What are the ascians true names?

SPOILER FOR SHADOWBRINGERS:

With the ending of SHB and the reveal of Hades and Artemis, I am even more sure that the convocation are named after the greek gods. Which makes me wonder, what Elidibus and Lahabrea names were. My guess is either Opt1 Zeus(Elidibus) and Poseidon(Lahabrea) or Opt2 Hermes(a litti bus) and Ares (Lahabread)

Reasons for Opt1

Being the last three, the devs wanted them to reflect the brotherly trio.

Elidibus acting as the leader, while hades played in the shadows and sulked below the earth.

Poseidon for Lahabrea makes a special amount of sense because we know Laha created many creatures including the Pegasus which related directly to Poseidon.

Reasons for Opt2

Hermes was a messenger god, acting similar to the envoy that Elidibus portrays himself.

Ares because of the constant aggression and body swapping. Emet states that Laha burned through his aether to constantly body swap and rush the rejoining. That seems like Ares energy to me.

I also have no idea what our real name was...maybe Apollo?

Let me know what you guys think.

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The Ascians seat names are based on the Scions of Light from FFXII. Emet-Selch is scion of light of death so Hades was his name.

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Originally Posted by zcrash970

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The Ascians seat names are based on the Scions of Light from FFXII. Emet-Selch is scion of light of death so Hades was his name.

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Do you have a different source that one doesn't exist.

Update: I went to the site manually and found the page you sent. No where does this talk about Hades so my question still stands about there true names.

Fixed link: https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki...t_and_Darkness

Lohgrif's true name throws a wrench into the whole "named after Greek Gods" thing. Though perhaps the Japanese don't differentiate between the Gods and the Titans. Regardless, there's a whole lot more options on the table than just the Greek Gods.

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Originally Posted by tdb

Fixed link: https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki...t_and_Darkness

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Thank you TDB!!!! I looked and while yes there is a Esper of death it in no way explains why his name is Hades and doesn't address why Mitron's name was Artemis. They could be combining multiple things but they are clearly adding a greek naming convention that isn't a part of ffxii.

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Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

Lohgrif's true name throws a wrench into the whole "named after Greek Gods" thing. Though perhaps the Japanese don't differentiate between the Gods and the Titans. Regardless, there's a whole lot more options on the table than just the Greek Gods.

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Sure its not a god but its totally greek still.

Gaea or Gaia is still Greek in origin.

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Originally Posted by dustdjinn

Sure its not a god but its totally greek still.

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Gaia isn't a Goddess. She's a Titan, the progenitor race of the Gods.

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Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

Gaia isn't a Goddess. She's a Titan, the progenitor race of the Gods.

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I would argue that you are nitpicking.

" Gaia was the mother of all: the heavenly gods, the Titans and the Giants were born from her union with Uranus (the sky), while the sea-gods were born from her union with Pontus (the sea). The Greek word "γαῖα" (transliterated as gaia or gaea) is a collateral form of "γῆ" meaning Earth. Her equivalent in the Roman pantheon was named Gaea (Terra in more ancient documents). This is alluded to in Final Fantasy IX with the existence of Gaia's twin world."

that sounds like a god of sorts to me personally.

You're the one nitpicking here, and pointlessly at that. What does trying to prove me wrong even accomplish, other than excluding the rest of the Titans as potential names?

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Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

You're the one nitpicking here, and pointlessly at that. What does trying to prove me wrong even accomplish, other than excluding the rest of the Titans as potential names?

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Woah nelly are you pugnacious! I didn't say that other titans names weren't possible, I'm sorry if it came off that way. I was just saying that whether it be titan or "god" both are of greek origin. They are viewed as godly like creators and would fall into the same category. Either way I believe it will be a reference to greek culture...which I think you agree with?

So we are on the same page.

Yes, yes. We're on the same page. Sorry for the argument, and for crapping up the thread.

EDIT: Please, folks, don't argue this any further. It's not conducive to discussion and speculation.

To throw out something to get things back on track, I've always been fond of Azem's true name being Atlas, due to the connection to maps of the world and the imagery of Atlas holding up the heavens upon his shoulders.

Nevermind, not going to derail this for no real reason. Just gonna let the OP be the OP lol

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Yes, yes. We're on the same page. Sorry for the argument, and for crapping up the thread.

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Hey no biggie! It's so hard to detect tone in a couple sentences. We are all friends here :D

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Nevermind, not going to derail this for no real reason. Just gonna let the OP be the OP lol

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No, please tell me! I want to engage with people, I'm so lonely T_T.

lahabrea feels like prometheus due to being associated with fire a lot and giving the garleans the ultimate weapon, not sure about the rest

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Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

I've always been fond of Azem's true name being Atlas, due to the connection to maps of the world and the imagery of Atlas holding up the heavens upon his shoulders.

