SFW modding should be officially allowed.

The vanilla textures and character models look very dated in this game. Square Enix can learn from MapleStory 2 and host a first party mod archive that allows players to create mods that add hairstyles, body features, altered glamours to the game in a SFW way. This had great success in MapleStory 2 and although the rest of the game was crap this was one feature that I wish to see in FF14. There are a lot of SFW mods that make the game more beautiful like HD hairs, HD faces, HD eyes, modded glamours that might not be lore-compatible but still look awesome like Nike boots.

Since this game is highly focused on glamour as an endgame, Square Enix should exploit the massive amount of free labor in the playerbase. There are tons of enthusiastic modders who are willing to create glamours and HD uplifts for free. Officially hosting the SFW ones and advertising it as a selling point is basically a very cheap way for Square Enix to attract more players to the game.

No. everything is against TOS because free labour does not benefit the company. Think of the incompetent devs that would be 1upped by someone fixing/improving the game in their spare time! /sarcasm

If that were the case the mog station glamours would lose their appeal since you could get replicas or anything on the mod sites. I’m sure the revenue loss would be in the millions. So forget about it. Not saying it’s the best reason. But money is money.

I agree this game needs a graphics update. At least textures, at best if they’re not building a new MMO then the whole engine.

Yeah! And i should be allowed to modify the Mona Lisa! I mean...i paid the entrance fee to see the painting, that should give me the right to do whatever i want with it!

not unless they become available for console users.

which is probably the reason. Modding console games is a PAIN to do legitimately. And even then has restrictions. Like, Skyrim you cannot use custom assets. Must all be existing, in game assets.

hard pass I think.

Yeah, I agree. Only thing is the trademarked stuff, for example you mentioned Nike boots... that wouldn't be easy to do if there were official first-party support from SE. Not only because of the trademark display (Nike sure wouldn't care) but because of the value of displaying that trademark. SE's finance department simply won't give away millions of dollars worth of advertising for free.

Of course first-party support would also mean they have to make sure the submitted mods adhere to FF aesthetics, quality, etc., but a simple review process would filter out those that aren't up to par. I can say with surety that there are many, many mods out there that would instantly be accepted and supported. The artists that do some of these mods are absolutely amazing and hugely talented.

I haven't used any myself, yet (?), but simply browsing pictures of the drastic quality improvement on some of these (hair, body features, etc.) blows my mind, LOL. Good stuff.

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Originally Posted by Breakbeat

Yeah, I agree. Only thing is the trademarked stuff, for example you mentioned Nike boots... that wouldn't be easy to do if there were official first-party support from SE. Not only because of the trademark display (Nike sure wouldn't care) but because of the value of displaying that trademark. SE's finance department simply won't give away millions of dollars worth of advertising for free.

Of course first-party support would also mean they have to make sure the submitted mods adhere to FF aesthetics, quality, etc., but a simple review process would filter out those that aren't up to par. I can say with surety that there are many, many mods out there that would instantly be accepted and supported. The artists that do some of these mods are absolutely amazing and hugely talented.

I haven't used any myself, yet (?), but simply browsing pictures of the drastic quality improvement on some of these (hair, body features, etc.) blows my mind, LOL. Good stuff.

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the reason I doubt you would see any official support is because that gives free license to the mods already in use, I am pretty sure, by the erping community in FFXIV, and I seriously doubt SE would be open to that.

so likely be the same lack of any opinion on that or the bot programs running rampant, because then it becomes "official" and you cant close that door once they open it.

I think only adding glamour items and hairstyles themselves could be problematic:

-Copyright
-Existing items modded in
-Unlockable hairstyles modded in
-Dye variations

Some of the existing items require running a dungeon, trial or raid, getting an achievement, purchasing from the MogStation, completing a quest, crafting, and so on. Unlocking a hairstyle I think is either an item in game or MogStation. I think most of everything else can be fine. As for the textures of glamour and hairstyles, I think that would be possible w/o it being a back door for people to use it to mod in items and hairstyles they cannot otherwise use but exist already in game, but I'm no modder.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Yeah! And i should be allowed to modify the Mona Lisa! I mean...i paid the entrance fee to see the painting, that should give me the right to do whatever i want with it!

