Square Enix should hire Asmongold as an adviser

He probably would do it for free. They really need his help especially since he's a long-time MMO veteran and has great insight into MMO design. He can help Square Enix see any potential blind spots in their new systems.

Other people might flame you for this suggestion because of his reputation and his fans, but I agree with you. He's got kind of a Colbert Report thing going on. When he's just being Zach and not Asmongold, he's a fairly reasonable guy and I'm sure he'd love to be consulted. He's a new player but a veteran MMO player like you said, which gives him the perfect mix of experience to help SE improve the game for new players and veterans.

Why hire him when he does that every time he streams anyway? Just take his advice under consideration, the same way any other player's advice is taken into consideration.

Yea no.

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I think Square Enix are doing fine as they are… They have numerous professional & experienced employees.

We can’t deny Asmon contributed to the influx of players, but he should remain a streamer/entertainer.

As a hire, he'd be most useful as a prop in a marketing campaign directed specifically at the disillusioned WoW playerbase. His value lies mostly in being a bridge between WoW and FFXIV.

Why? When the game is doing fine, if anything his ideas would make things worse.

There is a reason gamers don't make good game designers.

Why should they hire a guy I never heard of to be an advisor on a game I play? If I haven't heard of them then they aren't important.

I like watching his FFXIV streams but I wouldn't go so far to say he would be a good choice for the game direction. I think we're in a good spot as it is now.

Blizzard should hire him instead and take his toxic fanbase back to WoW.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

He probably would do it for free. They really need his help especially since he's a long-time MMO veteran and has great insight into MMO design. He can help Square Enix see any potential blind spots in their new systems.

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Just....NO! Oh god NO!!

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Originally Posted by Skiros

He probably would do it for free. They really need his help especially since he's a long-time MMO veteran and has great insight into MMO design. He can help Square Enix see any potential blind spots in their new systems.

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No Dude...FFXIV has been around for quite a long time, and has been doing great and striving without Asmondgold.
Sure, him trying the game has made it more popular...but Asmondgold playing WoW for years does not make him a candidate for an Adviser.
YoshiP and the Devs...FFXIV in General has a very good track record of finding, and addressing issues with Haste. And they dont take nearly a year to do Every/Anything.

What ideas of his would make the game worse? Or are you guys just making baseless assumptions because you don't like him? I don't know about you but no one likes animation locks, it's not fun dying because of assassinate or DRG jumps.

Also his comment about actions not going off when you press them is valid, but because this is a JP game and JP players don't have to deal with slightly delayed input as much as us it gets ignored. Try playing MCH or SMN with low ping. I know server and connections issues are not simple to fix but they are nonetheless annoying to play with.

I'm glad my ping is good enough that can always fit 5 GCD during a burst CD while also double weaving, a lot of people cant. Other than that the guy has been VERY positive about the game, especially the story, but don't get upset at the guy when he wants his abilities to happen instantly like in other MMOs.

Edit: I'll just add this reddit post that sums up the issue way better than I could. https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscus...nimation_lock/
FF14 is the best current MMORPG, we want to be better. I can only imagine how this community would have reacted if Asmongold hated the game's story. What are this forums for anyway? For the people in their echo chambers just to get mad about troll posts? Stop getting offended by outsiders trying to improve how the game plays, no one is attacking the aesthetics, the story, or its community.

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Originally Posted by Annihilism

his comment about actions not going off when you press them is valid, but because this is a JP game and JP players don't have to deal with slightly delayed input as much as us it gets ignored. Try playing MCH or SMN with low ping. I know server and connections issues are not simple to fix but they are nonetheless annoying to play with.

I'm glad my ping is good enough that can always fit 5 GCD during a burst CD while also double weaving, a lot of people cant. Other than that the guy has been VERY positive about the game, especially the story, but don't get upset at the guy when he wants his abilities to happen instantly like in other MMOs.

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Do you honestly think this is something they could have fixed all along, but won't do it until a weird American who doesn't shower tells them to?

Glad he's enjoying the game, but, no.
He'll be back in wow soon anyways.

And why not hire Mr Happy for raid design, or EthysAsher for lore and world building development, or [insert streamer here] for whatever role.. because they aren’t qualified.

Just because they stream video games and talk like they know exactly what they are talking about doesn’t mean they have the actual knowledge base required to function as an advisor. And a key part of being an advisor is putting personal desires and wishes aside to do what’s best for the community at large and not just the section of the community that relates to their interests which none of them would do. They would never advise something they would hate to see in the game because the majority of people would love it. Which makes them bad advisors.