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That fits so well. I hope it is!

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

lahabrea feels like a prometheus due to being associated with fire a lot and giving the garleans the ultimate weapon, not sure about the rest

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That makes a lot of sense! I'm hoping we find out more in pandaemonium.

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Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

Gaia isn't a Goddess. She's a Titan, the progenitor race of the Gods.

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The Titans were Gods (and Godesses). Not Olympian Gods, but Gods nonetheless.

Also I lack a citation but I'm pretty sure Michael-Christopher Koji Fox or Yoshi already poured cold water over the 'the real names of the Convocation members were all named after Greek gods/figures from Greek mythology' idea... before the revelation about Loghrif and Mitron. So that statement may have been a red herring... or Gaia and Artemis were just coincidences.

I mean, Hythlodaeus has a Greek name also.... however his name comes from Thomas More's Utopia and actually means literally 'speaker of nonsense' (in Utopia it was the surname of a philosopher who supposedly washed up on the eponymous island and whose report More supposedly was narrating, and his name as such was essentially a coded joke - interesting tidbit is that Amaurot and the various districts of it are also taken from the same book, Amaurot itself being the name of Utopia's capital city), so don't take too much stock in Hades' name being from Greek myth also therefore has to mean every Ascian had a Greek name accordingly.

Really, Emet being Hades was probably more simply to reference the reoccuring FF summon of the same name in my personal opinion - it's why Emet-as-Hades' final attack in the Dying Gasp was Black Cauldron after all.

I know for sure there's a George and a Ralph.

Nald'thal, Nophica, Oschon, Rhalgr, Byregot...

Ascians names are all Greek in origins or inspiration; Gaia, Hades, Artemis ect

Still dying to know Nabrialius and Lahabrea’s real names, Fandaniel I’m convinced will be revealed in 6.0 or 6.3 or even the new raid based on Pandemonium

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Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

Lohgrif's true name throws a wrench into the whole "named after Greek Gods" thing. Though perhaps the Japanese don't differentiate between the Gods and the Titans. Regardless, there's a whole lot more options on the table than just the Greek Gods.

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Honestly I never put much stock in the greek god angle. Hades was Emet-Selch's name not as a reference to greek mythology directly, but because Hades is a FF summon/super boss and they always go for one of those for expansion closers. Ultima Weapon, Knights of the Round with Thordan, Shinryu.... it was less a reference to greek mythology and more a reference to past FF games that fit the character.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

Honestly I never put much stock in the greek god angle. Hades was Emet-Selch's name not as a reference to greek mythology directly, but because Hades is a FF summon/super boss and they always go for one of those for expansion closers. Ultima Weapon, Knights of the Round with Thordan, Shinryu.... it was less a reference to greek mythology and more a reference to past FF games that fit the character.

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That's how I took it as well. Not necessarily that they were patterned off the Greek pantheon, but that it was part of how Final Fantasy games pull from mythology constantly for their references.

-True name of Lahabrea likely is Hephaestus, the Greek god of the forge and fire. Makes sense, given how Hephaestus forged weapons for the gods and was the god of fire and Lahabrea forged early concepts of Primals, repurposed them later for weapons, and most of his creations were fire themed (First Phoenix and Ifrita).
-I suspect Azem's name is Prometheus, who gave the power of fire to mankind so they could have light, in defiance of the gods and was outcast for it. Here fire not only symbolizes literal fire, but also hope and light.
-Elidibus's true name could be Asclepius/Ophiuchus greek god of medicine and represented as the serpent bearer for which Zodiark and Elidibus from FFT are referenced by (13th zodiac sign).

I don’t think their names are all Greek, but rather summon or older FF related.

Artemis was a pull from FF8, not necessarily Greek.

Like, I think Elidabus is actually named “Sabik”.

Rabbit hole time:
1) Elibabus of FF12 is associated with the constellation Ophiuchus, which in the real world contains the star, Sabik.
2) The Heart of Sabik is supposively a pre-Allagan device that they could only use as a power source.
3) The heart consumed Aether (primals) and fed Ultima Weapon.

Tin foil hat time…

4) I believe the heart is of Ancient make in an attempt to replace Elidabus as the heart of Zodiark, and possibly make “feeding Zodiark” easier.. as in feed him primals and not necessarily the lives of lesser beings. I don’t think this is Ascian-make, but maybe Venat or Azem.
5) Alternatively, this has nothing to do with Elidabus and was an attempt channel excess aether from “the sound” to stop the nightmare summons.