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You don't temper with the original items when modding you know.... That's why it's only client side. It would be like if you pay entrance to see Mona Lisa, take a picture of it, edit it on photoshop, then publish it on internet.

I don't really know how Bethesda deal with their mods, but IF the devs decides to allow mods officially, perhaps it could take an example of two from Bethesda (not about paid mods though).

Maybe there's better examples, I dunno.

i got a popcorn car guys, if you need any i got you

https://i.gifer.com/mZs.gif

So is this an attempt to pigeon hole someone into having to say 3rd party gameplay tools are legal because they don't lewd the game?

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

So is this an attempt to pigeon hole someone into having to say 3rd party gameplay tools are legal because they don't lewd the game?

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Not all mod users are into NSFW mods.
But tbh SE is already "tolerating" mods because they can't watch whats in the user's pc. So there's no point into alowing mods, if you want them just use them that's all and that's your problem if something gets wrong.

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Originally Posted by Kozh

You don't temper with the original items when modding you know.... That's why it's only client side. It would be like if you pay entrance to see Mona Lisa, take a picture of it, edit it on photoshop, then publish it on internet.

I don't really know how Bethesda deal with their mods, but IF the devs decides to allow mods officially, perhaps it could take an example of two from Bethesda (not about paid mods though).

Maybe there's better examples, I dunno.

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Yeah, no. You don't own the game just cause you pay the sub. You don't own a single pixel/polygon. You don't own the code.

So back to my example, sure it's maybe not the "real" mona lisa in this case. But they hand you out a copy to look at it, you still don't own that copy but then you smear all over it with crayons.

You own neither the original nor the copy, the only thing you own is the temporary access. If you think as soon as you download stuff you own something you are really...dunno...i guess all the music labels would like to have a word with you in that case.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Yeah, no. You don't own the game just cause you pay the sub. You don't own a single pixel/polygon. You don't own the code.

So back to my example, sure it's maybe not the "real" mona lisa in this case. But they hand you out a copy to look at it, you still don't own that copy but then you smear all over it with crayons.

You own neither the original nor the copy, the only thing you own is the temporary access. If you think as soon as you download stuff you own something you are really...dunno...i guess all the music labels would like to have a word with you in that case.

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Stop putting words on my mouth. Who says anything about owning something? I just corrected you on how mods are not modifying the original items.

If anything, your example is the bad one to start since a famous painting is different than asset from video game.

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Originally Posted by Juzjuzz

Not all mod users are into NSFW mods.
But tbh SE is already "tolerating" mods because they can't watch whats in the user's pc. So there's no point into alowing mods, if you want them just use them that's all and that's your problem if something gets wrong.

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Right which is why I asked the question I did. To me it feels like the OP is trying to create a pigeonhole to be used later by people that wish to use gameplay assistance tools.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Right which is why I asked the question I did. To me it feels like the OP is trying to create a pigeonhole to be used later by people that wish to use gameplay assistance tools.

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agreed. it opens a door better left shut so there are some justifications for botting bans

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Originally Posted by tatatatatata

Square Enix can learn from MapleStory 2

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I'm so laughing so hard at this

The problem is that someone from SE would have to curate any allowed mods, to determine what's safe across all of the regions where the game is available.

FFXIV is not just a Windows PC game - it has a Mac and Playstation client also. These mods you suggest are PC only.

Also, these mods can often result in unforeseen glitches or game crashes simply because they put so much strain on the underlying game engine.

Personally I love FFXIV because it is mod free and I wish it was kept that way - I wish SE would enforce the policy instead of playing it softly softly. There lack of enforcement has simply resulted in people assuming that's it's fine to use them.

Do they allow enb or reshade for the game?

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Do they allow enb or reshade for the game?

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Reshade is allowed. A community rep answered that question a long time ago :)

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...11#post1408111

Hard pass. I don't want a culture of "you need these third party plug-ins to see how the game is supposed to look" to take root. I already left a game that essentially had mods be mandatory to experience the game to its fullest. It was irritating because these mods can be buggy due to not being QA tested by the game's actual QA teams. I don't miss dealing with that. I used to dread patch days.

