shield mechanic. That may change and SGE may get more shields, but as it stands, in a WHM/SGE party, it may require a lot more on-demand shielding as a result since SGE has no oGCD shields. Feint and Addle also got adjusted to give more mitigations to handle both types of physical/magical damage with a smaller mitigation to its other type, which heavily implies mitigating is even more important than before and shielding will probably be necessary to cover the remaining damage in fights with a specific lean towards phys / magical.

Take everything I say with some Copium.

I'm assuming their AoE shield has a higher value then Succor because the heal potency is significantly lower comparatively, which would make it more practical for pre-emptive mitigation.

They also seem like the most mobile healer overall now between Ikaros letting you jump to friend/foe alike and having frequent use of instant cast spells that are strong as or stronger then their standard nuke in Toxicon/Phlegma respectively.

So basically unless some skill yet to be seen shakes the rotation it seems it would go like this:
Ecurasia dosis 3-> Phelgma->Phelgma->Dosis 3 spam-> refresh dot->Phelgma on cooldown
Switching Dosis 3 spam with Toxicon 2 when we want to move more and double weave

Its not good but at least its better than Sch's current rotation, especially if we consider a party member buff we're yet to see

Phlegma having charges means you'd probably want to hang onto one to use during party/raid burst windows or if you need more mobility.

Considering how its animation looks, I would've expected Pneuma to hit harder but I suppose if they made it too strong it would've lead to SGEs wanting to use it on cooldown instead of when the heal/defense buff from it is actually needed.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Phlegma having charges means you'd probably want to hang onto one to use during party/raid burst windows or if you need more mobility.

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Raid buff is 100% sure but I think toxicon 2 fills the mobility niche better (same potency as main nuke + insta cast)

If i’m not mistaken there are at least 2 skills that weren’t shown, the icon for one of them could be seen though. They might be shield spells.

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Originally Posted by Boizinho

When you factor in pet scaling, it's quite a bit more than 20 potency. It's actually more like 70-80. Sage effectively has "Whispering Dawn, but 30% stronger" as well for the same reason.

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That's a good point. Wow. It's worse than I thought and I already thought it was rather bad.

I hope something they’re adjusting is Lily’s stats so the potency is reflected more accurately and inline with what we see on SGE’s Cardia heals.

I’m pretty sure SGE is gonna evolve into a “lazer turret” meme just like WHM has the glaremage.

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Originally Posted by Boizinho

When you factor in pet scaling, it's quite a bit more than 20 potency. It's actually more like 70-80. Sage effectively has "Whispering Dawn, but 30% stronger" as well for the same reason.

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Where are you getting these potencies?

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Where are you getting these potencies?

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All fairy actions have only about 64% of the potency that is advertised on the tooltip because Eos has lower stats than the Scholar themselves has. Embrace isn't actually 150 healer job potency, it only heals as much as a 96 Potency spell would heal if used by the Scholar. Same with Whispering Dawn, it says it's 100 potency, but in actuality it's 76.8.

SE seems to have outright copied Whispering Dawn onto Sage without accounting for this, so the Sage version is strictly better by a lot. And Cardia's healing is approaching double the amount of healing that Embrace gives if we only look at it in terms of tick for tick. Once you consider that Cardia procs on 1.5 second cast spells and some oGCDs though, and Embrace is once every 3 seconds, even saying that it's double the potency would be an under-exaggeration.

The only possibly justification is that Sage has to target their healing whereas Eos just heals whoever she feels like healing, but I'm sure a lot of people would argue that makes it even better yet. You used to be able to manually Embrace people, and it was removed. It's one of the things Scholars have been asking for the return of for a long time.

I think the increased potency is to account for the expectation that you wont only be casting dps abilities. In a vacuum sure it looks op (assuming "pet potency" isn't done away with) but I think in actual scenarios in game, especially not on the razors edge prog groups, that it SEEMS balanced around that idea. Cardia I mean.

For the whispering dawn equivalent, likely due to the loss of well the random healing aspect of the fairy. Non tank party members are gonna be less "healthy" overall as a general rule due to the fairy not being present. So this oomph to the regen should help scholars that are abandoning ship get used to the fairy not being there anymore. Or so I think.

Also none of sages abilities that do damage are OGCD that we have gotten to see, even the 120s laser is a cast and procs the gcd.

I still, as a sch main, want that "focus this person" button for embrace tho. Definitely jealous of that aspect of it haha.

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Originally Posted by Boizinho

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Right, but I don't remember seeing SCH get it's skills or potencies for Endwalker shown, are you using their Shadow Bringers numbers? And comparing them with the unfinished Sage potentencies from End Walker?

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Originally Posted by Boizinho

All fairy actions have only about 64% of the potency that is advertised on the tooltip because Eos has lower stats than the Scholar themselves has. Embrace isn't actually 150 healer job potency, it only heals as much as a 96 Potency spell would heal if used by the Scholar. Same with Whispering Dawn, it says it's 100 potency, but in actuality it's 76.8.

SE seems to have outright copied Whispering Dawn onto Sage without accounting for this, so the Sage version is strictly better by a lot. And Cardia's healing is approaching double the amount of healing that Embrace gives if we only look at it in terms of tick for tick. Once you consider that Cardia procs on 1.5 second cast spells and some oGCDs though, and Embrace is once every 3 seconds, even saying that it's double the potency would be an under-exaggeration.

The only possibly justification is that Sage has to target their healing whereas Eos just heals whoever she feels like healing, but I'm sure a lot of people would argue that makes it even better yet. You used to be able to manually Embrace people, and it was removed. It's one of the things Scholars have been asking for the return of for a long time.

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This. So much this.

I've seen tooltips around that describe Phlegma III as an oGCD.

510 potency, 2 charges, 45 sec CD and "This action does not share recast with other actions"

The tooltip translation we have does say that, but when you watch the video where Yoshida is playing it live, the ability in the top middle with the (2) charges goes on gcd as he is casting the filler dps spell, eucrasia, etc etc.

https://youtu.be/WSGdMv72ghI?t=15618

Does not share a recast could simply mean if you swap jobs it won't share a recast with another jobs 45s cd similar ability, not necessarily having anything to do with the global at all.

BLU's Magic Hammer has the same description/property.

It just means you can cast Phelgma then immediately start casting another spell the instant it goes off (Barring any potential animation locks) as it does not trigger the GCD.

I'm unsure of why they decided to make it that way instead of just a OGCD, though.