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I expect the Ascians, if named, to have big famous and kinda “left field” names. Like Byrnhildr or Balthazar. We have to remember they are starting to run out of main-title references (like the only real summons we haven’t seen are what.. Tritoch and Maduin? Asura?)

Given the nature of The Sound and the flying city art, I would not be surprised to see Chrono Trigger references like Mammon or Melchoir. Or pulls from other SE properties.

Warning Post contains Spoilers for 6.0 and 6.01.

All Ascians that are part of the convocation have Greek Mythical Character Names.
They're Either a Greek God/Goddess or a Greek Titan. You can learn a lot about each of the members of the convocation based on their abilities or based on their personal relations in the game. That said, here are the known ascians, and their true names.

CONVOCATION OF XIV
#1: Mitron: Specialist in the Aetheric Field of Aquatic Life
True Name: Artemis (as revealed in the Eden Raids)

#2: Loghrif: Specialist in the field of Aetheric Terrestrial Life and Husbandry
True Name: Gaia (as revealed in the Eden Raids)

#3: Halmarut: Specialist in Aetheric Fungal and Plant Life.
True Name: Demeter (Unconfirmed)
Reasoning: Demeter is the goddess of fertility, agriculture, and the harvest.

#4: Emmerololth: Specialist in Aetheric Medicine and Healing
True Name: Asclepius (Unconfirmed)
Reasoning: Asclepius is the greek god of medicine. The child of Apollo and the nymph Coronis.

#5: Lahabrea: Specialist in Aetheric Creation Magicks.
True Name: Haphaestus (Unconfirmed)
Reasoning: Ericthonious is a Greek King, who was adopted and raised by Athena. In the 6.01 Raids, Pandaemonium, it's revealed that Lahabrea is Ericthonious' Father, and Athena is his Mother. In Greek Mythology, Athena was married to Haphaestus.

#6: Altima: Advocator for the Arts
True Name: Apollo (Unconfirmed)
Reasoning: Apollo is the Greek god of music, poetry, art, oracles, archery, plague, medicine, sun, light, and, knowledge.

#7: Igeyorhm: Champion of Enlightenment and Rhetoric
True Name: Peitho (unconfirmed)
Reasoning: Peitho is the goddess who personifies persuasion and seduction. Her Roman Equivalent, Suada or Suadela. She is the goddess of charming speech.

#8: Pashtarot: Preserver of Discipline and Order
True Name: Eunomia (Unconfirmed)
Reasoning: Eunomia is the Goddess of Law and Legislation.

#9: Emet-Selch: Keeper of the Aetherial Realm or "Underworld" in the vernacular
True Name: Hades (revealed in Shadowbringers MSQ)

#10: Fandaniel: Pursuer of Extant Phenomena
True Name: Hermes (Revealed in Endwalkers MSQ)

#11: Deudalaphon (Study of Research unknown)
True Name: Unknown

#12: Nabriales: (Study of Research Unknown)
True Name: Kronos
Reasoning: Kronos is the only God/Titan that controls time in all of greek mythology. If you watch the conversation between Minfillia and Nabriales in the Chrysalis, she is shocked to know that he controls time itself, as he puts the player in a pocket time loop of meteors falling forever.

#13: Elidibus: Mediator of Conflict and Surveyor of the People
True Name: Themis (Unconfirmed)
Reasoning: #1 In Game they share the same voice actor. #2: Themis is personification of justice, goddess of wisdom and good council and interpreter of the gods' will.

#14: Azem: Traveler of the World & Counselor of the People
True Name: Unconfirmed

Venat is the former Azem, and her name while not having a greek tie in, is derived from the Latin Word "Venari" which translates in Roman to "Venus" Now Venus the Roman God does have a Greek Tie in, Which is Aphrodite, the Goddess of Love and Fertility. Venat regularly states that her reason for living are the people and their interactions with each other in a positive manner.

Now since we know almost nothing about the 2 remaining seats. A lot of people keep referencing that Azem "The Current one" is Venat's Successor. But we know not of what Deudalaphon's Role was in the convocation of the 3 Remaining gods. We can only really speculate who or what role they fulfill.

Dionysus/Bacchus: The God of Wine, Fertility, Festivity, Madness and Resurrection.
Hestia: The Goddess of the Hearth, Fire and of the right of ordering of domesticity and the family (The position I feel fits the Azem slot)
Ares: The God of War, Violence, bloodshed and manly virtues.