I don't see third party SFW plug-ins being permitted for two reasons:

1: Customisation are gil sinks and are a way for players to make gil. If a culture of having visual mods became the default for most players, then most would stop purchasing glam gear and hairstyles, thus making certain loot and crafting less relevant than it is now. SE are not going to permit something that would have a negative effect on a system that currently works just fine.

2: SE are not going to permit players to use plug-ins for customisation options when they currently make money selling them on the store. It would be a terrible business decision.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

the reason I doubt you would see any official support is because that gives free license to the mods already in use, I am pretty sure, by the erping community in FFXIV, and I seriously doubt SE would be open to that.

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Well, I was going by the title of the thread: "SFW Modding should be officially allowed." So, I am speaking of the HD hairstyles, faces, outfits, grass, etc. Since "SFW" was in the title, I automatically figured folks would understand I was speaking only of SFW mods. Of course anything related to ERP shouldn't be supported by SE. Well, not unless they want to take a major ratings and directional change with this game.

Beyond that, it was just a fun wish to indulge in. Basically what I'd rather see is SE implement higher-res hair and body features on their own... but crowdsourcing it seemed like a good idea, I mean, since the hair and body features and stuff are already done, and have been for a long time.

Again, no - no ERP stuff, that isn't what this is about. It's a daydream where SFW stuff would be supported but NSFW or things associated with ERP would not. Of course, realistically, this would never happen. It would just be cool if you went to create a new toon, and literally all of the publicly-created character features were available to you (maybe a toggle for SE/Public), ditto with in-game elements like grass or trees or bricks or whatever else folks make for this game in their free time.

It would also be cool if an ice-cream shop set up next to my house and gave away free ice-cream 24/7 to guys named Matt (that's me), with a 50-dollar bill wrapped around each free cone.

We're just daydreaming here =)

I'd be down for an "official" HD texture pack. But we know it isn't happening. I'd still be down though <.<

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Yeah! And i should be allowed to modify the Mona Lisa! I mean...i paid the entrance fee to see the painting, that should give me the right to do whatever i want with it!

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A painting is not a digital good that can be reverted back to it's original state...

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I used to dread patch days.

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Sounds like Conan Exiles :D

Anyway, I agree with you, in particular anything HUD related. I rather SE adds all the necessary stuff.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Sounds like Conan Exiles :D

Anyway, I agree with you, in particular anything HUD related. I rather SE adds all the necessary stuff.

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it would be nice, but highly unlikely.

not just SE but any game company would be unlikely to straight out tell parts of their player base "sorry, you have no choice, upgrade your computer"

If they do anything, be released in small stages to try and pressure the potato with a monitor crowd to seriously consider moving into the 20-teens

It'd be great, seeing the amount of content out there that's been created with good intentions and over the sake of creativy and such... but as we saw in that debacle of a thread before, there's plenty of people who disagree and would rather have spyware to ban modders altogether than to actually find common ground (like The Elder Scrolls Online, Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2, TERA, World of Warcraft, etc).

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

it would be nice, but highly unlikely.

not just SE but any game company would be unlikely to straight out tell parts of their player base "sorry, you have no choice, upgrade your computer"

If they do anything, be released in small stages to try and pressure the potato with a monitor crowd to seriously consider moving into the 20-teens

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I'm confuse.

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Originally Posted by Maulclaw

It'd be great, but as we saw with many of the people in here... they'd rather have spyware to ban modders than to actually find common ground (like The Elder Scrolls 2, Guild Wars 2, TERA, World of Warcraft, etc).

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I would rather have spyware to ban botters. not concerned about people who use mods, though in all fairness, I think inclusion of mods leads to lazier development focus since at that point, why would SE have to improve anything if a mod already takes care of it? ideally, SE should deal with textures etc, which I am sure they would love to, to an extent.

what they should consider is a low res and high res install, start to separate out the potatoes. Once they do that, and more people start moving to high res, they can easily determine who is on what and start phasing out the low rez software.

