Blood Mage Class [idea]

http://https://static.wikia.nocookie...20150524115232Call me a freak, but I want a BLOOD TEMPLAR!! Here is the concept.

1) start as a paladin, level 80 class. Requirement have dragoon at 70 and black mage at 70
2) You figured, ‘just a sword ain’t enough, I want to wield a sword in one hand [magic] + shield and a claymore on your back

Class arche-type
Tank + DPS

1) In wrath stance: you fight with claymore, while blasting enemies with magic with your bare hands. The sword is magic and floats along side you attacking on its own [aka it’s a pet]. But after your blood gage fills. You grab the blade of magic and start swinging a magic dark blade.

In Sacrifice stance: you fight with sword and shield, your abilities are about using black lightning and Deus Vulting everything into oblivion. You get mitigation. But you constantly loose hp proportional to your damage. You can self heal only in wrath stance by unleashing a 50 second skill, called Unholly Nova. This move will drain the mana of 1 ally at 10% a second, until your 100% full on hp.

2) The class uses medium armour. It is a mix of paladin theme with the colour scheme of black mage. A pure black paladin with red crosses

3) The class would start at level 80.



If this sounds utterly sick… I agree. Let me know what you all think


http://https://cdnb.artstation.com/p...jpg?1601096873

Annoying image wont add for what ever reason, just look up blood mage paladin for ideas

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I'd be all for it. I love 'darker' jobs and thankfully Reaper is confirmation that more can and will be added over time.

It's been years since I played WoW, though I had a lot of fun running around as a Death Knight, Warlock and Demon Hunter.

I always found the concept of a Blood Mage to be really compelling.
And also very disappointing in most implementations...
Altho your Job just sounds like DRK + PLD.

I think a Job like Skarlet from Mortal Kombat would be really cool, wielding a single dagger and using prepared vials with more powerful blood to cast spells and fighting in melee.
Basically you'd stab/ slash yourself for quick access to blood to cast weaker spells, the blood of your enemy and maybe + your own blood = stronger spells and the prepared vials lore-wise at least being from really powerful beings to cast stuff akin to LB and huge potency abilities with longer CD's.

Edit: Vampire The Masquerade had really cool blood magic too where you made people vomit blood until they died or boil from the inside and explode.
The combat in the game was pretty awful but the blood magic was actually a lot of fun and really cool.

so is this tank or dps?

is this mana draining from just some random ally? I kind of doubt any caster classes would be happy about having their mana drained for 50 seconds, especially in a boss fight if its a healer and you are taking constant damage.

Meh.

First off current class design philosophy says no, they left specific multi-class requirements for classes in the dustbin a while ago.

Second the concept of a stance shift for dps/tank also went into the dustbin.

Third, draining an allies mana to heal yourself up would make for many an unhappy ally and as such isn't likely to ever happen.

Fourth it seems you have a tank stance that constantly bleeds your health away... trying to get yourself killed?

Fifth wrath stance is already in the game basically, it's called Red Mage.

I kinda just jumped past the mana part.

If the Blood Mage worked that way I'd get so mad on BLM.
Even if the Mana Drain was much smaller, even any at all it'd screw BLM's rotation up lol.
If you're like 1 mana too low it'll be the difference between being able to cast your finisher or not.

It sounds like a disaster waiting to happen that only considers it from the Blood Mages perspective and doesn't take the whole picture into account.

I can't imagine BLM's being too happy when their rotation goes down the toilet and they loose enochian because the tank decided to drain their mana.

I'm more than happy to have more dark themes on jobs but two major parts of your job idea will never happen, multi-role and stance dancing. We've already had these things, and the developers have already decided they don't like it and removed stance dancing. If there is anything that gives YoshiP nightmares it's 1.0, if there are 2 things that give him nightmares it's 1.0 and Arcanist.

The thing is too tho that at this point we already have two '' dark magic '' themed Jobs ( DRK and Reaper in Endwalker ).

The Job as described sounds less like an actual Blood Mage to me too and more like '' edgy magic with black color theme ''.
When I think of a Blood Mage I think of someone who's bleeding themselves and their opponent and then using it as fuel and twisting it.
The OP's description sounds more like '' uses life force '' rather than a blood theme.

Causing peoples blood to boil, bloodbending in Avatar, Skarlet in MK etc.
That's what I think of when I hear '' Blood Mage ''.

Regarding name for stances, they can change….someone mentioned it’s a red mage stance? Well red mage is a mix of black mage and white mage, they also wield a sword…. So to some degree it could make sense. Lore wise.