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

Glad he's enjoying the game, but, no.
He'll be back in wow soon anyways.

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More than likely he's sticking around. He will leave FFXIV for the next WoW expansion, but I just saw a stream clip on YouTube earlier today where he says he's not sticking with the next expansion longer than a month if Blizzard keeps doing the same stuff they've been doing for the past 5 years. Basically reactionary problem-solving, taking a year or more to address concerns that are brought up in the alpha/beta cycles of new expansions. And pretending the fixes constitute major patch features.

WoW has a special place in my heart as sort of my "childhood home" so I would like to see the game improve. I like it as much as I like FFXIV. But I can't deny the reality that it's been run into the ground by arrogant developers. I would like to hope that things change now that the leadership of the company has been replaced, but it seems unlikely just based on the company's history. The game director wasn't fired with the other people they got rid of. I would not be surprised if Asmongold makes FFXIV his main MMO within a year or two at the latest.

This same post, but with game name changed, was posted in the WoW forum.

OP is just trolling both games as a shill for asmondgold.

No. FFXIV is a different game than WoW.

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Originally Posted by DeafJohn

This same post, but with game name changed, was posted in the WoW forum.

OP is just trolling both games as a shill for asmondgold.

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This is one of those situations where the forum I feel could use some more aggressive moderation. Not so much as to doing bans or anything like that but forcefully merging all of this person's threads into 1 single thread every time one of his fans from his other game decide to follow him here and make another of these spam/solicitation posts. I call them solicitation because IMO they feel like they're just trying to get more people to watch the stuff he posts on social media.

Uh...FF14 direction is just fine.... we are fans and play for a reason. Don't need some random streamer to ruin the content we already like... doesn't make sense

By that logic they should hire ME as a consultant. I'm a longer time MMO veteran than him, have a lot of insight, and I actually make games.

I mean it wouldn't happen but I'm just saying

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Originally Posted by Skiros

He probably would do it for free. They really need his help especially since he's a long-time MMO veteran and has great insight into MMO design. He can help Square Enix see any potential blind spots in their new systems.

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For the japanese, it's probably nothing more than a streamer among others with subs.

For the ads on Twitch, they chose by the number of followers/subs not by the fact that he is a regular FFXIV player.

Many real and good FFXIV players were ignored.

Sorry for your disillusionment.
An advisor newbie, we've heard it all here...

In my opinion the best way to 'Sponsor' any streamer to advertise is by investing more money into making the game fun. If Square want to get Asmon to advertise the game more then all they need to do is add a couple new Chocobo Race Tracks.

Nah. Dude is a celebrity, nothing more.

I'd match him one-to-one on hours played in MMOs. In fact, I and many others have him beat, hands down, especially since we've been playing MMOs since the dude was eight years old. He has no 'special authority' other than that he's famous. (Checks how old Zack is. Yeah. I was right. Been playing games since before he was born, and been playing MMOs since he was - wow, look at that, I was very close - nine years old.)

If we are going to place someone in an advisory position, why not pick from the actual top players in this game? You know, people that have been around this game for ten years or so, and around gaming in general for thirty, forty years or even more. That's a smarter and more logical way to get a productive human onto an advisory board.

Again, he's just a celebrity. It doesn't qualify him for anything at all. No one here has any idea of how he behaves on a 'task force' or how he would work in an office environment, or actually how smart the dude is, his troubleshooting and problem solving skills, his creativity, etc. His sole qualification is that he played a crapton of WoW, broadcast it, and now plays a crapton of FF.

He's just the 2021 version of a talking head. That's it and that's all. In 1987, many of us were doing exactly what he is doing, except people didn't film and broadcast it back then. All we did is put our quarters up on the machine, say "next", and melt back into the crowd while watching someone destroy Space Harrier for an hour. Watching someone else play games is nothing special, nor is it remotely new. Only the broadcast element is new.

People kinda lose their head over celebrities and elevate them to places they don't belong. It's why we really care what famous actors and actresses have to say about socio-political issues ... as if they have any more expertise than the next person. It's definitely part of why we regularly elect them to major political office. It's utter insanity; we don't send Tom Cruise to rescue actual hostages or recover actual stolen property, now do we? Nah, that would be a bit over the crazy-line, even for us.