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I think it would be more appropriate to mark those that are purely speculation as such rather than (Unconfirmed). There are a couple that the game has heavily suggested, and I don't think any of us would argue that those two are fair to mark (Unconfirmed) rather than (Speculation). But any hints for the rest are but whispers compared to the screams of those two.

I speak of course of

Lahabrea, whom the game has explicitly marked as the father of Erichthonius, and Elidibus, whom we are at least meant to believe is Themis by the selection of voice actor.

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Originally Posted by YoruXII

Dionysus/Bacchus: The God of Wine, Fertility, Festivity, Madness and Resurrection.

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GRAPE GOD CONFIRMED

The thing that confuses me about Themis is -

If we’re meant to believe he’s Elidibus, why does he have a white mask? I will have to go back and check but I thought the volcano story referenced in the Tales from the Shadows was referenced in Elpis. In that story, Elidibus is already Elidibus and Speaker of the Convocation so his mask would be red by the time we get to Elpis. If he’s going incognito to investigate, then why are his robes still white if the only people who have white robes are the speaker and ex-Convocation members who didn’t die? And while not everyone would know his face in a society that wears masks, he’s the speaker so I would assume everyone would know his voice.

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The thing that confuses me about Themis is -

If we’re meant to believe he’s Elidibus, why does he have a white mask? I will have to go back and check but I thought the volcano story referenced in the Tales from the Shadows was referenced in Elpis. In that story, Elidibus is already Elidibus and Speaker of the Convocation so his mask would be red by the time we get to Elpis. If he’s going incognito to investigate, then why are his robes still white if the only people who have white robes are the speaker and ex-Convocation members who didn’t die? And while not everyone would know his face in a society that wears masks, he’s the speaker so I would assume everyone would know his voice.

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Well, my thoughts:

If you wanted to go undercover, why would you carry around the thing that obviously identifies you as a member of the Convocation? Putting it away and donning a common mask would be the way to go.

The robe thing is harder to explain, but I get the feeling that everyone collectively misunderstood the significance of the white robes. But I don't have the actual quote on hand to confirm what was actually said about them.

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If he’s going incognito to investigate, then why are his robes still white if the only people who have white robes are the speaker and ex-Convocation members who didn’t die?

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Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

The robe thing is harder to explain, but I get the feeling that everyone collectively misunderstood the significance of the white robes. But I don't have the actual quote on hand to confirm what was actually said about them.

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Here's the exact quote:

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Originally Posted by Hythlodaeus in "A Past, Not Yet Come to Pass"

You needn't be nervous around Venat─those white robes mark her as one of fair and impartial reasoning.

Aside from the emissary, Elidibus, such garb is worn only by those who have stepped down from public office to serve as advisors. Whatever you have to say, she will listen without judgment.

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In other words they're not necessarily worn just by retired convokers. At least based on Hythlodaeus's explanation, people of other public offices could wear white robes. So someone with unspecified ties to the Convocation performing an investigation in a white robe might not throw any flags.

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Originally Posted by YoruXII

#5: Lahabrea: Specialist in Aetheric Creation Magicks.
True Name: Haphaestus (Unconfirmed)
Reasoning: Ericthonious is a Greek King, who was adopted and raised by Athena. In the 6.01 Raids, Pandaemonium, it's revealed that Lahabrea is Ericthonious' Father, and Athena is his Mother. In Greek Mythology, Athena was married to Haphaestus.

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That last part is incorrect. Athena was a virgin goddess. Hephaestus was in an unhappy marriage with Aphrodite, who cheated on him numerous times. Hephaestus and Athena are involved in the myth of Ericthonios but not due to being married.

One of them is named Filthy Frank. Though I'm not sure which one... ������

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Originally Posted by YoruXII

#5: Lahabrea: Specialist in Aetheric Creation Magicks.
True Name: Haphaestus (Unconfirmed)
Reasoning: Ericthonious is a Greek King, who was adopted and raised by Athena. In the 6.01 Raids, Pandaemonium, it's revealed that Lahabrea is Ericthonious' Father, and Athena is his Mother. In Greek Mythology, Athena was married to Haphaestus.

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I thought Haphaestus was married to Aphrodite, not Athena.

Lahabrea's and Elidibus' names are confirmed as per 6.2 patch

Thread necro, with 7.3 coming up soon I'd like to discuss Pashtarot's identity. We've got some inclination that they may be related in some way to Sphene's crown. So we have two potential options.

Option #1 Pashtarot is Calyx, and given that the jerk struck us with lightning bolts he's probably Zeus.

Option #2 Pashtarot is Sphene, and given her generous spirit I think she'd be Hera.