- sure multiple requirements may not be a thing, so we can just drop the dragoon requirement. I figured for lore reasons it may make sense

-the mana drain: it’s not random, you use it and apply a debuff on one caster, kind of how dancer’s dance partner works

- loosing HP is only in tank stance, in any raid or dungeon, the tank is always being healed. Sure it may make it harder on healer, a bit

- monk already has stances, I not asking for 30 abilities x2. I am asking for 10 skills for each stance. You can maybe at most do what BLM has. Where you switch phases between fire and ice, here you switch between the claymore + empty hand, to sword + shield.

- the angering black mages? Not sure what one means. I am sure most black mages would simply move over to blood mage, since most of us play it because of the destruction it brings. You don’t get more destructive and thermotage then blood mage. It’s also cool for paladins who sick of the boring easy rotation of paladin.

The mana thing could be annoying, but all it requires is for SE to allow mana regeneration ability [we already have] to restore mana in fire stance. Problem solved.

as pointed out.. stances themselves I doubt would be considered by the dev team. not in terms of a dps stance and a tank stance.

not sure the mana drain would make any person you apply it to happy. -10% a second? for 50 seconds? a "bit" harder on healer? hate to point this out but you are making it harder on anyone, and if the healer is your unlucky target, how exactly do you presume they heal anyone else with no mana? any mana regenerated is likely being sucked up by the job you are proposing

you are making the assumption that people would flock to the job, and if they are in your "blood mage" stance, and you are sucking mana from them... how will that help? they cant do damage without mana...right?

any mana regeneration would have to be over 10% a second in order to keep up with your... "ability"

yeah, somehow I dont see this job being created by your given template. basically you want a job that will get everyone else killed, and the devs are unlikely to run with it. the aesthetic maybe, the abilities, probably not

If I queued into a duty as a caster and the tank was a Blood Mage then I'd leave in a heartbeat. There are pretty much no upsides about this idea.

I forgot to explain the key thing, the ability is a toggle- it on default turns off once the blood mage is at 100% hp. Which means it’s parasitic yes, but only for a max of 10 second at most really [100% hp for 100% cost to mana]. Remember that black mages in ice 4 phase recover nearly 100% of their mana in one second. Even if you loose -10% mana a second, you still recover more mana then you loose.

Aka in combination of a black mage, and blood mage, the blood mage could heal in theory indefinite for 50 seconds if they are bellow 100% hp, which allows the healer to do more dps. This alone could shake up the meta considerably since it means you have

-3 dps, 1 healer, 1 tank. This would give black mage some more party utility. A perfect combination

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Originally Posted by AusarViled

I forgot to explain the key thing, the ability is a toggle- it on default turns off once the blood mage is at 100% hp. Which means it’s parasitic yes, but only for a max of 10 second at most really [100% hp for 100% cost to mana]. Remember that black mages in ice 4 phase recover nearly 100% of their mana in one second. Even if you loose -10% mana a second, you still recover more mana then you loose.

Aka in combination of a black mage, and blood mage, the blood mage could heal in theory indefinite for 50 seconds if they are bellow 100% hp, which allows the healer to do more dps. This alone could shake up the meta considerably since it means you have

-3 dps, 1 healer, 1 tank. This would give black mage some more party utility. A perfect combination

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but you have already said that blm's would all switch to this blood mage.
if there are no other casters but the healer.. what do you expect the healer to do with no mana? cant dps or heal.
and you are not addressing the part about screwing up a blm's rotation which they need for doing DPS

and I do not see SE changing party makeup from what it is to accomodate your new job. basically you want one extra person in the party to be your sacrifice.

yeah.. no.

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Originally Posted by AusarViled

Regarding name for stances, they can change….someone mentioned it’s a red mage stance? Well red mage is a mix of black mage and white mage, they also wield a sword…. So to some degree it could make sense. Lore wise.

- sure multiple requirements may not be a thing, so we can just drop the dragoon requirement. I figured for lore reasons it may make sense

-the mana drain: it’s not random, you use it and apply a debuff on one caster, kind of how dancer’s dance partner works

- loosing HP is only in tank stance, in any raid or dungeon, the tank is always being healed. Sure it may make it harder on healer, a bit

- monk already has stances, I not asking for 30 abilities x2. I am asking for 10 skills for each stance. You can maybe at most do what BLM has. Where you switch phases between fire and ice, here you switch between the claymore + empty hand, to sword + shield.

- the angering black mages? Not sure what one means. I am sure most black mages would simply move over to blood mage, since most of us play it because of the destruction it brings. You don’t get more destructive and thermotage then blood mage. It’s also cool for paladins who sick of the boring easy rotation of paladin.