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Originally Posted by Bearded

I wish SE would enforce the policy instead of playing it softly softly. There lack of enforcement has simply resulted in people assuming that's it's fine to use them.

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That's because people play telephone with what's been said.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

it would be nice, but highly unlikely.

not just SE but any game company would be unlikely to straight out tell parts of their player base "sorry, you have no choice, upgrade your computer"

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You mean like when Stormblood launched and they told PS3 players they had no choice but to upgrade to the next console to keep playing?

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

it would be nice, but highly unlikely.

not just SE but any game company would be unlikely to straight out tell parts of their player base "sorry, you have no choice, upgrade your computer"

If they do anything, be released in small stages to try and pressure the potato with a monitor crowd to seriously consider moving into the 20-teens

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MMOs will do this periodically from time to time by raising their minimum requirements. Most just try to keep a wide spectrum so they're never going to focus on just what is bleeding edge. And SE already cut PS3 players off, so they will do that even with console players.

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Originally Posted by Rae88

Reshade is allowed. A community rep answered that question a long time ago :)

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...11#post1408111

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It would be hard not to allow it, since it affects Direct X's interpretation of what's actually being sent by the game, and not the game messaging to the Direct X drivers itself. Graphics drivers like nVIDIA's FreeStyle do pretty much the same thing.

Neither of them actually change what's seen onscreen, just how the pixels are presented. Kinda like using an HDR package in real-time.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

You mean like when Stormblood launched and they told PS3 players they had no choice but to upgrade to the next console to keep playing?

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yes, and its highly likely that they had data showing that with the PS$ being out, that number of PS3 players was relatively small. lets face it, MOST console players upgrade relatively fast compared to pc players. PS3 came out in 2006, PS4 came out in 2013 and Stormblood was 2017. I think there was a reasonable expectation that the PS3 should be able to be dropped since it was outside a 10 year date AND that the PS4 had been out for 4 years. I think they should drop support for Windows 7 and earlier. In fact, they gave out Win 10 for free, so drop everything prior to Windows 10. at the VERY least, announce their intention to. Thankfully Endwalker is dropping Win 7, so hopefully we DO get changes. (that will affect Steam users with almost 9% still using Win 7, I smh)

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yes, and its highly likely that they had data showing that with the PS$ being out, that number of PS3 players was relatively small. lets face it, MOST console players upgrade relatively fast compared to pc players. PS3 came out in 2006, PS4 came out in 2013 and Stormblood was 2017. I think there was a reasonable expectation that the PS3 should be able to be dropped since it was outside a 10 year date AND that the PS4 had been out for 4 years. I think they should drop support for Windows 7 and earlier. In fact, they gave out Win 10 for free, so drop everything prior to Windows 10. at the VERY least, announce their intention to. Thankfully Endwalker is dropping Win 7, so hopefully we DO get changes. (that will affect Steam users with almost 9% still using Win 7, I smh)

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Console launches are always a slow upgrade process as players tend not to upgrade until there are titles on the system they want to play. It took me a couple years after the PS4 launched before I bought one because there was nothing worth playing to encourage me to purchase the console. Even now, while I have a PS5 because I got contacted directly by Sony offering me to buy a unit directly from them, if not for that and the global shortage, there would be nothing on that console worth upgrading to it. FFXIV is currently the only game I play on my PS5. And to the Stormblood launch, I know at least a half dozen people from my FC at the time who had to purchase the new console specifically so they could continue playing FFXIV.

As to the original post topic, I think "SFW" is too subjective for the developers to go with. While the original poster says that it would just be graphical updates, there will eventually be someone who thinks that one mod is completely fine while another thinks its lewd or vulgar. Think maybe a mod that dramatically increases breast sizes. Or many a mod that adds blood to weapon hits. Square, in a smart attempt to avoid having to define where that line is, simply states all mods are against the terms of service.

Funny thing how some SFW mods actually FIX some of the game's issues.
Like for example some poor textures.
Or giving actually interesting hairstyles and facial hair options.
SQEnix should copy some of them and make them official.