But a dude that plays video games for a living, absolutely, I am sure he knows his way around Unity or Godot or other game development tools that I won't even pretend to be aware of. I am sure Zack knows 'em tho. LMAO.

I've met many, many celebrities over the years (lived/worked in or near Hollywood most of my life) and let me tell you... they ain't any better than regular Joes and Janes that might walk through the door. In fact, quite often they are worse, due to the size of their heads and the fact that they think they're better than others.

Ain't saying Zack is like this; I don't know him so I couldn't say. I can say, though, that I've had many an illusion shattered by a celebrity I loved turning out to be an absolute douchebag. I certainly wouldn't 'recommend' any of them for a particular job or another without first actually knowing the person (outside of their job) so I could make a decent estimate of how good they are for the position. You can't possibly make that decision off of a celebrity's broadcast product.

Literally the easiest forum to bait rofl.

Now let's see what we have here.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Why should they hire a guy I never heard of to be an advisor on a game I play?

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Because he's more important to SE than you. Simple as that.

Even if they wanted to hire him, doubt they would want to match his current income, the guy makes something 1/2 mil a year from Twitch revenue alone.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

He probably would do it for free. They really need his help especially since he's a long-time MMO veteran and has great insight into MMO design. He can help Square Enix see any potential blind spots in their new systems.

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Hell no. He is not smart as it may look. He opinions are safe 8n the mid bs. He started to hate on blizzard when it started to get big to do so. He jumped to ff14 as it was the popular move to do. I don't say it's wrong just not that smart.

Lol what? You may forget but ff14 got good after the team was forced to play wow. And look at all the garbage games we get now as they made by people that never played any games,and it shows.

Even though I find the fellow amusing, no. What they should do is put out a survey at the end of each expansion asking the players how they rank different parts of the game, and if they would like more or less of some content. Also throwing in some question about certain features people on the forum have asked about to see if the general playerbase want it or not.
And to make people take the survey, throw them a mount or something like that and I am sure most would take it.

A question could be: Did you do the relic this expansion: yes/no, followed by If yes rank the parts of doing the relic, if no why not with some options and a write in.

the guy ragged on FFXIV for years as a weeb game filled with catgirls while playing a cartoon game filled with green people and gargantuan belt buckles, only came here to make money.

can he play an mmo, yes, so can most of us.

does that make him uber qualified to be an adviser? nope.

I know his fans think he can walk on water, cure the sick and bring back the dead, but he's not all that special

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Originally Posted by Canadane

There is a reason gamers don't make good game designers.

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Absolutely this!

And especially NOT Asmongold.

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Originally Posted by DeafJohn

This same post, but with game name changed, was posted in the WoW forum.

OP is just trolling both games as a shill for asmondgold.

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This^ troll is troll

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Originally Posted by Snorky

This^ troll is troll

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Couldn't agree more.

He played the same game for 15+ years, he's not experienced with anything outside of WoW.

So no.

Asmongold seems particularly awful about learning anything on his own time, too. He’s still asking ARR-tier questions, then gets frustrated when he doesn’t understand the answers chat gives him.

And he doesn’t seem to be looking them up again later, because he’ll ask them again.

An advisor would need to be willing to research answers that are readily available before forming a useful opinion, and I don’t think we’re there with Asmon just yet. Still perfectly fine to give feedback, with the understanding it might go straight to trash if he’s suggesting something that’s outside his very limited experience.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

There is a reason gamers don't make good game designers.

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It is not necessarily true. Jeff "Tigole" Kaplan was a hardcore Everquest player and was one of the most important designers of WoW vanilla and later he was the lead designer of Overwatch. His games were very successful.

Cheers

I have to say I'm very disappointed at the standards of troll threads lately, this one is a 2/10 at best. I remember the good old days when a troll would enrage a forum while making what to others looked like a legitimate post. It was subtle, it was clever, it took social skills to pull off. This is so obviously trolling It barely deserves be called trolling.

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Originally Posted by WoW

Literally the easiest forum to bait rofl.

Now let's see what we have here.



Because he's more important to SE than you. Simple as that.

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If you're deluded enough to think that then go ahead. He's only important if at all to his social media platform and nothing more and the extent of it is likely limited to just 1 region in the world while being completely non-existent outside that bubble. In the end he's just another consumer or player. Just because you want to place him on some kind of pedestal doesn't mean everyone else will too.