The mana thing could be annoying, but all it requires is for SE to allow mana regeneration ability [we already have] to restore mana in fire stance. Problem solved.

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Red mage was mentioned because the stances play style you described was basically a copy paste of the Red Mage. That's not going to fly well for a new class.

They could slap some class story stuff in there to cover the dragoon, black mage, paladin blend and have zero reqs class wise too.

Monk "stances" really are just buffs of which you can only have one active. They don't fundamentally shift how the class plays. But sure a BLM like focus shift from using a couple powers to a couple different powers could be ok except you're talking about shifting between a tank and dps which kinda defeats the purpose of tanking. You don't really want to voluntarily give up mitigation.

And the angering BLMs has more to do with this class ruining their already somewhat complicated rotation because the tank needs to pop his mana draining self heal to help his damage mitigation than being jealous of this classes damage output. Also I doubt very much a BLM main is going to switch to a tank class just to dps better. The tank class would be getting nerfed if it's dps was like that.

Simply allowing mana regen to work in "fire stance" does not make the problem solved. One, that move alone makes what they balanced the BLM around broken and now they have to re-balance the whole thing. Two, running out of mana still tosses their rotation into the dumpster along with their dps.

Change stance was the worst thing wow have created for tanks, a tank with stance style its sooo old.....not fun. idlike not see these stances in FF14 too.

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Originally Posted by AusarViled

I forgot to explain the key thing, the ability is a toggle- it on default turns off once the blood mage is at 100% hp. Which means it’s parasitic yes, but only for a max of 10 second at most really [100% hp for 100% cost to mana]. Remember that black mages in ice 4 phase recover nearly 100% of their mana in one second. Even if you loose -10% mana a second, you still recover more mana then you loose.

Aka in combination of a black mage, and blood mage, the blood mage could heal in theory indefinite for 50 seconds if they are bellow 100% hp, which allows the healer to do more dps. This alone could shake up the meta considerably since it means you have

-3 dps, 1 healer, 1 tank. This would give black mage some more party utility. A perfect combination

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Honestly it really sounds like you don't understand BLM's rotation at all, a single tick from this ability of yours would ruin the whole rotation. Unless you think all BLMs are Blizzard Wizards...?

A sacrifice person!!! You kind of nailed it perfectly. BLM would loose some dps, you would loose about 2 hits before one was forced to switch to ice form, which would make the class even harder to play then it is even now, which is good since the rotation for BLM is super easy. This is spice of life. Since this class is already said to be hardest, making it harder won’t effect many people.

Regarding the healers, you would just use the ability as an emergency heal and not use it 100% of time. It’s an optional ability that one does not always have to have on. Kind of like the dark knight- he has reanimate like ability, how often does one use it? If you have a competent healer your not going to need it. As someone said, variety is the spice of life.

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Originally Posted by AusarViled

A sacrifice person!!! You kind of nailed it perfectly. BLM would loose some dps, you would loose about 2 hits before one was forced to switch to ice form, which would make the class even harder to play then it is even now, which is good since the rotation for BLM is super easy. This is spice of life. Since this class is already said to be hardest, making it harder won’t effect many people.

Regarding the healers, you would just use the ability as an emergency heal and not use it 100% of time. It’s an optional ability that one does not always have to have on. Kind of like the dark knight- he has reanimate like ability, how often does one use it? If you have a competent healer your not going to need it. As someone said, variety is the spice of life.

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this may come as a bit of a shock...

but most players will not relish the idea of being your sacrifice on their dime.

its good to have ideas, but they should look at the bigger picture.. and that picture in an mmo is... you are playing with other people. in a single player game however, this would be a grand idea.

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Originally Posted by AusarViled

A sacrifice person!!! You kind of nailed it perfectly. BLM would loose some dps, you would loose about 2 hits before one was forced to switch to ice form, which would make the class even harder to play then it is even now, which is good since the rotation for BLM is super easy. This is spice of life. Since this class is already said to be hardest, making it harder won’t effect many people.

Regarding the healers, you would just use the ability as an emergency heal and not use it 100% of time. It’s an optional ability that one does not always have to have on. Kind of like the dark knight- he has reanimate like ability, how often does one use it? If you have a competent healer your not going to need it. As someone said, variety is the spice of life.

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It's one thing to accidentally get rescued away from a mob, it's another to accidentally get mana drained by the tank. You playing a class that makes the game harder for others and is given a straight up "I can troll you" ability just isn't going to fly.

Variety is the spice of life, getting rolled over by your parties tank isn't variety.

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Originally Posted by AusarViled

- the angering black mages? Not sure what one means. I am sure most black mages would simply move over to blood mage, since most of us play it because of the destruction it brings. You don’t get more destructive and thermotage then blood mage. It’s also cool for paladins who sick of the boring easy rotation of paladin.

The mana thing could be annoying, but all it requires is for SE to allow mana regeneration ability [we already have] to restore mana in fire stance. Problem solved.

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Please tell me that this is trolling?

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Originally Posted by AusarViled

A sacrifice person!!! You kind of nailed it perfectly. BLM would loose some dps, you would loose about 2 hits before one was forced to switch to ice form, which would make the class even harder to play then it is even now, which is good since the rotation for BLM is super easy. This is spice of life. Since this class is already said to be hardest, making it harder won’t effect many people.

Regarding the healers, you would just use the ability as an emergency heal and not use it 100% of time. It’s an optional ability that one does not always have to have on. Kind of like the dark knight- he has reanimate like ability, how often does one use it? If you have a competent healer your not going to need it. As someone said, variety is the spice of life.

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BLM rotation is only easy against a target dummy. The moment you have to move it becomes exponentially more difficult and is why BLM is considered such a difficult job to master. You can't take a job like that and then throw in the randomness of the tank screwing up it's rotation whenever they feel like it. The 2 hits the BLM would lose would most likely be Fire IV...... yeah. Either that or half of the AoE rotation.

If this job was created it would make BLM hell and make the players rage on a frequent basis, and would probably put healers into therapy if they are the only mage in the party. If the damage was as high as you claim (so good 2 casts of Fire IV don't matter) then it would be horribly unbalanced next to the other tanks.

Not to mention

Multiple job prerequisites = already tried, tested and removed
Stance dancing = already tried, tested and removed
Multi-role = already tried, tested and they wish they could remove

I'm not seeing your chances of getting this idea over the line to be honest.

Aside from the flaws pointed out, I'd like to see a caster job focusing on dark magic, if BLM doesn't go in that direction. We already have a melee dps incorporating this concept, so I am not keen on another immediately after occupying the same niche. Seems redundant. Where I see room for a new job to make its mark is a DOT mage of some description, as SMN has a different focus.

Another sword/melee focused job is not of huge interest to me. A new caster, on the other hand, would be.

I get this job maybe isn’t the best in terms of design, but it’s at least unique which is pretty unheard of in 14, with so many jobs just being carbon copies of one another. It would be nice to see SE branch out from their comfort zone and go back to introducing interesting complex jobs, but considering how much the casual fan base screamed before i don’t see it happening.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I get this job maybe isn’t the best in terms of design, but it’s at least unique which is pretty unheard of in 14, with so many jobs just being carbon copies of one another. It would be nice to see SE branch out from their comfort zone and go back to introducing interesting complex jobs, but considering how much the casual fan base screamed before i don’t see it happening.

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I dont have a problem with more complexity in jobs, but this one is, as I said, great for a single player game, not so much for an mmo. I cant speak for everyone, but I am not joining a DF or alliance raid, nor anything else, just to supply someone with mana, I play, and pay my sub, to have fun, not to be a mana battery for one class. and as mentioned, this would mess up, not just make difficult, but actively interfere with any class that uses the mana to either dps or heal. and that has little to do with some inaccurate casual label. you cant tell me that some leet savage type is going to willingly give up dps so that the tank can heal themselves off their dime.

This is another case of someone thinking an idea is good and not thinking about the context of it ingame and how it will impact the gameplay of someone else.

Bad idea is bad, think more critically about your idea before proposing something.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'd be all for it. I love 'darker' jobs and thankfully Reaper is confirmation that more can and will be added over time.

It's been years since I played WoW, though I had a lot of fun running around as a Death Knight, Warlock and Demon Hunter.

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i agree, i remember back then when people were suggesting dark/void themed jobs everybody jumped up saying „but the lore!!!“
but here we are, reaper is going to be released in a few months and hopefully there is more coming down the road of that sort!

If you all believe this class idea is parasitic in nature… why not just hit the class with a ‘ limited’ class debuff? We have blue mage that is fun but is mostly side content. This could be a form of screw around for fun class that you have to build a party around. I legit would enjoy it even if it was capped.

SE did say they would add more of them did they not? That or rework my concept so that it does not need a mana drain as a optional lol ability.

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Originally Posted by AusarViled

If you all believe this class idea is parasitic in nature… why not just hit the class with a ‘ limited’ class debuff? We have blue mage that is fun but is mostly side content. This could be a form of screw around for fun class that you have to build a party around. I legit would enjoy it even if it was capped.

SE did say they would add more of them did they not? That or rework my concept so that it does not need a mana drain as a optional lol ability.

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Good luck finding a group for that unless you're a popular streamer.